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  1. This is incredibly ironic coming from the participant in the discussion that repeatedly and continuously makes false statements. I will say it again, but doubt I will continue to refute the same thing you keep repeating. I believe God is omnipotent. I believe He could have created in 144-hours. I also believe He could have created instantaneously. The evidence He has made available does not match those conclusions.
  2. Yes, it is obvious that a single celled organism does not have the same gene capacity as an organism with a larger genome. However, duplications of DNA segments are common events. Genome analysis has shown that duplication and divergence is a common feature in genome change over time. First, a DNA region containing a gene is duplicated, giving two copies of the same gene. Then, the two versions of the gene can diversify in DNA sequence because the selection pressure does not fall on a single version of a particular gene. We know that gene duplications take place. A good example of this is the OPN1MW gene that is responsible for color vision in the green wavelength range. While many individuals have a single copy of this gene, many people have 2 or even 3 copies of this particular gene. The divergence of genes is extrapolated from evidence, rather than directly observed, but the genomic evidence is very strong for this phenomenon, as well.
  3. I agree, the natural world does not hold the same weight as scripture. But when what God has made evident in the natural world contradicts one interpretation of the Bible, it is worth considering whether that particular interpretation is the correct one. Untrue. I never made this claim. Your point is irrelevant. You willingly stand behind a false statement... Ok... So your "calling as a watchman" requires you to make false statements? That doesn't sound like a thing God would call a person to do.
  4. No, as I've made clear before, you really don't know me. You are only guessing what I believe and why I believe it, based on your own experience, but I'm a different person. I readily admit that other allegorical language in the Bible is insufficient to assume that the Creation account is also allegorical. My belief is based on much more than that. The book of God's Word and the book of God's works must both be true. In the words of Francis Bacon, As a PhD biologist, I have taken a deep look at the evidence supporting evolution, and am convinced that since both "books" must be true, that the Genesis account does not describe a 144-hour event roughly 6,000 years ago. Additionally, none of the NT passages referring to creation concretely affirm a 144-hour creation period. Why do you feel you must mock opinions that differ from yours? Is mockery some sort of defense mechanism for you? I urge to you find healthier ways to deal with conflict. Historically, it cannot be denied that the modern YEC movement has its roots in the teaching of 7th Day Adventist, George McCready Price. Much of Price's work was adopted by Henry Morris, who I assume you are familiar with. We've debated it for about 4 pages of this thread. You are the one that brought up science. I have made it very clear that I do not have a deistic view of God, so an honest conversation would be welcome. You haven't made clear what "this one" is, so I don't know how to respond to it. You are again making a false statement. I think having an honest discussion would clearly be preferable to a conversation complicated with falsehoods. I do not doubt His omnipotence in the least. I believe God could have created everything in the universe in any way He wished. However, based on the evidence He has made available, it certainly appears that He created through evolution. Thank you for admitting this is your opinion. I understand this opinion because I spent the first 20 years of my life firmly believing in a young earth creation, until I saw that what I was taught was full of errors and what I wasn't taught about evolution was factual. It took me years to come to the position I now take on evolution, it was not a snap decision based on pressure in academia. I have a proposal. I'll watch the videos if you agree to dialogue without malice, mockery, and falsehood. Assume that those here that confess Jesus Christ are genuine in their faith, even if you disagree with us. What do you think?
  5. I'm afraid you don't know what a "logical fallacy" is. I made a true statement about historical misinterpretation of the Bible. If I had said "others were wrong in the past, therefore evolution is true", now THAT would be a logical fallacy. You are amusing :-) I'll be happy to discuss the scientific evidence for evolution with you, if you are interested. You sure don't shy away from making false statements, do you? I worship the One True God, who died for me and offered me reconciliation through the death of Jesus Christ and eternal life through His resurrection - no other. The same is true of me. Perhaps the issue of when and how creation occurred is not as important spiritually as the acknowledgement of God as sole Creator.
  6. That would be a really silly argument since I never claimed that Jesus and the apostles affirmed evolution. Six-day creation was historically the predominant view. It was also once the predominant view, based on scripture, that the sky was a solid dome supported by pillars, that the earth was flat, and that the earth was stationary. Why do you suppose these views changed? I think it is possible that Jesus did not set the record straight because the original audience of Genesis and His audience of listeners did not have the scientific knowledge base, and a prolonged explanation would only detract from the main point - God is responsible for all Creation. But what I do know is that the verses you used do not affirm a 144-hour creation, regardless of how many times you insist that they do. In Mark 10:6, Jesus could have easily said something to the effect of "Since the creation week, God made them male and female", rather than "From the beginning of the creation". The passages just do not say what you want them to.
  7. Ok, but that still doesn't change what the Bible says. It is also a FACT that none of the verses you quoted make the claim of a 144-hour creation. Maybe you can find some more cartoons to distract from what is obvious.
  8. It does not surprise me in the least that you consider yourself a prophet. To you, "What the Bible actually says" + "What I think" = "What the Bible REALLY says".
  9. It should be obvious that the passages you quoted require your own (fallible) interpretation to be added to what is actually written. Of course you assume that the hermeneutics are good - they are yours. Absolutely, I agree with this 100%. Absolutely not. The passage does not in any way require that creation occurred in 144 hours. No, what is clear is that you are adding your own opinion to what is actually recorded in the Bible. Why should I admit otherwise?
  10. While these verses affirm creation (just as everyone involved in this conversation does), they do not affirm a 144-hour creation period. There are many individuals (I am one of them) that accept both evolution and the existence of Adam and Eve. This verse still does not affirm a 144-hour creation period.
  11. I'm not accusing you of it, just pointing out the fact that you refused to read them. You said so yourself. You didn't include a link. It's a little frustrating when people demand evidence, and then won't look at it isn't it? So until you provide evidence that other young earth creationists disagree with Wise and Wood, it is just your opinion. After all, talk is cheap.
  12. What Biblical passages do you rely on to support this statement?
  13. I do not. Personally, I don't think there is nearly enough evidence indicating that such a thing is possible. Additionally, I think God's direction, while it cannot be proven by mere scientific evidence, is apparent in all of His creation.
  14. Excellent, I’d like to emphasize that there are more important points we agree on than the points we disagree on.
  15. I want you to show me evidence. Otherwise, it is just your opinion.
  16. I never claimed that the lizard examples was evidence of a new species. I claimed it was an example of evolution. I have given you verifiable evidence of evolution, and you don't want to see it. I have provided verifiable evidence that you made an incorrect statement. I can't blame you for wanting to drop the conversation. Love, peace, and joy to you, as well.
  17. Really? How is it "judgement" to state that you don't know anything about me other than I accept evolution as a tool of God's creation, when you do not? Regardless of what you once believed, you do not know me. It is false to claim so. My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction: For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth. (Prov. 3:11-12) I will accept correction from the Lord, not from one who thinks it appropriate to assume His role.
  18. This is a good start, now produced the evidence that they disagree with Wood and Wise. "Talk is cheap. Produced the evidence." You aren't the only that can play the "produced the evidence" game.
  19. Why? Those that are convinced that evolution is a thing have seen examples of many animals (coelacanth, horseshoe crab, etc) remaining relatively unchanged for extremely long periods of time. Must humans be somehow different? Seriously, I want to see if you agree with me on this... I'm convinced of this. Are you?
  20. No rush, it would just be interesting to discuss. We can agree that God's creation is wondrous and a testament to His power and transcendence.
  21. I have seen reports that mutation rates are increasing, but I'd like to see the report of exponential increase. It would be interesting to discuss. This is incorrect. In large genomes like that of humans, most mutations occur in sequences that have no bearing on fitness. These are "neutral" mutations. Many of those that do affect fitness do so in a negative fashion, but there are also those that add fitness. I agree 100%. One of the things I love most about my job is learning about new scientific discoveries that show us more and more about His awe-inspiring creation!
  22. Two points regarding this: 1. Read the passage and think. Who do you think "your brother" is? I don't know you, but I do believe it is safe to assume you are also a Christ-follower. Like it or not, we are brothers. 2. If you are going to pass judgement on your siblings in Christ, it might be a good idea to know what you are talking about. You don't.
  23. You do not know anyone’s thoughts, words, or deeds, yet you presume to judge. Matthew 7:15 “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.
  24. You do not know what is in my heart, nor do you know what is in Barbarian’s. Yet, you presume to cast judgement even though you are completely ignorant of our hearts. All you know is that we have a different view of Genesis and the evidence God has made available to us. That is not enough to make the assumptions you are. Shall I suggest that you take a look at Proverbs 16:5 and claim that you will be convicted?
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