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And further, I am dispelling lies, so I should be most welcome.

This is the reason why I believe what I do. I am not a follower of "mainstream" christianity because it has serious flaws. One serious flaw is the trinity. There is something wrong when a preacher is kicked out of a place because he does not conform to the "norm". I equate myself to the prophets of old. As I have told people for a long time...just because it is a rule, it does not mean it is right. The trinity is a lie. And folks, we need to really understand where it came from. Do you celebrate Easter? Do you hide eggs for the children to find? Stop. But why? Because it is a pagan fertility ritual, after the "goddess" Ishtar. Do you believe in the trinity? Do you say that there are three in one? Stop. But why? Because it was introduced by those who were trying to get all people in all lands to get along, and stop war. We need to really do some serious research to understand why we believe what we do, (for me, I do not need to worry about that anymore). Lets reason together...

Then we need to take our children out of secular schools, and homeschool them. It is the only way to keep them away from this error.

I KNOW that evolution is a lie due to several things... First, we (as believers) have the problem with sin. "Evolution and the Bible most seriously conflict...(their respective views of death, which are central to each viewpoint). If evolution (or even just the concept of an old earth, with death and fossils predating man's sin) is correct, then death is natural, death is normal, death produced man. Most importantly, in this view, death is not the penalty for sin, for it preceded man and his sin. But if death is not the penalty for sin, then the death of Jesus Christ did not pay that penalty, nor did His resurrection from the dead provide eternal life.While belief in creation and the young earth may not be essential for salvation (many Christians wrongly believe and do many things the Bible teaches against), if evolution is right, if the earth is old, if fossils date from before man's sin, then Christianity is wrong! These ideas destroy the foundation for the Gospel and negate the work of Christ on the cross. Evolution and salvation are mutually exclusive concepts.Many times evolutionists understand this issue better than Christians. In his article, "The Meaning of Evolution," atheist G. Richard Bozarth claims that "Christianity has fought, still fights and will fight science to the desperate end over evolution, for evolution destroys utterly and finally the very reason Jesus' earthly life was supposedly made necessary. Destroy Adam and Eve and the original sin, and in the rubble you will find the sorry remains of the son of God. Take away the meaning of his death. If Jesus was not the redeemer who died for our sins, and this is what evolution means, then Christianity is nothing" (American Atheist, September 20, 1979, p. 30). Thus the issues of death and time reveal the utter incompatibility of evolution, in any form, with Christianity.But the story doesn't end there. The Bible reveals not only the origin of death, but how this issue will one day be resolved.There will come a time when this world, so marred by the effects of sin and death, including fossils and graveyards "shall melt with fervent heat, the earth and the works that are therein shall be burned up.... Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness" (II Peter 3:10,13)." Evolution and the Wages of Sin by John D. Morris, Ph.D. For us, the problem is death before sin. Secondly, we see that Almighty set patterns, symbols, types, shadows, and cycles to show us how things work in the universe. And last, it is not I who has a problem with evolution. Everyone has the right to believe whatever they want, so long as they keep their theory to themselves and do not teach my children. I have often wondered why the government has so much say over what my child is going to learn. Mother and I are the parents, who raised and nurtured. We are very well equipped to teach our children right from wrong, and 1 + 1 = 2. I also know quite a lot about science, and other subjects. A child is confused when introduced to an opposing belief system. That is why truth of YAH and the origins of man need to begin at home. Science is not at odds with the bible. People just need to understand the types, symbols, patterns, cycles, and shadows.

Thank you for your reply. I have replied to this in another post (I think) in this thread.

We are to believe that he gives us signs in heaven and earth to know what is going on around us. Halley's comet, and Israel. 1910 (HC), 1917, 1948, 1967, 1986 (HC), 2001, 2028, 2061 (HC). We are to believe that he does things in patterns, symbols, types, shadows, and cycles. 120 years, 70 years, 50 years, 40 years, 7 years, and more. Noah's flood = baptism. Moses and Israel and the sea of reeds = baptism. John the Immerser, and Yashua = baptism Ishmael = old covenant, Isaac = new covenant. Esau = old covenant, Jacob = new covenant. Moses = old, Joshua = new. Elijah = old, Elisha = new. John the Immerser = old, Yashua = new. We are to believe that he shows us things to come before they happen so we can know that he is doing them. "Behold, the former things have come to pass, Now I declare new things, before they spring forth I proclaim them to you." Isaiah 42:9 We are to love one another as he loved us to show the world that we are who we say we are. "...love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another, by this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another." John 13:35

Since "hell" is the grave, it is meaning that a person will be there eternally. Hades, means a place under the ground, where the dead are. Gehenna is the valley of Hennom in Jerusalem where they threw their trash to be burned.

The reason for 2068 is because of the 120 years from 1948. The issue is with signs in the heavens, and on earth. The sign on earth was Israel, 1948. The sign in heaven is Halley's comet, 2061. There are 7 years after this event, and 2068 is 120 years from the previous event. There are several times where 120 years has a very important meaning. The time of Noah and the flood of the earth for baptism, 120 years. The time of Moses. Egypt prince for 40 years. Shepherd for 40 years. Deliverer of Israel for 40 years. 120 years. The time of Saul 40 years, (was in "egypt", (bondage) with his sins, and hatred for David). The time of David, 40 years, (the shepherd). The time of Solomon, 40 years (The land had peace for 40 years). 120 years.

Having struggles and sinning are two different things. "...you be perfect even as I am perfect...". To say YAH gives a command that we can not follow is contradictory. We are asked to stop sinning and that is what baptism is for.

6000 - 3930 = 2070

Actually, baptism is very important. It shows that we have died to the old man. The ways of the old man. The sins of the old man. While a human lives, they are able to sin. Whenever they want. Once a person dies, they are no longer able to sin. It is impossible. They are buried, and in the grave. (Hades, hell, the grave.) Then they are resurrected WITHOUT sin. Then, they live to the almighty. All of their sins from their past life are gone. Now the life they live MUST reflect the spirit.

The "final" 7 years started in 63 A.D. and ended in 70 A.D. The next "final" 7 years will be 2061 and end 2068. One of the signs will be Halley's comet. It is going to usher in the final 7 years of this current age. This will occur in 2061. Everything YAHVAH does, is in cycles, patterns, types, symbols and shadows. The cycle began when Adam was 130 years old. This was 3930 B.C. Earth has 6000 years to work, and will rest the 7000th year. This starts in 2068. As believers, we need to remember that he works in cycles, patterns, types, symbols, and shadows.

I was that way, and I did what you did. For where we are at in this time, we need to be strong, and stand up for what we believe. I was in prison for 10 years, and was a lot like the worldly christian that we see today. Now I am doing things to change the minds of atheists, agnostics, and those who sit on the fence. We need to remember that it is the death, burial, and resurrection. That is the gospel. It is a full time job, and I am loving it. To those who are scientists, we need to show them these things where they are. For those who are atheists, we need to meet them where they are. We need to show the proof of the hope that is within us. For others on the fence, we need to show them why they need to get it together.

Death to the old man, burial of the body that no longer sins, and resurrection to life of the new man who is washed of his past. Once we rise out of that water, we are a new creation. We have put ourselves IN the anointing, into salvation, into the kingdom. "The kingdom of YAH does not come with observation, (things you can see) the kingdom of YAH is within you." In your heart, and mind. "You be transformed, by renewing your mind." Al things must be cleansed.

The good news is that YAHVAH, "...loved the world, that He gave (handed over) His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish (be lost), but have eternal life (a quickened spirit). "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him" It is the death, burial, resurrection.

The Hebrew people used the greek Septuagint, to convert their brothers. Though they gave their children Hebrew names. Since "Jesus" is only a letter translation, it loses its meaning. Both Yosef, (Joseph) and Miriam, (Mary) were from the tribe of Judah, and gave him a Hebrew name. The Hebrew people who hated that the "christians" were using Psalm 39 (40) "a body you have prepared for me" decided to change the text. After time, it was "you have pierced my ear". This Psalm is quoted in Hebrews 10, and is from the Septuagint. The Hebrew is Yashua, and means YAH is salvation. Jesus actually has no meaning. Names in Hebrew did mean something, but not the greek to english letter translation.

Good grief... You know what, since you cant see your error, I will show it to you. A way to distract from the issue is to bring up an issue inside an issue that is not ORIGINALLY part of the argument. This was Morning Glory. And why did she say this? Because I said this... "Preaching is standing and giving something to a group of people without anything in return. That is why I like teaching. Because it is interactive, and the student asks questions, and there is a genuine respect derived from that." And this... "What I wrote was a snippet of the whole meaning. Just making it known that I would rather teach, than preach. That is all.I love input, questions, and debate even." Now, was I teaching my "opinion" as she said? Kerux = Preacher = "One who discourses publicly on religious subjects." Didaskalos = Teacher = " An instructor; a preceptor; a tutor" 1828 Noah Webster Dictionary Preaching is proclaiming, heralding and announcing news to people – the gospel – especially (but not exclusively) to those who haven’t heard it before. Teaching is explaining things about the gospel that people don’t understand, and instructing them on how to live in light of it. Preaching Example... “Hear ye! Hear ye! The Emperor has declared an amnesty to all slaves!” Teaching Example... explaining the implications of the news, helping people with concepts and ideas they don’t understand, and telling people what they need to do in response, given their various situations. Andrew Wilson, elder at Kings Church in Eastbourn. The problem with that is it WAS a personal attack. How do I know? A personal attack is committed when a person substitutes abusive remarks for evidence when attacking another person's claim or claims. This line of "reasoning" is fallacious because the attack is directed at the person making the claim and not the claim itself. Was what Morning Glory said "abusive"? Defamation can take one of two forms: slander or libel. Slander covers oral defamatory statements while libel addresses the written version. Defamation is an abusive attack on a person's character or good name. Now, was what she said abuse of character? Saying that something is my opinion is not abusing my character. Did she attack my integrity? No. Was what you said a personal attack/abusive? YES! You dont just say I am biased, you attack my integrity. "To say there has never been a time bias has bent the information one brings reveals a very deep error in judgment about your own self and your own limitations and your own bias about yourself. When one is blind to their own biases, then it is a fairly sure given what they are bringing to the table is indeed bent by their biases. I can only hope and pray that you come to understand the folly of such a position and strive to remove this blindness to your own biases and assumptions." That is uncalled for. In earlier posts, I have said that you lack a fundamental understanding of the MEANING of the Old Testament, because you are not able to show proof against my arguments, (ie. sin, baptism, the trinity, and on and on). That is not abusive in that I attacked your integrity, but your UNDERSTANDING of what something means. If you were to have said that I do not understand something, I would see my error and change my mind, or look for proof that sustains my belief. I wouldnt be happy about it, but at least you wouldnt be attacking me PERSONALLY. You say that my judgement is in error, and my motives are in error, just like another person here. That is disrespectful, defamation of character, libel. I am asking you to stop calling my INTEGRITY into question, because I know where my heart is! You need to be held accountable for your words here in this forum...

You do know what I am saying... I was talking about teaching the doctrines of men. That is why we have over 1000 denominations. Preachers are required to be accountable to Yashua, because he is a representative of truth. The topic, "Looking to become a preacher" is exactly what I am saying, and hold to these same truths. I ask you to be mindful of how you reply. This is a personal attack to my integrity, and could be seen as libel.

Again, it is interesting to see that you skip over the entire post, copy the piece where I am defending myself, just to attack my integrity. If anything is HIGHLY revealing... Do you ever just say to yourself, "you know what, Im going to respond to the post, and not attack this individual personally."?

That is what I said, they listened to Paul because they were more mentally mature than those in Thessolonica. Just because I didnt say "more than those in Thessolonica" does not mean I didnt compare the two. The inference should have been obvious. Yeah, one must never do that...

The word of YAHVAH says they were more noble because they searched the scriptures to see if Paul was correct in his teaching. They were more mature. They were eager to learn. Social standing aside, rank in office aside, this is about mental maturity. Barnes, Poole, and Henry all show that it was of education, not breed. (And of course my mother was a horse handler and bred Arabians for a living. The "better bred" is not an argument seeing that the word is talking about mindset, not "nobility".) Maybe the definition of "open mindedness" differs between you and me, but as of today, we see that to be open minded is to allow false teaching to edge its way into our belief system. I find it interesting that we are off on a rabbit trail... Lets get back on topic.

Acts 17:11 "The brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so. Therefore many of them believed..." Noble-minded (KJV noble) = having or characteristic of an honorable, upright, and superior mind. Eagerness (KJV readiness of mind) = enthusiasm to do or to have something Noble mindedness does not mean to be open minded. But why with "eagerness"? This is saying that the people there were honorable and righteous more so than others in the area. And didnt believe or disbelieve on a whim. But why? Berea (Veria) is only about 45 to 50 miles, depending as shown on Google maps, from Thessaloniki. Since the apostles were already in the area, it is obvious that the word of Yashua was spreading. They must have heard about these men who "turned the world upside down" before they even got there. "These that have turned the world upside down are come here also..." But how did they know they had turned the world upside down? Roughly from Aleppo, Syria to Veria, Greece, there are 1,120 miles. Paul stayed in cities for several weeks teaching while other disciples went elsewhere. To say that "the word of God" was limited to those places they preached, is to say that people were not mobile back then. Gossip is what gossip is, and sometimes, (unfortunately) it runs faster (horseback, boat, chariot) than the truth. This "are come here also" was just a few verses before. If the men in that city (Thessolonica) said the word "also" then that means they knew about it beforehand. This is the reason the Bereans "...received the word with great eagerness..." They wanted to know if what these men, who turned the world upside down, were saying was true. They gave them an audience and listened. And THEN searched the scriptures. Paul was in Thessolonica for three weeks before being sent to Berea. "...they came to Thessalonica, where there was a Jewish synagogue. As was his custom, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures." That was plenty of time for those in Berea to know about Paul, and the "gospel". But even there Paul got sent out because of the men from Thessolonica. "But when the Jews in Thessalonica learned that Paul was preaching the word of God at Berea, some of them went there too, agitating the crowds and stirring them up."

No... You lack a fundamental understanding of the MEANING of the Old Testament. Just stop and be a Berean. It is not hard to go search these things out to see if they are true. That is my challenge to all here...

You are pushing this well beyond what is said and meant. A preacher is subject to these things said in Timothy, and it is by no means restricted to deacons and overseers. While well thought out, your response was intended to "teach me a lesson" in which you, (along with others), think, or believe, I am ignorant. Since many christians are ignorant when it comes to old testament/new testament ties, symbols, types, shadows, and patterns, and cycles, they compensate with word studies. While this is great, they forget that cycles and patterns are more important than succumbing to legalism.

To whom is that directed?