LeavesSeeds

The TITLE of this thread is WHY don't Jews accept Jesus as Messiah & Son of God ? As pointed out by several posters, WHY is because 'christendom' has from the early centuries DEPARTED from JESUS and from Scripture and the Jews have no reason to turn to Jesus if all they know is what 'christendom' has done and taught.

Okay, let's deal with this question below: (explain your claims later when you have time, if you can) (1) Answer: Jews should repent to be saved.

Good Point. (Except the TITLE / OP is COLLECTIVE) So, to improve - BE SPECIFIC. What did ANY JEW tell you in person why they rejected (or accepted) JESUS MESSIAH ?

Who are you talking to ? If a Jew rejects Jesus because of what someone else does , NOT EVEN THAT JEW can blame that person. They are still held accountable by the JUDGE. CLAIM (0) So, where did ANYONE say ANYONE need not repent ? I thought it was OBVIOUS EVERYONE needs to repent. (1) So, where or why do you think ANYONE BLAMED ANYONE in this thread ? (quote it if you can - maybe I missed it IF it's there).... ??? Did JESUS say we(or ANYONE) could blame those who deceive us , instead of repenting, so on judgment day we are not held responsible ?? (2) So also, DID ANYONE encourage ANYONE that they are keeping the law ? (quote it if you can - again I think you must have someone else in mind) (3) So also, DID ANYONE say that ANYONE can escape GOD's PUNISHMENT ? (quote it if you can ) Take your time backing up your CLAIMS if you can, but don't make more CLAIMS without substance please- it just confuses the thread. You made several CLAIMS noted , AS IF from this thread....... I think they are all made up , but go ahead and quote the posts you got them from if you can.

You totally ignored the question in line with the TOPIC of YOUR THREAD: What reason did ANY JEW or GENTILE EVER GIVE TO YOU , to not turn to JESUS ? Ever ? (IN PERSON). Why ? Does your religion reject it ?

Your seem to have missed or to be denying most of this thread now, and most of history. No worries. How about TODAY --- Do you desire that Jews and gentiles BE SAVED ? Or that they stay condemned for their sin ? I would that they all be saved. As many as God shall call and chose for Himself, Redeeming them by Jesus Blood and Sanctifying them for His OWN PURPOSE.

So, are you saying that the sins of the Jews before them, justifies the sins of the gentiles against the Jews ?

((Did they really tell you that ? )) Anyone ?

So then, ? In your own words.....

So why bring it up ? Show me anyone besides you who brought up the evil that the unbelieving Jews did . I didn't see anyone except you bring it up, and no one denied it nor tried to defend it, did they ? Persecution of JESUS, and of the followers of JESUS, is DOCUMENTED IN THE NT. Very clearly. JESUS stated it is necessary. Denying the evil and the deception done by and in society , Jew and gentile both, helps no one, sets no one free. The truth is what sets people free. The truth, as God permits and reveals all to His children. By Grace we Pray we can Accept the Truth . Learn from God. BE Truly Free.

What would vice versa even be ? The division has been around a long long time, and it will remain until Jesus returns. >> "The Walls of Walls Protecting the Icon Over the centuries Jews have rejected several messianic pretenders. But their self-defining corporate rejection of Jesus and the New Testament is different. They can't leave him in the past as they did, say, Shabbetai Zvi. Their response is partly due to Christianity itself: (1) to what the Roman Catholic Church has done to them in Jesus' name, and (2) to the deJudaizing and paganizing forces within all branches of Christianity—which exist to this day. No one can rewrite the terrible volume of Christianity's history. That wall will always remain; though it's not impenetrable (as many Jews can attest). But the Paganization Barrier could come down immediately if Christians decided to demolish it and return to authentic New Testament "Olive Tree" faith (Romans 11)." From Hebrew Streams

Jesus said anyone who is His, born of God, God's child, IS HATED by all the world. Jew and gentile alike. (i.e. "hate speech" is expected, normal, every day, against Jesus followers, in every country, in every society, in every group , religious or other doesn't matter) Thankfully, our kingdom is His kingdom , and is not of this world , but is perfect and complete, lacking nothing, with joy and peace and righteousness and eternal life TODAY for all who are in Him, for everyone who has the Son.

Yes, very good and thank God for your testimony, and Many who have gotten saved and seen the light and had the veil removed are correct. You, me, shiloh, wurmbrand and thousands of others. (maybe even hundreds of thousands, or even millions..... GOD KNOWS! YEAH! )

Why did you ask ? Did you know already ? Did you find out ? (1) Why search for faith ? No reason. (Did you search for faith ? ) . (2) No one has an excuse for their sin, Jew or gentile. (do you have an excuse you've used in the past ? )

Only from what's been in the news : what about that superior race that still carry on with the same principles as the nazis did/ do . ? They believe they are right, they believe they are christian, for the same reason they believed it during wwii and more since then ? Therefore, they refuse to repent, yet they still truly believe they are christian, same as h**ler, and the churches that actively supported him.

Yes, thank you. Richard Wurmbrand, a Jew who was saved in spite of christendom, pointed that out very clearly.

So? What reason did they use ?

Because the worse is bigger, fatter, more popular, more prevalent, and more associated with Jesus than the truth is. A lot of gentiles, not just Jews, reject christianity for very similar reasons, in many countries.

Corrupt pharisees never prevented everyone from being saved anyway. Even in spite of the corrupt Jewish leadership, some were saved. Corrupt gentiles never prevented everyone from being saved anyway, either. Even in spite of corrupt christian leadership, some were saved. But those who chose not to call on Jesus, may use anything as an excuse/ reason/ not to be saved - to not call on the ONLY ONE who can save them. That's what people here do today.

Even if someone's family and town were wiped out by Christians (as many were), and they are the only survivor, it doesn't matter if they call it a reason or an excuse - it is both - and doesn't matter on judgment day - they remain condemned unless they get saved. Remember some were saved under the same or even worse conditions, and they endured to the end. No reason and no excuse for not believing works on judgment day- God provided Salvation in Jesus no matter what a person and their family and people have gone through, potentially. He just won't MAKE someone believe or call on Him.

Twice.

That's what I just said.

You missed the point Shiloh. I agree with you about this. Many Jews and gentiles reject Jesus because of what the false christians / christendom looks like to them - sometimes, when they see the true Christians, their minds are opened and God grants them repentance (not the false christians nor christendom, but those watching so-called christians/christendom). When anyone rejects Jesus, they are remaining blinded by the enemy, and will use any excuse, including as you've noted what "christian" leaders have done to others.

That's just one of the many different reasons/ excuses they use. When they reject Jesus, any excuse works.

The african americans and others like them / similar situations / were gentiles without Torah. They did not see nor have any common way to compare what others brought to them to see if it was or is true. The Jews have Torah, and could and did compare - and rejected that which was opposed to God's Word, and rightly so.