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The story of the baby Jesus speaking found in Suras 19:29-31 and 3:46 parallels that in the apocryphal works: ‏But she pointed to him. They said: How should we speak to one who is a child in the cradle? He said: I am indeed a servant of Allah. He has given me the Book and made me a prophet. And He has made me blessed wherever I may be, and He has enjoined on me prayer and poor-rate so long as I live: Qur'an 19:29-31 And he will speak to the people when in the cradle and when of old age, and (he will be) one of the good ones. Qur'an 3:46 The following is the relevant excerpt taken from the Arabic Infancy Gospel: 1. “We find what follows in the book of Joseph the high priest, who lived in the time of Christ. Some say that he is Caiaphas. He has said that Jesus spoke, and, indeed, when He was lying in His cradle said to Mary His mother: I am Jesus, the Son of God, the Logos, whom thou hast brought forth, as the Angel Gabriel announced to thee; and my Father has sent me for the salvation of the world.” The Arabic Gospel of The Infancy of The Saviour The parallelism between the Arabic Infancy Gospel and verse 19:29-31 and 3:46 is plainly evident. There are three possible logical reasons behind this: The Qur'an has ‘corrected the omission’ of the talking baby Jesus tale from the New Testament. The Qur'an has ‘corrected the consigning of the tale to the apocrypha,’ and that the Arabic Infancy Gospel should be included in the canonical New Testament. Muhammad heard the story and mistakenly included it in the Qur'an, thinking it to be canonical and not apocryphal. The Arabic Infancy Gospel is widely regarded as apocryphal. It is believed to be a seventh century invention and was quite popular among the Nestorians, Manichaeans, and other heretical Gnostic cults. The talking baby Jesus miracle was recorded in the sira as one of the topics discussed by three Christians with Muhammad just before he revealed the relevant verses. Thus, it seems strange that the Qur'an should contain what is clearly an apocryphal story.

Never said the Bible was a Bronze Age tradition, it just records Bronze Age traditions in it both as a way of conveying history accurately and predicting the messiah who is Jesus Christ.

Nope it's well known, even the term Nasrani was only used in heretical Gnostic Syriac texts. I can show you the unparalleled story of Arda Viraz and Isra and Miraj, and how it predates Islam well over hundreds of years. Zoroastrians pray five times a day and have a name for each prayer, their prayers are also around the same time as Muslims, not to mention they do wudu in the same way as Muslims. If I showed you a picture of a fire temple you'd think it was a mosque. Manichaeans also called Jesus the son of Mary and made him out to be a divine messenger sent by God and was not crucified. Also can you tell me any prophet who went to Mecca and kissed the black stone which is a pagan idol. Oh wait I forgot Mecca wasn't built until the fourth century by Mohammed's great great grandfather Qusay Ibn Kilab as a pagan temple. Islam is wreaked with paganism, you yourself cannot explain all the pagan elements of Islam.

Not my opinions, this is your Quran and your Hadith, this is the fact your scholars can't even explain. Funny how you run when you have no more nonsense to say.

Santa isn't Christian was never used as an icon up until recently. In the Jewish tradition at the time of Christ, there was a belief in what they called the “integral age”—that the prophets had died on the same days of their conception or birth. Early Christians spent much energy on determining the exact date of Christ’s death. Using historical sources, Christians in the first or second century settled on March 25th as the date of his crucifixion. Soon after, March 25 became the accepted date of Christ’s conception, as well. The verse you quoted just shows how Jews would try to cure leprosy considering this was in the late Bronze Age, it is also well known that most of the Bible is in parables is used to reflect on the life of Jesus and his crucifixtion. This is aalso a prophecy of Jesus's death.

Narrated by Abu Huraira. Allah’s Apostle said, “When it is the last third of the night, our Lord, the Blessed, the Superior, descends every night to the heaven of the world and says, ‘Is there anyone who invokes Me (demand anything from Me), that I may respond to his invocation; Is there anyone who asks Me for something that I may give (it to) him; Is there anyone who asks My forgiveness that I may forgive him?’ In his fatwa no 12290, Sheikh Muhammad Salih Al-Munajjid in clarification and quoting from other scholar’s Fatwa ( http://islamqa.com/en/ref/12290/Istawaa), Majmoo’ Fatwa Shaykh Muhammad al-‘Uthaymeen, 1/204-205, Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said concerning this matter: “The correct view is that He descends and that He does not vacate the Throne. A person’s soul remains attached to his body night and day until he dies, but when he is asleep it ascends… It was said, night varies, and the last third of the night comes sooner in the east than in the west, so the descent of Allah to the lowest heaven, of which His Messenger spoke, happens in the east first and then in the west…” Majmoo’ Fatwa Ibn Taymiyah, 5/132 Rising over (Istawa’) and descending are two of the practical attributes which have to do with the will of Allah. Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ahbelieve in that, but in this belief they avoid likening Allah to any of His creation or discussing how He is. It cannot occur to them that Allah’s descending is like the descending of any of His creatures or that His rising over the Throne is like the rising over of any of His creatures, because they believe that there is nothing like unto Allah and He is the All-Hearer, All-Seer. They know on rational grounds that there is a great difference between the Creator and His creatures, in their essence, attributes and actions. It cannot occur to them to ask how He descends, or how He rose over His Throne. The point is that they do not ask how His attributes are; they believe that there is a ‘how’, but it is unknown, so we can never imagine how it is. Fatwa Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, 3/237-238 Imagining that there is a conflict between Allah’s descending to the lowest heaven and His having risen over the Throne and His being high above the heavens stems from making a comparison between the Creator and the created being. For man cannot imagine the unseen things of His creation, such as the delights of Paradise, so how can he imagine the Creator, may He be glorified and exalted, the Knower of the Unseen. So we believe in what has been narrated of His rising over (the Throne), His descending and His being High and Exalted. We affirm that (and state that it is) in a manner that befits His Majesty and Might.” Further in his book, ‘EXPLANATION OF A SUMMARY AL-AQEEDATUL-HAMAWIYYAH’, the author Imam Muhammad Ibn Saalih Al-Uthaymeen (page 46) says that if Jahmee asks you about anyone of Allah’s Attributes, How is it?, then reply, How is Allah, Himself? For it is not possible to seek to understand how Allah is. So tell him that if Takyeef is not possible regarding His Self, then likewise it is not possible regarding His Attributes, because attributes are part of the one described! His descending to the heaven of the Dunyaa is one of His Attributes of action that occur according to His will and wisdom. It is an actual descending that befits His Majesty and Greatness. And it is not permissible to make Tahreef (distortion) of it to mean the descending of His command or the descending of His mercy or the descending of one of His angels or any other misinterpreted meaning. The author further adds that The descending of His command or mercy is not specific only to this part of the night. Rather, His command and mercy are constantly descending all the time. The Uluww of Allah is one of His Personal Attributes which cannot be separated from Him. Nevertheless, it does not contradict what the texts have also come with of His descending to the heaven of the Dunyaa. Nothing is similar to Allah or any of His Attributes. https://mohammedirfan.wordpress.com/2011/09/07/where-is-allah-refutation-to-the-belief-that-allah-is-everywhere/ http://islamqa.com/en/ref/12290/Istawaa

Not to mention the Islamic concept of Jesus was copied from Manichaeism a Persian-Syriac heretical Gnostic offshoot of Christianity and Zoroastrianism. The Manichaeans and other heretical Gnostic sects wrote in Syriac strangely Syriac words can be found in the Quran words such as الم that appear at the beginning of certain Surahs, now for Muslims the meanings of those words have been all both unknown for a long time. Recent studies show theses are Syriac words, الم means listen in Syriac the other words also carry meanings. We can confirm due to the theology and words of the Quran that the Quran was plagiarized from heretical Syriac sects.

The argument that a group of Jews worshipped Uzair is false, it's like saying a group of Muslims worshipped Mohammed, if they did so they wouldn't be considered Muslims same thing with the Jews. Also was Mohammed not able to tell the difference between the real beliefs of Judaism and a few heretics considering he claims the Torah was corrupted and he's a prophet of God. The Quran also addresses Jews as a whole not as a faction this Hadith heavily implies the Quran meant Jews as a majority worship Uzair. Sahih Bukhari Volume 6 Book 60 Number 105 During the lifetime of the Prophet some people said, : O Allah's Apostle! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?" The Prophet said, "Yes; do you have any difficulty in seeing the sun at midday when it is bright and there is no cloud in the sky?" They replied, "No." He said, "Do you have any difficulty in seeing the moon on a full moon night when it is bright and there is no cloud in the sky?" They replied, "No." The Prophet said, "(Similarly) you will have no difficulty in seeing Allah on the Day of Resurrection as you have no difficulty in seeing either of them. On the Day of Resurrection, a call-maker will announce, "Let every nation follow that which they used to worship." Then none of those who used to worship anything other than Allah like idols and other deities but will fall in Hell (Fire), till there will remain none but those who used to worship Allah, both those who were obedient (i.e. good) and those who were disobedient (i.e. bad) and the remaining party of the people of the Scripture. Then the Jews will be called upon and it will be said to them, 'Who do you use to worship?' They will say, 'We used to worship Ezra, the son of Allah.' It will be said to them, 'You are liars, for Allah has never taken anyone as a wife or a son. What do you want now?' They will say, 'O our Lord! We are thirsty, so give us something to drink.' They will be directed and addressed thus, 'Will you drink,' whereupon they will be gathered unto Hell (Fire) which will look like a mirage whose different sides will be destroying each other. Then they will fall into the Fire. Afterwards the Christians will be called upon and it will be said to them, 'Who do you use to worship?' They will say, 'We used to worship Jesus, the son of Allah.' It will be said to them, 'You are liars, for Allah has never taken anyone as a wife or a son,' Then it will be said to them, 'What do you want?' They will say what the former people have said. Then, when there remain (in the gathering) none but those who used to worship Allah (Alone, the real Lord of the Worlds) whether they were obedient or disobedient. Then (Allah) the Lord of the worlds will come to them in a shape nearest to the picture they had in their minds about Him. It will be said, 'What are you waiting for?' Every nation have followed what they used to worship.' They will reply, 'We left the people in the world when we were in great need of them and we did not take them as friends. Now we are waiting for our Lord Whom we used to worship.' Allah will say, 'I am your Lord.' They will say twice or thrice, 'We do not worship any besides Allah.' " In this Hadith, Muhammad makes it clear that on the day of judgment he believes that there will be a special time when Jews, Christians, and Muslims will be judged apart from everyone else. What will all the Jews say when asked whom they worshiped? According to Muhammad, they will say Ezra. This is obviously false. And if any Jew from that time period said that Ezra was the son of God he was obviously considered a heretic by mainstream Jews. This kind of sonship belief is directly tied to the sonship belief of Christians about Jesus. Obviously, all Christians do in fact believe that Jesus is the Son of God so that part of the Hadith makes sense. God could ask the Christians who we worship and we would say, "Jesus, Your Son." Muhammad was ignorant of mainstream Judaic belief on this point and made a big mistake.

Lol as you say, hundreds of people are leaving Islam. Mithras have no connection to Christianity, Mithra was born out of a rock and the zoroastrians believed him to be an angel that would descend to messengers of God like Jebreil in Islam. According to the Salaf of Islam Allah keeps close to us by his knowledge, but he cannot descend unto the earth. https://islamqa.info/en/11035 Muslims are pagans, where do you think the story of Isra and Miraj came from why none other the Zoroastrian story of Arda Viraz, five daily prayers were also copied from Zoroastrianism so was is the wudu (washing before prayer). Hajj is pagan, Umrah is pagan, Ramadan is pagan, Eid is Pagan, all these holidays were done by Arab pagans before Islam. Good that you've exposed yourself as an Islamist.

I don't care. Matthew 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

I think we can both agree Islam is completely false and lies.

Welcome, I was Muslim myself, however after doing much reading it's clear Islam hasn't no ground when compared to Christianity or even Zoroastrianism.

No corruption of the Bible I myself have read both KJV and the Catholic Bible not much difference. Quran however does contain contradictory differences, the Hafs Quran and Warsh Quran don't contain the same meanings in the same verses and contain entirely different words. Our Muslim friend refused to answer my question on that. Don't expect much from Muslims, whenever I would ask them logical questions they run or go silent.

Lol Jews don't even worship Ezra as the son of God yet another lie which exposes the Quran as a fraud. Notice how you still haven't answered my question you dodge it, after all I can't expect much from someone who follows a religion of lies, to believe lies your going to have to lie.

If my God can be in three different places and phases at the same time then he's more of a God who can't leave his throne in heaven, which is one of the ridiculous things Islam teaches about God. They say God is so great that he cannot leave his throne in heaven and come down to the world, what a joke. I used to hear all the dumb stuff they would say in the mosques and school about Islam and all that silliness. You God can't seem to create a son for himself without a wife for himself yet was able to make Mary a mother of a child without her having a consort. God should be able to beget sons without any wives or consorts after all he is God. Islam has its origins reaked in polytheism and paganism. Even if Islam worships one God so what? Zoroastrians worship one God, even Hindus have the concept of one God doesn't make them right, since they still worship a pagan God not the one true God. Muslims seem to think being monotheistic makes them right but taking a pagan God and mixing it with Abrahamic myths all the while creating a mixed up monotheistic pagan cult, doesn't mean anything, if anything it's pathetic.

Same Bible if you can point out differences in theology I'd be glad to hear.

So is there a reason he can't have a son without a consort, I mean after all you said with no consort no son, oh but wait here you are now saying God can say be and it was, so as you can imagine I'm quote lost.

I'm a middle eastern Christian, don't call us Arabs. Just because we speak Arabic doesn't make us Arabs, we were Arabized during the Arab conquests, real Arabs come from Arabia and are modern day Saudis, Yemenis, and Gulf Arabs, the rest are Arabized. I am of a Greek and Syriac-Aramaic heritage so please don't call us Arabs.

There's no difference in theology in the Bible regardless of sects or denominations.

Mary had a son with no consort, is she stronger then Allah?

Jesus is The Only Begotten Son. We are all sons of God however only Jesus was the eternal begotten son of God.

My scholars say its about Jesus since David and Jesus are of the same bloodline. You can interpret it as you wish, the answer is quite clear the whole chapter of psalms is practically predicting the messiah who is Jesus.

Good bye, and God bless you, may he guide you to the truth.

I come from a former Muslim background I'm fine having friendly discussions with other Protestants so long as there's no bigotry to the Catholic or Orthodox Churches.

Nope the Roman Catholic Church hadn't reached the Levant at the time. Muslims copied it from the Greek and Syriac Christians of the Levant.