StanJ

I didn't say anything I said the concept of hate and just because you don't know who the owner of Theopedia is doesn't make it an invalid site. Do you know who the owner of Wikipedia is?

impassive is not the same as impassible and if this is the way you study then no wonder you don't get answers.

In the context I was replying to, God is qualifying sin by saying he hates it or he abhors it or whatever other negative language is used there and I believe it is simple hyperbole that is being used and not something to actually describe God's true feelings. You have to understand the concept of impassibility and then use it to filter the word of God through.

Oh I see, double standards and all that... well I can't really argue with that rational. Introducing more scripture when you haven't dealt with the scripture I have already given you is just avoidance. Like I before, if you're going to take hyperbolic language and read it literally then you're never going to understand God's word. Do you really think Jesus meant for us to hate our family?

Doubtful, but inevitable in this type of environment.

This is hyperbolic language, not literal.

you should look up the meaning of the word impassible. You may be able to love but God is love so how exactly can you relate rationally to the difference? http://www.theopedia.com/Impassibility_of_God

http://www.toughquestionsanswered.org/2009/05/25/does-god-really-hate-esau/ http://www.mercifultruth.com/doesgodhate.html http://jesusalive.cc/ques33.htm

from experience, I think it is incumbent on the couple to seek after God in their personal relationship with him first. Then they can work on the marriage.

because you're the one making it a personal issue now and as I said in my last post I have no desire to continue this with you for the very reason you just brought up now. My experience has always been that moderators have a hard time debating without resorting to threats. as far as the translation is concerned I would suggest you actually look into it and STUDY it, to see what I'm trying to convey.

how do you fight battles on the spiritual level?

don't be surprised if your poll gets hijacked either.

I really have no idea who is more likely to be abusive but I did know a young couple, years ago, where the wife was totally condescending and abusive to her husband and they didn't last long.

I'm afraid you're getting a little too paranoid and if you want to believe that the God of Love can hate, then that's totally up to you... just ignore what I have to say.

the husband is the head of the wife but being in headship does not make one responsible for the actions of the wife if the head is exercising their duties properly. all people have free will and will choose to do what they want to do, just as people sin even though God exercises his headship perfectly.

so now you're calling me a false teacher and a Jedi master? Yeah that's not too personal aye?

Then I would have to say that your responses are influenced by your conservatism. The Bible says many things and I'm sure if I were to challenge you on some of the things that the Bible says you would come up with some excuse why it doesn't mean what it says. To the modern church, "all" does not mean "all." As a matter of fact, "all" in many evangelical churches means " some" or "very few." This doesn't change the reality of who God really is in the Bible no more than trying to properly understand how hate really relates to the God of the Bible

again, in my opinion, God is impassible and as such doesn't have what we humans know it's feelings. When God decrees that something is not acceptable, that's it. Do you really believe that God has to qualify His assessment of attitudes that are not acceptable?

sadly that is the nature of people who equivocate, they will never really get down to the nitty-gritty of what they mean or are trying to say. Matthew 5:37 you mean like the list you provided when you did the same thing? I'm sorry I'm not willing to continue playing this game with you.

I quote scholars, whether or not you agree with them and want to label them as liberal is your issue. IMO, a lot of Christians need to be liberated from the bondage of their own beliefs. Well that would be your opinion and thankfully truth is not dependent on opinion. According to you God has double standards, he can hate but he tells us not to hate. Who I am or am not convincing, remains to be seen, unless of course you consider yourself God and know all? Again opinion does not negate fact, nor does being contrary. The only person that I find insulting anyone here is you.

you seem to be changing your story as you go along? if you had been to that website before then maybe you should have articulated that and your reason why you didn't accept the validity of the article and not just discounted it because the person is not well known to you. As far as being personal is concerned that would be in the eye of the beholder, but let me just tell you that some of your comments have sounded just as personal as you deem this one to be. No use repeating myself. yes what I believe and have observed the nature of God to be.

you indeed rejected it based on your finding that it was some website you had never heard of before rather than reading the explanation and using your god-given reasoning to understand it. it's not an assumption it's a conclusion based on how you've presented your views on this issue so far. well I guess the fact is you have to first deal with the idea of the impassibility of God and whether or not you accept or reject that. What I said was 'opposed' is heading in the right direction rather than to hate, which does not identify a God who IS love.

no it was about the proper understanding of abomination but like I said, sadly you focus on a typical right-wing Christian attitude about homosexuality rather than understanding what Abomination really means.

it is an attempt to quantify a word that has been misused since it first appeared in the King James version of the Bible. I don't have a problem putting into perspective who God actually is and not what certain translations have made him out to be. Does anybody really think that God has degrees of sin and that the concept of mortal and venial sins from the Catholic Church is a tenable one. The issue is not whether almost homosexuality is acceptable, because the Bible clearly shows it is not, the issue is whether or not we probably understand 'abomination' in the context of scripture. I'm amazed at how everyone on this thread so far avoids the fact that scripture says God is love and are willing to accept that a God that is love, can hate. We were made in God's image but that doesn't mean that he is like us. Does anybody really believe that Luke 14:26 is to be taken literally?

I would say God feels about these sins the same way he feels about ANY sin, that it is not acceptable.