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20 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Dennis,

Glad we are discussing and are tuned into what`s happening and not lost in the ancient empires view. So...you are thinking, why are the inner ring of Islamic nations not a part of the Gog/Magog war. Well remember that kingdom, is divided - Sunni / Shi-ites. And which ones do God say are with the Russian Federation - Persia, (Iran) Ethiopia & Libya. All these are Shi-ites and friendly with Russia. Even now we see Russia & Iran on the very border of Israel. But we know God will have His timing.

Also remember that the coming Peace Negotiator will NOT come in by war, but peaceably. He will rise to power by intrigue and cunning. This is what I believe & was taught over 40 years ago. Amazing that these teachers had such insight into God`s word and now I/we are seeing it come about. I was told to watch `Syria, Iraq & Jordan, back in the `60`s and who has come on beam? those nations. Amazing.

I don`t get involved with all the hoop-la out there in the world or follow any latest revelations, but keep focussing where the action is - Iraq & Syria & also Jordan. It is these 3 that will come together under the peace negotiator as his power base in the near future.

regards, Marilyn. 

That sort of makes sense. Best estimates I hear is 90% of Muslim's are Sunni, and the remaining Shi-ites. I know what you mean, I still have my C. I. Scofield Bible I purchased back about 1975 and the notes and insight are amazing.

On 10/30/2017 at 8:12 PM, Marilyn C said:

Hi mabel,

I believe it is. That is what I see in God`s word, & was taught by teachers back in the `60`s. So it is not some new fangled theory. Anyway we are seeing God`s word played out before us.

The most difficult thing is that everyday life goes on and we are tricked by that. Somehow we think we should see the world falling apart and someone standing up controlling everyone. But that is fantasy. The vultures are gathering up north of Israel, as we can see & the Peace Negotiator will come in with charisma and deception.

God`s clock is ticking.......Marilyn.

I also suspect he will be a great articulate orator and a master of public speaking. Might be comparable to Adolph Hitler but better? 

On 10/30/2017 at 8:12 PM, Marilyn C said:

Hi mabel,

I believe it is. That is what I see in God`s word, & was taught by teachers back in the `60`s. So it is not some new fangled theory. Anyway we are seeing God`s word played out before us.

The most difficult thing is that everyday life goes on and we are tricked by that. Somehow we think we should see the world falling apart and someone standing up controlling everyone. But that is fantasy. The vultures are gathering up north of Israel, as we can see & the Peace Negotiator will come in with charisma and deception.

God`s clock is ticking.......Marilyn.

That's a good point about the carrion fowl. I've been wondering how, when and where these animals were going to collect in anticipation of their feast. Would you have a source about them gathering and anyone who is observing this? I would suspect there will be a whole bunch of vultures and carrion eaters that will be gathered maybe ahead of time in anticipation. It's worth keeping an eye on anyway.

On 11/7/2017 at 10:15 PM, Marilyn C said:

Hi Dennis,

Thank you for your thoughts. I like your description of the inner & outer ring of Islam. Now as to Ps. 83 I believe it has already happened. Will not discuss it here but perhaps on a thread in the eschatology section where we all can have input.

That is a good point concerning the food, as per Russia. So true.

Then when I saw you mention `hair cuts` do you know that when the next GFC (Global Financial Crisis) comes then banks will give `hair cuts` to those with over `$ 100,000` in their account. Banks believe that the money we put in their trust, is us investing in their business, and if they are in trouble, well...we have to help out!

regards, Marilyn.

I see one teeny weenie problem with your view Marilyn and I'm not arguing, just discussing. The Lord is very specific about all the nations and people are that come with Gog / Magog, wouldn't you agree? 

All of Islam 'hates' Israel, and some of them that hate Israel the most are; the PLO, Hamas, the Palestinian Refugees, Hezbollah, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and residents of Gaza. Saudi Arabia sets this one out and asks, "are you coming to take a spoil". 

So, how do we explain where these 'inner ring' nations and people are, and why are they not a part of the Gog / Magog war? My best guess is they were previously defeated.

Whatcha think??

Hi Marilyn,

Nice job, lot's of good information, thank you. I'd like to add my view as it is currently unfolding and may or may not actually happen, but it's my scriptural view of prophecy [so far].

First, I don't think Islam will by any means play a part in the seven year tribulation, at least the last 3-1/2 years of God's wrath, the Great Tribulation. Like I mentioned recently in a thread, our vision is becoming more clear, like the skin of an onion being peeled from cataracts on our eyes, and Daniel 12: 4 is becoming visible. I'm going to be very brief in my personal assessment on when, how and why Islam is not the ten toes / crowns of Daniel and Revelation. And the two legs are not the divisions (Sunni / Shia) of Islam as some suggest. I think Islam is going to be totally decimated in the very near future and be drawn to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. They're going to find out 'Allah' is a false god.

I'm hearing from credible sources and ministries that are preaching Jesus' love and Salvation into Iran that, Iran is the fastest growing Christian nation in the world and our Lord is reaching and converting a multitude. It's easily confirmed by Googling the testimonies of converted Iranian Muslims and Christian ministries to Iran. But this is just an aside.

Psalm 83:  This is an Islamic coalition war that historically has never happened, with all the nations and peoples listed, not 1948, 1967 or 1973 as some claim. Notice all the nations in this Psalm 83: federation are nations, peoples and groups that border Israel, or inner ring nations if you will. Not one of these nations, peoples or groups are named or listed in the Ezekiel 38: - 39: invasion, ever wonder why? I believe if this is an independent war of the inner ring nations against Israel they will be defeated by the Israeli Defense Force (IDF), and Israel will expand their boundaries, and then consider themselves living in peace.

Some claim Israel is living in peace at the present. How can that be when the world is crying 'peace and security'? A 308 mile high tech security fence to protect them from terrorists. A constant threat from the terrorist nations and terror groups, Iran threatening to drive them into the sea, etc. No, I don't consider that living in peace and safety when they are surrounded by enemies with little if any buffering zones.

I think the Ezekiel 38: invasion will follow sometime after that. A little know fact that somehow may play into the chaos of the destruction of Gog / Magog, is the Russian military is reported to comprise of 40% Muslims. I found that very curious and interesting. Perhaps this coalition of Muslims (Shia / Sunni) that hate each other with a passion, will also turn on one another? Anyway, all these nations of Ezekiel 38: - 39: are Muslim nations (or outer ring nations) that are a distance off. Israel will have to do nothing, as they will be decimated by the Lord himself. What draws Gog and Magog to want to take a spoil of Israel? What is the hook in the jaw?

As previously mentioned by Marilyn, Israel's newly found oil and natural gas wealth would be obvious, since Russia's major export is oil, and they have much difficulty getting it out of the ground in Siberia and transported to market (open sea ports, pipe lines through other countries, etc.). Another little known tidbit is, Russia is having a difficult time feeding its people and its economy is sinking, as our own. We all know Putin's history and what he is capable of. I recently read where Putin maybe the world's richest man? Is 'Gog' a title of a demon, a title of a man, could Putin be Gog? In my estimation he fits the bill and is following scripture. Israel has the best soil in the entire world and produces the best fruit and vegetables in the world and exports massive amounts. Their agricultural technologies are second to none. The hook in the jaw...

The Bible is chalk full of symbolism. The hook in the jaw, what's done with the jaw? Eating! Is it possible the hook in the jaw is figurative for the reason Gog - Magog (Russia and coalition) invades Israel, because of food or a possible global famine? Just a thought? 

Anyway, whether or not our prophetic views are close or correct, we're seeing it all play out before our very own eyes. I would guess in one year as we see more of this unfold and play out, we might be modifying our perception of end-time events. I know in my heart the Rapture is so very close. I was in town this morning sitting and waiting for a hair cut. I was looking out of the window and noticed the town already had up its Christmas street decorations. Then it hit me and remembered a quote from somewhere, when you see the Christmas decorations you know Thanksgiving is getting close. So too the Rapture.   

6 hours ago, other one said:

Treaties  that are ratified by the Senate become law, but like all laws passed by the senate, they do not take precedence over the constitution.  Agreements are between the Administration and the other party and we are not as a nation bound by them.  When a new president comes along that can be swept away with the stroke of a pen.   But the sitting president that made the agreement has to abide with the constitution and laws concerning the agreement.

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Considering that with the Antichrist, if you consider he is the beast out of the bottomless pit (abyss) he is not human and possess knowledge from the angel realm and his army may not be what we think of as an army in this world.  If he can call fire down out of the heavens, he's likely got things we don't know about.

Just something to ponder.

Yes, I have my own speculations of the evil empire of the Antichrist and his minions out of the pit. In fact, without going into any details, I think one of the deceptions will be the discovery / disclosure of alien beings. If Satan pulls that deception, think of how many of the mass would instantly fall for that deception of great signs and lying wonders? Even the very elect if it were possible. 

As far as the Constitution, it's almost a moot point anyway, since none of the three branches of government fully abide by it. One of the reasons we are on the brink of economic collapse is, Congress abdicated its responsibility to the greedy banks (Federal Reserve). Which is neither Federal nor has any reserves. 

On 11/2/2016 at 6:48 PM, Marilyn C said:

Hi coheir & Dennis,

 I can finally post here now. Thank you both for for your good comments. 

As to Christians in the US (or Australia or UK etc) not participating in a one world government / religion, it is already here. The Christian organisations are being deceived into signing various so-called policies to protect children, (Safe Churches) & to stand against slavery, (Global Freedom Network). When you actually read the documents carefully you realise that it is all smoke & mirrors to -

- Safe Churches - giving the UN`s moral laws for children, precedent over the family.

- Global Freedom Network - opening the gates for all sexual agendas in the name of `freedom for all.`

There are more policies in the UN`s pipe line. Have you heard of these policies that Churches are signing?

BTW these policies are all legally binding & require ongoing `indoctrination` classes for those enforcing them!!!!!

Marilyn.

Hey Marilyn,

I'm no legal expert, but I read somewhere these 'treaties' and 'agreements' take precedence over the Constitution of the United States of America. In the last decade, many of our U.S. military troops have been assigned to United Nations for combat missions, under foreign commanders and leadership. Some have refused to serve under foreign powers, wear the UN patch and have been court-martialed. 

For years I always thought the antiChrist's massive military would be the establishment of a new European military, and could be. But since I believe we are at the threshold of Daniel's 70th week, it appears that the United Nations might be the instrument of global governance?  I figure it won't be long before there's some sort of global tax to support and build up the U.N. Probably in the form of a global warming emission carbon tax / credit system. Or the guise of getting serious in the fight against ISIS globally. We are living in interesting times.

Say Hey!

Yep, he who has eyes to see and ears to hear... all this is rapidly coming to pass, it's so apparent what is happening it's scary. Also take note of what is transpiring here in America relating to the one world religion. Without going into great detail, Christians and the church are becoming marginalized. When Christians stand up and quote scripture, it called "hate speech" and we already have hate crime laws on the books. Christians are being labeled, to name just a couple, xenophobic and intolerant. Christians can no longer object or reject any services to immoral groups of people.

While Christians are still on earth in particular, and a deep sense of American national patriotism still by many Americans... I can't see America participating in a one world government / religion until those things be taken out of the way. Just my thoughts.

Very nice article, thank you. I can use all the help on Revelation I can get. 

I have been studying Revelation again myself and I have surmised about what you have. Previously I have leaned toward some of the symbolism as tanks, rockets, helicopters, etc. The more I'm studying I'm now leaning towards literal supernatural beings in some cases for various reasons. I do believe much of the angelic / demonic activity will be visible to the human eye in this dimension.  

When biblical scholars and biblical experts are about evenly divided on their eschatology and hermeneutics on Revelation, you have to ask yourself, what constitutes an expert? Like you said, we'll just have to wait and see. And the way things are progressing, I believe the time is about at hand.