Heb 13:8

Try to devour the body of Christ, the church.. Rev 12:1-5 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman (Israel) clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She (Israel) was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon (Satan) with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. 4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon (Satan) stood in front of the woman (Israel) who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child (teknon the church) the moment he was born. 5 She gave birth to a son (huios Jesus Christ himself), a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child (teknon the church) was snatched up (harpazo) to God and to his throne. Rom 11:30-32 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

No, if you are saved you are already cleansed, by His blood.

Rev 12:17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring--those who keep God's commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus. loipos: the rest, the remaining Original Word: λοιπός, ή, όν Part of Speech: Adjective Transliteration: loipos Phonetic Spelling: (loy-poy') Short Definition: left, left behind, the remainder Definition: left, left behind, the remainder, the rest, the others. From the red dragon in Rev 12:3-4 coming this September.

Matt 6:10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. 1. The Passover (God leads the Jews out of Egypt and slavery) 2. Unleavened Bread (The Death and Burial of Jesus Christ) 3. First Fruits (Resurrection of Jesus Christ) 4. Feast of Weeks/Pentecost (The beginning of the church age, Holy Spirit indwells believers) 5. Feast of Trumpets (The rapture of the church) 6. Day of Atonement (Jesus lands on the Mount of Olives and atones for the sins of Israel at the end of the 7 year tribulation) 7. Feast of Tabernacles (The 1,000 year reign with Christ) Well you should. The Rev 12:1-5 great sign in the heavens is coming to pass on 9/23/17, and the word "harpazo" is in both 1 Thess 4:17 and Rev 12:5. It's time to wake up. Rev 3:3. Souls cannot exist without bodies. Did God breathe His spirit into Adam's spirit, or did He breathe His spirit into his body.

The term "elect" I do believe describes those who also come to Christ after rapture in the trib, and the full number of the Gentiles comes in at the end of the 70th week... Rom 11:7 What then? What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others were hardened, Rom 11:25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, Every single believer on earth in the tribulation? Hmm..well there goes the suburbs. Rom 11:7 What then? What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others were hardened, Rom 11:25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, Gal 6:16 Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule--to the Israel of God. I agree brother. Rev 12:5.

Yes. This is who the elect are in Matt 24.

1. If that's so, what happens to the saved Gentiles around the world, Rom 11:25. 2. Saved Gentiles (the church) also comes down from Heaven with Christ, Rev 19. 3. I would think that God brings the Jews back into their land when she gives birth in September, Micah 5:2-3.

Amen. In the book of Enoch it says, "Then pain shall come upon them as on a woman in travail with birth pangs -when she is giving birth the child enters the mouth of the womb and she suffers from childbearing." In the book of Enoch it also says, ""One half portion of them shall glance at the other half; they shall be terrified and dejected; and pain shall seize them when they see that Son of Man sitting on the throne of His splendor." Isa 13:6-8 Wail, for the day of the Lord is near; it will come like destruction from the Almighty. 7Because of this, all hands will go limp, every heart will melt with fear. 8Terror will seize them, pain and anguish will grip them; they will writhe like a woman in labor. They will look aghast at each other, their faces aflame. Rev 12:1-5 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman (Israel) clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She (Israel) was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon (Satan) with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. 4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon (Satan) stood in front of the woman (Israel) who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child (teknon the church) the moment he was born. 5 She gave birth to a son (huios Jesus Christ himself), a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child (teknon the church) was snatched up (harpazo) to God and to his throne.

you can't enter heaven without being saved by the Blood. Rom 10:9-10.

Well, we should get the terms right. Last trump - 1 Thess 4:17, 1 Cor 15:50-54, Rev 12:5 Great Trump - Matt 24:29-31 Matt 24:31 is not a rapture, rather it's a gathering. If it was a rapture, the word harpazo would be there.

You mean dead in their graves? Nobody is in heaven or hell right now existing as wind. The word "spirit" in Hebrew and Greek is translated wind.

Again, trib saints.

The elect in Matt 24 are tribulation saints. Similar to Rev 12:17.

Your belief doesn't change the fact that the word "harpazo" is in 1 Thess 4:17, Rev 12:5. Christians have been standing against satan for 2,000 years.

Trib saints from all around the world.. Matt 24:31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

Hi Marilyn C, Matt 24:29-31 is referring to Jesus gathering the tribulation saints on the Day of Atonement. What judgment? Right, the Great White Throne is for nonbelievers.

That's right, 1 Cor 15:50-54, 1 Thess 4:17, Rev 12:5 - last trump Matt 24:29-31 - Great trump

I apologize, I was a little tired last night. These are the correct dates if we place the 1290 days in the middle of the 70th week.. My New Timeline 9/21/17 - Rapture - Feast of trumpets 3/4/21 - Abomination of Desolation - Just another day on the Torah 8/15/24 - The Second Coming of Christ - Just another day on the Torah 10/29/24 - 1000 yr Millennium begins - Just another day on the Torah Steve's Timeline 9/21/17 - Rapture - Feast of trumpets 4/2/21 - Abomination of Desolation - Passover Sabbath 9/13/24 - The Second Coming of Christ - The Day of Atonement 11/27/24 - 1000 yr Millennium begins

How many more generations does wingnut need to see? Matt 24:34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 1897 - First Zionist Congress 1917 - The Balfour Declaration 1947 - Israel becomes a nation 1967 - Israel recaptures Jerusalem 2017 - Rev 12:1-5 sign

No it's not. The word used in Matt 27:52 is egeiró. No it's not. The word used in Mark 16:19 is analambanó, and the word used in Luke 24:51 is anapheró. You're also missing the point. How many antonyms do you see between the two words below? epairó 1. to be lifted up, not a rescue 2. Jesus ascended slowly in victory from the devil harpazo 1. to be snatched away, rescued 2. The church will be snatched away quickly, from red dragon Teknon is used twice in Rev 12:4-5. Notice it says, "the moment he was born", and "She gave birth to a son". These events are literally coming to pass this September. Virgo is giving birth to Jupiter THIS September! Do you now see how if the church wasn't raptured right away that the dragon would devour us? Do you have eyes to see and ears to hear, with 4 months left? Rev 12:1-5 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman (Israel) clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She (Israel) was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon (Satan) with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. 4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon (Satan) stood in front of the woman (Israel) who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child (teknon the church) the moment he was born. 5 She gave birth to a son (huios Jesus Christ himself), a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child (teknon the church) was snatched up (harpazo) to God and to his throne. Notice the child (teknon the church) is caught up to God and to his throne before the dragon devours us. The Rev 12:1-5 sign comes to pass at the end of the Feast of Trumpets. Rev 12:4-5 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon (Satan) stood in front of the woman (Israel) who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child (teknon the church) the moment he was born. 5 She gave birth to a son (huios Jesus Christ himself), a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child (teknon the church) was snatched up (harpazo) to God and to his throne. Isa 26:17-21 As a pregnant woman about to give birth writhes and cries out in her pain, so were we in your presence, Lord. 18We were with child, we writhed in labor, but we gave birth to wind. We have not brought salvation to the earth, and the people of the world have not come to life. 19But your dead will live, Lord; their bodies will rise— let those who dwell in the dust wake up and shout for joy— your dew is like the dew of the morning; the earth will give birth to her dead. 20Go, my people, enter your rooms and shut the doors behind you; hide yourselves for a little while until his wrath has passed by. 21See, the Lord is coming out of his dwelling to punish the people of the earth for their sins. The earth will disclose the blood shed on it; the earth will conceal its slain no longer. 1. The Passover (God leads the Jews out of Egypt and slavery) 2. Unleavened Bread (The Death and Burial of Jesus Christ) 3. First Fruits (Resurrection of Jesus Christ) 4. Feast of Weeks/Pentecost (The beginning of the church age, Holy Spirit indwells believers) 5. Feast of Trumpets (The rapture of the church) 6. Day of Atonement (Jesus lands on the Mount of Olives and atones for the sins of Israel at the end of the 7 year tribulation) 7. Feast of Tabernacles (The 1,000 year reign with Christ) Stellarium is a star tracking software. It's how we found the Rev 12:1-5 sign. This sign takes place in the heavens where the sun, moon, stars and planets reside. It's time to wake up! God showed John the souls of martyrs under the Altar of Burnt Offering in Heaven because they represent people who were “sacrificed” on the altar to save other people. Similarly, priests in the tabernacle collected blood from sacrifices in a jar below the Altar of Burnt Offering. The doctrine of soul sleep teaches that when a person dies, his soul ceases to exist. “For every living soul belongs to me, the father as well as the son – both alike belong to me. The soul who sins is the one who will die.” (Ezekiel 18:4). When Jesus judges the dead, He examines each life record and determines each person’s eternal destiny. So, all dead people are awaiting a resurrection, either the first resurrection when Jesus returns at the rapture or the second resurrection at the end of the 1,000 years. The souls of Abel, Stephen, Paul, and millions of other martyrs are not located under the Altar of Burnt Offering in Heaven. Dead souls are not burning in Hell, either. Furthermore, the fifth seal has yet to be opened so the souls of those martyred during the fifth seal should not be confused with people who have been martyred through the ages. The souls under the Altar are a representation; they represent people who will die for Jesus after He breaks the fifth seal. An apocalyptic prophecy rule that I use is “Apocalyptic language can be literal, symbolic, or analogous. To reach the intended meaning of apocalyptic prophecy, the student must consider: (a) the context, (b) the use of parallel language elsewhere in the Bible, and (c) relevant statements in the Bible which define the symbol if an element is thought to be symbolic.” This rule mandates that we consider parallel language as demonstrated in the following passage: “Now Cain said to his brother Abel, ‘Let’s go out to the field.’ And while they were in the field, Cain attacked his brother Abel and killed him. Then the Lord said to Cain, ‘Where is your brother Abel?’ ‘I do not know,’ he replied. ‘Am I my brother’s keeper?’ The Lord said, ‘What have you done? Listen! Your brother’s blood cries out to me from the ground.’ " Of course, Abel’s blood was not talking to God, but Abel’s innocent blood that was spilled spoke volumes to God! God saw Abel’s blood on the ground and its presence cried out for justice. Therefore, the Lord punished Cain for the murder of his brother. This is the point of the fifth seal. John saw souls under the altar and their location under the altar meant they were sacrifices for the cause of Christ. Like Abel’s blood, the blood of these martyrs cried out in a loud voice for relief and revenge saying, “ ‘How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the Earth and avenge our blood?’ [Then, God told the martyrs,] . . . to wait a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and brothers who were to be killed as they had been was completed.” God gave us the knowledge of the fifth seal in advance so that when the martyrdom begins, we can know that Jesus is faithfully following the Father’s plan. Jesus is intimately aware of each martyr’s situation and He is meticulously counting the quantity of martyrs sacrificed. Long ago, the Father set a specific number of saints that He would sacrifice to save wicked people who will wake up at the last minute and come to their senses.

This is an alternate time line from Steve's time line on..http://www.heavenlysign2017.com This was an interesting study. When we place the 1290/1335 days at the middle of the 70th week, the end days still comes out to 75 days extra, same as Steve. Steve says the daily sacrifice is us (the body of Christ) and the 1290 days starts at the Feast of Trumpets in 2017. The time line I've created below confirms that the daily sacrifice represents animal sacrifice in the third temple ending at the middle of the 70th week and the 1290 days starts at the abomination of desolation. My personal belief and conclusion is that if Steve is correct then the sudden destruction spoken of in 1 Thess 5:1-3 refers to the chaos that occurs after rapture and not the start of the 70th week. Friends, family members and (children?) will suddenly vanish on a global scale; not to mention car accidents, looting, rioting and planes falling from the sky. Then 30 days later God confirms a covenant to start the 70th week, and the two witnesses appear amongst the chaos. Everything else is history. The point I'm trying to make with this time line is that no matter where you place the 1290 days, I do believe rapture will happen first on the Feast of Trumpets. I have to admit though that this study was exciting, I had a lot of fun. Whichever way it happens, only God knows. Dan 9:27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him." Dan 12:11-12 “From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days. Matt 24:15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’a spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 2 Thess 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God. Different Types of Sayings rapture - 1 Thess 4:17, Rev 12:5 seven years - Eze 39:9 time, times and half a time - Dan 7:25, Dan 12:7, Rev 12:14 one seven - Dan 9:27 1290 days - Dan 12:11 1335 days - Dan 12:12 sudden destruction - 1 Thess 5:1-3 42 months - Rev 11:2, Rev 13:5 1260 days - Rev 11:3, Rev 12:6 New Time line Rapture - 1 Thess 4:17, Rev 12:5 All seven years - Eze 39:9, Dan 9:27 Start of 70th week/Sudden Destruction - 1 Thess 5:1-3 First 3.5 years/1260 days/Two Witnesses - Rev 11:3 1290/1335 days - This starts here/Abomination of Desolation - Dan 12:11-12 Latter 3.5 years/1260 days - Dan 7:25, Dan 12:7, Rev 11:2, Rev 12:6, Rev 12:14, Rev 13:5 75 days extra after 70th week ends Scripture Eze 39:9 “ ‘Then those who live in the towns of Israel will go out and use the weapons for fuel and burn them up—the small and large shields, the bows and arrows, the war clubs and spears. For seven years they will use them for fuel. Dan 7:25 He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time. Dan 9:27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him." Dan 12:7 The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, “It will be for a time, times and half a time. When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed.” Dan 12:11-12 “From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days. 1 Thess 5:1-3 Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, 2for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. Rev 11:2 But exclude the courtyard outside the temple. Do not measure it, because it has been given over to the nations, and they will trample the holy city for forty-two months. Rev 11:3 And I will empower my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for a thousand two hundred sixty days, clothed in sackcloth." Rev 12:6 The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days. Rev 12:14 The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent's reach. Rev 13:5 The beast was given a mouth to speak arrogant and blasphemous words, and authority to act for forty-two months. 9/22/17 - Rapture - Days of Awe 5/5/21 - Abomination of Desolation - Today is Shabbat Parah or the "Sabbath of the Red Heifer." It commemorates the custom of ritual cleansing for those on a Passover Pilgrimage to Jerusalem. It is the Sabbath preceding Shabbat Ha-Chodesh. It is the third of four special Sabbaths. Today the Parashah is Ki Tissa which means "When You Take." 10/16/24 - The Second Coming of Christ - Just another day on the Torah 12/30/24 - 1000 yr Millennium begins - Just another day on the Torah https://www.timeanddate.com/date/dateadd.html // torahcalendar.com

I came across something interesting. The highlighted part below actually reads "the children of your people". It reminds me of how Israel is our mother, and we are the children. Dan 12:1-2 “At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. 2Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. 1121 [e] bə-nê בְּנֵ֣י the children Noun 5971 [e] ‘am-me-ḵā עַמֶּךָ֒ of your people Noun Isa 50:1 This is what the LORD says: “Where is your mother's certificate of divorce with which I sent her away? Or to which of my creditors did I sell you? Because of your sins you were sold; because of your transgressions your mother was sent away. Jer 3:8 I gave faithless Israel her certificate of divorce and sent her away because of all her adulteries. Yet I saw that her unfaithful sister Judah had no fear; she also went out and committed adultery. Another good study.. Dan 12:11 "From the time (eth) that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 6256 [e] ū-mê-‘êṯ וּמֵעֵת֙ and from the time Noun eth: time Original Word: עֵת Part of Speech: Noun Feminine Transliteration: eth Phonetic Spelling: (ayth) Short Definition: time NASB Translation always* (1), appointed time (1), circumstances (1), continually* (1), interval* (1), mealtime* (1), now (3), period (1), season (10), some (1), time (226), timely (1), times (27), when (8), whenever (1), year (2). c. appointed time, ׳בְּעֵת תֵּת וגו 1 Samuel 18:19 at the appointed time of giving, Ezekiel 7:7,12; Isaiah 13:22, מְּקֻדָּתָם ׳ע Jeremiah 8:12; Jeremiah 10:15 = Jeremiah 51:18; Jeremiah 46:21; Jeremiah 50:27 compare (with finite verb) Jeremiah 6:15; Jeremiah 49:8; Jeremiah 50:31, אַרְצוֺ ׳ע Jeremiah 27:7, גּוֺיִם ׳ע Ezekiel 30:3,לְעִתִּים מְזֻמָּנִים Ezra 10:14; Nehemiah 10:35 compare Nehemiah 13:31; מוֺעֵד ׳עַדעֿ 2 Samuel 24:15; Psalm 103:14 ("" מוֺעֵד), etc.; compare עֵת וּמִשְׁמָּט Ecclesiastes 8:5,6 (for time of judgment),עִתּוֺ Ecclesiastes 9:12; especially לְעֵת קֵץ Daniel 8:7; compare Daniel 11:35,40; Daniel 12:4,9, עֲוֺן קֵץ ׳כְּע Ezekiel 21:30; Ezekiel 21:34; compare Ezekiel 35:5; לְקֵץ הָעִתִּים Daniel 11:13. If you go to Leviticus 23 there are seven feasts of the Lord. The word "festival" in Hebrew is translated "moed" which means: appointed time, place, or meeting. The first four feasts have already been fulfilled by Jesus Christ 2,000 years ago, and the last three are still future. Jesus fulfilled the first four feasts to the day literally, and the next feast on God's calendar is the Feast of Trumpets which is on 9/23/17 the same day the great sign appears in heaven. Each festival (an appointed time in history) represents an event Jesus fulfilled or will fulfill in the near future. The Feast of Trumpets represents the rapture of the church at the end of the church age, the age of Grace. 1. The Passover (God leads the Jews out of Egypt and slavery) 2. Unleavened Bread (The Death and Burial of Jesus Christ) 3. First Fruits (Resurrection of Jesus Christ) 4. Feast of Weeks/Pentecost (The beginning of the church age, Holy Spirit indwells believers) 5. Feast of Trumpets (The rapture of the church) 6. Day of Atonement (Jesus lands on the Mount of Olives and atones for the sins of Israel at the end of the 7 year tribulation) 7. Feast of Tabernacles (The 1,000 year reign with Christ)

Jesus was not caught up. We already discussed this, remember. epairó and harpazo have different meanings with different exegesis. If Rev 12:1-5 were pointing to the birth and death of Christ 2,000 years ago it would read like this.. Rev 12:1-5 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman (Mary) clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She (Mary) was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon (Herod) with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. 4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon (Herod) stood in front of the woman (Mary) who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child (huios Jesus Christ himself) the moment he was born. 5 She gave birth to a son (huios Jesus Christ himself), a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child (huios Jesus Christ himself) was lifted up (epairó) to God and to his throne. But it doesn't, rather it reads like this.. Rev 12:1-5 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman (Israel) clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She (Israel) was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon (Satan) with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. 4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon (Satan) stood in front of the woman (Israel) who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child (teknon the church) the moment he was born. 5 She gave birth to a son (huios Jesus Christ himself), a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child (teknon the church) was snatched up (harpazo) to God and to his throne. Also, Jesus lived for 33 years before ascending to heaven. Rev 12:5 has the child being snatched up to God's throne right away. Isa 26:17-21 As a pregnant woman about to give birth writhes and cries out in her pain, so were we in your presence, Lord. 18We were with child, we writhed in labor, but we gave birth to wind. We have not brought salvation to the earth, and the people of the world have not come to life. 19But your dead will live, Lord; their bodies will rise— let those who dwell in the dust wake up and shout for joy— your dew is like the dew of the morning; the earth will give birth to her dead. 20Go, my people, enter your rooms and shut the doors behind you; hide yourselves for a little while until his wrath has passed by. 21See, the Lord is coming out of his dwelling to punish the people of the earth for their sins. The earth will disclose the blood shed on it; the earth will conceal its slain no longer. A Side Note: I do believe epairó and harpazo have two different meanings and exegesis. Jesus wasn't caught up, He was lifted (raised) up because at that point He had defeated the devil. He didn't need to be obtained by robbery because He won. The church however does need to be obtained by robbery, because of the red dragon. We need Jesus help. epairó 1. to be lifted up, not a rescue 2. Jesus ascended slowly in victory from the devil harpazo 1. to be snatched away, rescued 2. The church will be snatched away quickly, from red dragon epairó: to lift up Original Word: ἐπαίρω Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: epairó Phonetic Spelling: (ep-ahee'-ro) Short Definition: I raise, lift up Definition: I raise, lift up. harpazó: to seize, catch up, snatch away Original Word: ἁρπάζω Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: harpazó Phonetic Spelling: (har-pad'-zo) Short Definition: I seize, snatch, obtain by robbery Definition: I seize, snatch, obtain by robbery. No, Rev 12:1-5 is a future sign that is coming to pass on 9/23/17. This sign takes place in the heavens where the sun, moon, stars and planets reside. So if it has already come to pass we would of found it on Stellarium Software by now. Yeah right, lol. If more people would just download Stellarium and see for themselves, not even realizing the joke is on you. No, I do believe the great multitude are the body of Christ raptured, being that Rev chapter 4-5, and Rev 7:9 are speaking of the same event. They've been in heaven all that time up until Rev 19:1.. Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.” Rev 5:9 And they sang a new song, saying: "You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased for God persons from every tribe and language and people and nation. Rev 7:9 After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. Rev 19:1 After this I heard what sounded like the roar of a great multitude in heaven shouting: "Hallelujah! Salvation and glory and power belong to our God,

Wake um up!