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Yes, I can: One thing that evotuionist fail to explain, and always, is how thick layers of vegetation are buried..... They said every time, that in a process of million of years the vegetation was gradually buried..... But all in the world you can see that it not happens because we have wind, rain and decomposition. So the only way that it can happen is only with a suddenly burial. Suddenly burial can happen with humans or catastrophes.... There is coal in almost all continents in the world. That means that is too difficult the cause to be humans. So there were many catastrophes in the world that cause the burial of coal, or, more plausible, that was one catastroph: The flood. If you read Genesis: And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. Gênesis 1:6-8 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. Genesis 7: 11 So the waters of the flood not only came from heaven, but from under too. And after that, were is all the water gonne? Scientist have studied it and the most plausible conclusion is that the plate tectonics were divided in the flood and a fast division of the earth caused the burial of a lot of vegatation e animals, coal and petrol.... and the emergence of new land..... I posted a video about that in my further comment, but like you all not read the comment, you dont have time for a 2 hours video too... so it is difficult to get any science...

and HOW do you know that? It could be a vulcan too, 10 000 years ago...., how do you know that is million of years and not 1000 years, or 10 000, or 100 000?

Ok, and how many years ago was that?

@FresnoJoe@HAZARD A teacher asked the class: - Who was the first president of U.S.A? One student stand up and said: - At the time they sat the constitution and in the constitution was.... The teacher interrupted him: - Thanks, dear, but we don't need the constitution now, later we studied it, I only want the name of the first president... Another student stand up and said: - It was not Bill Clinton. Well, I feel like the teacher now. Thanks guys for not read my questions

what a method you use to date something? of course not the bible. You said you were a miner, and found some objects 50 millions years old, or rocks. I would like to know, how do you know the age of something? Do you use radiocarbon dating? Or radiometric? or something else?

dating, age determination, what is the method to determine an age of something?

yes, I have an answer for that: a piece of string is so long as you first answer the first question of someone, and after that you answer the seccond, and not the first question, and after that you can put new embasament or theory. because you can't refuse my argument, you dont answer my questions and instead you copy past a lot of verses aleatory. But I already have refuse your first comment, so all after that is without consideration until you show me that my first argument is wrong. I showed you a big problem with your datation, and you are not cappable to show me how you got this datation. So I think only you think you are right...

yes, I totally agree. And our days now depends on sun. So the days are not the same! And the first 7 days were evening and morning, not day and night, there were no nights in the first seven days..... More one reason to believe that the days on the creation are not exactaly the same nowadays....

And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone. Deuteronomy 4:13

@HAZARD And I asked you what method of datation you use. Do you dont have an answer for that too?

Really? It is your answer? You posted it already, I took my time, read all things, make a research about that, wrote all down to answer you and your response is to copy paste? I used arguments, Can you refuse my arguments? Or did you not read? If you not refuse each argument of mine, i will take your answer are wasted....

My question was, CAN BE THERE A MURDERER WITHOUT HUMANS? Jesus can answer me that, when I meet him one day. Until there, I ask YOU, can be?

I have searched about that, and I found that concave reflexion in mirrors points in a direct line, not convex, and ir works in mirrors, then normal objects reflects rays of light many times, until all rays disapears....

So I know a brazilian scientist who explains very well with good consisten teory about the flood. But I dont find anything in english. But I find it: Edited by Omegaman 3.0 If I person wants to look at the video, they can do a search for "RSR's Global Flood and the Hydroplate Theory" on YouTube. The video was removed from this post, as videos are only allowed in the Video section of the forum.

If I need to aks Jesus, that means you don't know, and so you can't presume that was a first flood before Noe Do you have any proof of what you state? Can you explain how is the datation? Then : But, according to the evolution: (...), another group began an inland journey across the Middle East and south-central Asia, positioning them to later go to Europe and Asia, the magazine added. This proved important for North America, as about 20,000 years ago. So I really like to understand how this people date something if it is so condraditory.......

so, can we not call Father's house as heaven or paradise? Yes, that was what I mean since the beginn.... Yes, that is the point. A language can be letters, draw, colors..... then is code and we are so abbituated with this code that we dont hear sonds, but we images.... And here I come to my first point: who write the bible are humans and they interpret what they saw and understand with the hebrew language. The serpent spoke with eva. Serpents dont have tongue and teeth like humans, so I believe they spoke another type of language, that is not our languages today. Since we read the bible from hebrew I can't believe it is the definition of God, because God did not write nothing. It is definition of humans, trying to describe something from God. So a day from genesis is not the same day of our day, because there was no sun and our day need to be a sun to be a day. So you can not say how long a day was in the first 7 days....

yes, that you have already answered I ask in other way: Where do Jesus live? you used this argument to proof that hebrew is the language of God. So I asked you this so you show yourself that Jesus spoke to Paul in Hebrew because it was one language that he knew..... and not because it is the language of God Yes, I wanted to mean proof, sorry. the division of languages was after the overflut. So nobody have no proof about the language before it..... No, here I mean what is a language. It is the transliteration of the reality for you?

Fossil record were not left for us or Darwinists. They are there because something happened on the Earth. Did you already thought how to make a fossil? An animal die and what happens? There are bacteries to deteriorated it, there are rain, wind, other animals, at the end no fossil or only some deterioted bones. How can it be that are so many fossils from ALL species? Everybody are amazed about the fossils of dinossaurs. But no ones look about the fossils of all species...... Dinossaures fossils are 25% of the all fossils species found. And how to make a fossil?? you need to bury the animal at once! he will not die and wait for thousand years to get covered! you need to dig deep, and put a loth of clay to conservate it. Or you need a great catastrophal event on the earth with a lot of clay to make fossils. And there are then 2 options. there were many catastrophal events with clay on the earth that make trhough millions of years so much fossils. Or you need 1 event to make it all, like a overflut Science shows the truth, scientist are humans, and humans lie......

Can you show me a passage to confirm it? Again, can you confirm it? Since the quantic mecanics, I think it is possible a beginn of time..... The context is about Israel, and how God wants a righteousness place, that he wants to destroy it because of the lack of righteousness, deducing from that that it will be not forever. Nothing to do with the creation.... That is clearly about the overflut from Noe. How do you link it with a first overflut? That is a prophecy, not past.... again, fonts for that? That beginns in verse 1, and in verse 4 we find: That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased! {proverb: or, taunting speech} {golden...: or, exactress of gold}..... So, it is a prophecy, what God will do, and how the volk will talk when it ends (then when it is ended, you will talk in the past). So it describes not the past, but the future. That I can agree, that is maybe Lucifer ( I have my doubts). But there is: Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God, Ezequiel 28:13. Also, Eden? Eden was not planted after the 7th day? Ye are of {your} father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning He was a murderer from the beginning. Is there a murderer without humans? What references do you have to state it is beginn before the man? and what? again,no reference of beginn.....

I have already sait it, that is a introduction! Nobody can take it literaly! Or you will say that God create all things in one day because of Gen 2: 4,5; These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, and every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew... and you wrote a beautiful text about what we all agree but didnt answer point that it is a introduction. Can you refuse it?

So, why were you trying to define what was before the first day if you know that the bible is not a book of chronological events?

@HAZARD Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.” The bible is not a scientific book, neither a history book, neither a geological book. If one wants to classify the bible, it comes closer to literature. And literature doesn't mean always fictions. There is a lot of literature based on facts, that are considered literature because they are part of the culture of a folk. In the bible there are narratives, poesy, law, engineering etc. So if you want to interpret the bible you need to define the rules to make literature. Example, if you write history you need to prove what are you saying with archaeology, journals of the epoch and others. And you try to maintain a time line. Each text we write, we use some rules of this typology of text, if you write a receipt, you dont need to write to whom you write, or greetings at the end. But you need to use the measures of receipt, however no one will understand.... And in the narrative you need a introduction about what you will tell. Sometimes it as person, sometimes it is a local or a time. Examples: Book of Ruth, 1st Samuel, Esdras.... And so begins Genesis: they did a introduction what is about: how was the begin. It can be mean that this beginning of the 1st verse is the 7 days, or the prior moment before this days. But no one can state what moment is, because this is the introduction. And another thing very important in the literature is the figurative language: Job 38: 4, Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. V. 5, Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? V. 6, Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened ? or who laid the corner stone thereof; V. 7, When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Since when stars can song? It is a figurative language. If a text works with that, you can not interpret all things literally

Sorry, but if you say it, so there must be something false.... Maybe you have some issue with God and therefore are trying to find something false in the bible...

@Bonky Can you show me one thing in the bible that are not true?

I understood that you mean as others to history, liguistik etc... Therefore I ask you if the live Jesus is a fact to you.... But you showed knowledge about the historic method. So I suppose that you agree that history, linguistik, science economics have its ways of knowledge, that are diverse of scientific method, but have its validity :). You said that this called sciences are a falacy (equivocation), and ask for prove. So to beginn we need to understand semantic and words, because science is a word. Here the explanation: https://www.decodedscience.org/ferdinand-de-saussure-the-linguistic-unit-sign-signified-and-signifier-explained/20876 Since the meaning of words are arbitrary, you need to take the concept of a word in a culture to define the meaning. So I take a lot of dictionaries, that study the meaning of the word science: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/science?s=t https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/science http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/science http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/science http://www.thefreedictionary.com/science http://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/science In all this dictionaries, science is never alone a scientific method. Scientific method is a defimition of method to get knowledge of something. Like you get knowledge trought the historic method about Jesus, you get knowledge about the natural word through scientific method. And many dictionaries show that science come from the latin "knowledge" and so is used for many people. Since a word is arbitrary, you can't take a meaning for you and only yoursel. So I dont agree with you. But like I said. If we have a consence about what a word means, we can say that we are talking about the same thing, so it is not a problem for me to write science here with the meaning scientific method. because all words are arbitrary........