natasha

35 minutes ago, TheMatrixHasU71 said:

Yes to all of that but that wasn't my point, sister. I was making a comment about how God supernaturally protected Paul from death from the lashings when Jesus, who, Yes, willingly GAVE His life, nearly died from blood loss from the lashes alone, never mind being crucified.

well, I did not read the entire thread so missed that

anyway, I don't know if Jesus almost died from blood loss alone...but apparently that was not God's plan...apparently He gave His life

thanks

3 minutes ago, TheMatrixHasU71 said:

You know regarding the 195 lashes.....Jesus only received 40 and nearly died just from that alone. Its the reason why He died so quickly when others usually could last for days on the cross.

It was very common for people to be torn to pieces by the lead tipped cat o nine tails.

Truly it was the Lord's doing that Paul could survive all that

I am under the impression that Jesus actually gave up His life?

when He said 'it is finished'...bowed His head and died

OT prophecy states none of His bones were broken..as per the 2 thieves who were not dead and had their bones broken, but when they came to Jesus He was already dead

I think it is important to make note that He gave up His life...not that He died because of the 40 lashes

what do you think regarding this?

thanks

13 hours ago, GoldenEagle said:

Natasha the authors I don't think are teaching that boundaries are about controlling everyone else's space. I think either you didn't get the gist of the book or this is a typo. 

"Boundaries define us. They define what is me and what is not me. A boundary shows me where I end and someone else begins, leading me to a sense of ownership.

...

In addition to showing what we are responsible for, boundaries help us to define what is not on our property and what we are not responsible for. We are not, for example, responsible for other people. Nowhere are we commanded to have 'other-control' although we spend a lot of time and energy trying to get it!" Boundaries, Page 31-32

Boundaries are about self-control. Not at all about controlling others. Boundaries say "these are my limits, if you want to be a part of my life then great." 

As an example one friend said that when he was younger he dated several women at a time. When he met his wife she said that he was free to date around but if he wanted to date her she only dated one person at a time. She expected the person she was dating to only date her. If he wanted to date her he would have to respect that boundary. She was not setting limits on him. She was letting him know what were her expectations and was inviting him to get to know her better with those boundaries in mind. They have been married for over 3 decades now.  

What do you think?

God bless,

GE

not sure where you got those ideas from

maybe too much analysis of what I wrote

I have a good grip on what the book says...apart from all the University psych classes I took

you have misunderstood what I wrote

perhaps it's the lag time...I have noticed threads in this forum really move sloooooow

15 hours ago, RobertS said:

Precisely: God establishes boundaries in Scripture, and in following the Lord we recognize that there are indeed boundaries and that the establishment of them is necessary for humanity. The word "transgression" IMO is the violation of boundaries, as the idea is that a boundary or line has been crossed and when committed, the one crossing the boundary is now in an area spiritually, physically or otherwise that they should not be.

I really like what you said here and agree with regards to the word transgression

just remembered what God said to the Israelites about not moving boundary stones...physical application with a spiritual overtone

22 hours ago, Yowm said:

I had a pastor many years ago that had done lot's of marriage counselling and he'd find that many married ones wanted to be single and many singles wanted to get married...go figure.

haha

I heard a bad joke about that

marriage is like flies on a screen door...the ones on the outside want to get in and the ones on the inside want to get out!  

On 9/2/2016 at 5:59 PM, GoldenEagle said:

Hi Natasha! No worries. Seems like this has been a hot issue in the last few days.

I totally agree with you about searching through the draws of other people is crossing the boundary of personal space. This is a physical boundary I described in this post.

"God told me to tell you" and "God is not pleased with you so you need to repent" are examples of others trying to be the Holy Spirit in our lives. This is a spiritual boundary. Every Believer has access to God through the Holy Spirit.

How do you think people control others? Have you ever personally tried to control or have others tried to control you by overstepping your boundaries? How did you react?

How do people disrespect your choices or have they tried to override them?

God bless,
GE

Have I or do I try to control others?  frankly I think everyone does that to different extents

short answer:  I would not have bought the book if I thought I did LOL!

I think we probably all try to control the space around ourselves..boundaries, the book, is about controlling everyone elses' space

people control through intimidation, manipulation and downright in your face threats, anger, sometimes physical abuse, emotional and so on

we probably all have experienced some of that to one degree or another

On 8/31/2016 at 8:01 PM, GoldenEagle said:

 Hiya Natasha! ?

 Can you give an example of how her family member was not respecting boundaries? 

 Why do you think the book is not for everyone? 

Why do you think some people believe the boundaries are selfish?

 God bless, GE

I'm not on alot, so sorry about the time lag for response.

Searching through the drawers of other people, looking through belongings for something to gain information, saying things that are controlling like "God told me to tell you" or 'God is not pleased with you.  You need to repent"  Disrespecting the choices made and overiding them...anything that exerts control.  You should not be controlling other people

Well I would say the book is for everyone in my opinion, but it's not for people who like to control unless they desire to stop what they are doing

Boundaries are normal...even God gives us free choice...when someone crosses the line, they can even take the place of God in a person's life by controlling and disapproving things all supposedly because it would not please God when in truth, it does not suit the purposes of the person doing the controlling

I have that book.  Have not read it from cover to cover and bought it because a family member has no boundaries lol!

I think it is a really good book but maybe not for everyone.

and no, boundaries are not selfish!

sorry  was just getting interesting for me

Getting pretty bold to name a show after himself IMO

Won't be watching it

Just now, thereselittleflower said:

And so I am wondering if you are deliberately trying to confuse issues?

 

no

in fact, I am no longer confused about the posts

thanks

1 minute ago, thereselittleflower said:

oh my gosh . . . <facepalm>

How did you turn a question I asked RevelationWriter into something about what I believe?

 

 

Because it's the question and answer forum?  and I ask if I am not sure? 

1 minute ago, RevelationWriter said:

 

Me too, cause angles have a point.

lol!  

5 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said:

How can Jesus be God if God did not become Jesus?

 

 

you don't believe Jesus is God?  so you don't believe in the Trinity?

so what do you believe...pardon me if I am overstepping..just trying to get to know people here

thanks!

17 minutes ago, RevelationWriter said:

Yes, my thoughts as well.

Quote

Like there is a disconnect between what we believe or even see or experience.  I know I can be that way 

To be clear. the second post is mine...no really!

for example, when a person in scripture says..'I believe...help my unbelief' that could be me, but at the same time I totally believe

The example of the Israelites being led in the wilderness is so often used as a kind of 'don't be like them' example..but I think we..me...are

I might be getting philosophical  now, but I like to look at things from different angles

well glad that's cleared up

num...I am really get confused here

would you mind resaying what you said?  if you want to continue that is

1 minute ago, thereselittleflower said:

I think that someone who denies Jesus is God and questions everything about christianity needs to go back to square one and is a very confused person.

 

 

I think you are saying something I don't know anything about?  sorry?

I certainly don't reject Jesus is God...so ?

Just now, thereselittleflower said:

 

Yes, because the Old Testament is full of types and shadows of Christ and so He would use them to show how they pointed to Him.    

However, if all we had was the Old Testament, then all we would have are the types and shadows, and we could never fully enter the light, we would still be living in the types and shadows.

 

 

 

ummm  did you read what revelationwriter wrote above?

what are your thoughts on that?

see, for me, my question is open ended.  I don't think I can know for sure?

open for discussion by all means though 

43 minutes ago, RevelationWriter said:

- I understand your point. But, it wasn't all they had.

They actually had the presence of God in His Temple in Jerusalem.

They actually had The Prophets Of God.

And they actually had Jesus The Word Of God that became flesh and dwelt among them.

Then they actually had God's Holy Spirit. Still they weren't perfect.

They said and did things in ways that prove they didn't understand what God's will was in situations.

 

well sure.  look at my post above where I answered thereselittleflower

I agree they lacked understanding...no different nowadays though I would think.  We still don't really 'get it' on our own.  Like there is a disconnect between what we believe or even see or experience.  I know I can be that way 

3 hours ago, thereselittleflower said:

If that's all we had, then we would be stuck in shadows and types, and ever see the reality which cast those shadows, and which fulfilled the types.  We would be living in the shadows instead of the light.

 

 

well I guess I can 'see' that.  however, what scriptures did Jesus expound upon after His resurrection when walking with the disciples (who didn't recognize Him at first)

I'm just musing here.  Jesus explained about Himself according to prophecy in the OT the passage states.  I think the Holy Spirit has to make things 'real' to us no matter which testament we are reading or studying in

Anyway, here is the passage I was thinking of from Luke 24

¹⁹ “What things?” he asked.

“About Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people. ²⁰ The chief priests and our rulers handed him over to be sentenced to death, and they crucified him; ²¹ but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel. And what is more, it is the third day since all this took place. ²² In addition, some of our women amazed us. They went to the tomb early this morning ²³ but didn’t find his body. They came and told us that they had seen a vision of angels, who said he was alive. ²⁴ Then some of our companions went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said, but they did not see Jesus.”

²⁵ He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! ²⁶ Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?” ²⁷ And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.

Whaaaaaa?  

pretty sure I won't be the only one responding that way lol!

very confusededed

51 minutes ago, RevelationWriter said:

I have a question about a quote of Paul's that I can't find in the O.T.

And it is this: Where did God say. . . 

"Behold, I Lay In Zion A Stumbling Stone And A Rock Of Offense and Who Ever Believes On Him Will Not Be Put To Shame." - Rom.9:33

Thanks -

Hi Revelation

I guess Paul et al would be quoting often from the OT (as thereselittleflower above provided the quote for)

Sometimes I wonder what it would have been like to have only the OT scriptures to read or draw conclusions from 

On 1/20/2016 at 8:50 PM, Brittany said:

I mean, if someone really wanted to change but had trouble doing so. If they were trying, but then they kept failing because they didn't have enough willpower to resist worldly temptations, do you think that if they were baptized, they would have enough incentive to obey God's word better?

a bit of a difficult question to answer I think

I understand water baptism to be an affirmation of faith in Christ and a desire to follow Him BUT it is also a metaphor for being buried with Him and having your life now in Him, so I'm really not ready to say it will give someone incentive to change

I guess I'm saying that I do not think water baptism has the 'power' to change someone?

I might also think however, looking on the other side of the coin so to speak, that a person could possibly think a little more of what they are doing before giving in to sin, if they took baptism seriously, that is as a desire to commit not to sin?

16 minutes ago, other one said:

Well, I can only speak for myself about the question concerning the God that I know.....      you have been here for what.....   two weeks...    I've been here for going on 13 years and have seen many many people come and go......    and not all of those people have the same idea of what God is and what he can and will do....     So it's just a phrase I picked up over the years....   you will understand if you are here for a long time.

add to that that I really wasn't being all that serious in the first place.

OK..that makes sense

I didn't think it all that serious either, hence the smilies