Willie T

1 minute ago, shiloh357 said:

Because you violate the terms of service and people report you for being rude and insulting.    It's not your ideas, but the manner in which you express them.   You get too emotional and angry in your posts and that is what gets you locked out.

Yet, the same thing done to me is accepted.  And there really is nothing wrong with what any of us have said.  Hurt feelings at being told we really aren't right in running others down is hardly something to go running to a crying booth about.  (Was that insulting?  No, it wasn't.... only if you choose to be insulted by just about anything you don't accept.)

6 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

No one is stopping anyone from expressing ideas.   

They certainly are.  Every thread where I have disagreed with anything, I have been locked out of.  And when I write George to ask what I have done that warrants silencing me, he refuses to tell me.  Although he did answer by posting a string of question marks...?????????

In effect, this is what this forum tries to be.  A place where only certain ideas can be expressed.  The online reputation WF has is far too well known..... though hard for other Christians to believe really exists.

6 minutes ago, Sojourner414 said:

I speak out against sin and confront those who commit it, praying they will repent.

Speaking of which: I read every post of yours going back to the beginning in this thread. Just like the Shack thread, you ignore biblical advice and twist Scripture in support of false teachers. So yeah; you have a whole truckload of "oy vey's" that just got unloaded, because just about everything  you have said in this thread is so utterly and completely wrong.

All those "Oy Veys", yet not one "Praying for You"?

I think this whole thread is what was spoken of in the Bible about rescuing people... even at the risk of getting burned yourself.  And there is no one here who is caught in that Bethel stuff.  No one need fear ever being burned because of "warning" anyone here.

20 minutes ago, Sojourner414 said:

You know that isn't going to happen; "celebrity pastors" don't talk to regular people.

 

Well, if you feel that way about this forum, no one is holding the proverbial "gun" to your head, now are we?

As to the matter at hand: all I have seen you do in this topic is chastise folks for wanting to warn others, while refusing to call sin what it is. It is the same tack that you followed in the "shack" topic, where you became rather upset when confronted in the same manner over unbiblical issues.

GOD DOESN'T PLAY GAMES, ESPECIALLY WITH THE OCCULT. THERE ARE REASONS HE WARNS US TO STAY AWAY FROM IT, AND THIS PRACTICE REEKS OF THE OCCULT!!!

If you're not going to speak out against sin and place the Bible above all other human practices and rituals, then what are you doing here?!

 

Do you speak out against our enemy, sin, or against the people caught in it?

43 minutes ago, Acadia said:

He won't reply. And even if he did once or twice, you have already said it will take "many hours" of conversation to make a difference. Who here is going to get such an opportunity with a celebrity pastor like Bill Johnson? Also, you presume he hasn't heard these Biblical objections to his teachings before; that is most certainly false. He has been doing this for many many years.

Meanwhile, Bethel has influenced thousands, and thanks to their "Supernatural School of Ministry" and their band "Jesus Culture", they are having a profound effect on the youth. (And this impact is spreading) Why should we stay silent? How can we say we truly love people if we don't warn them?

But, you aren't warning anyone.  You are sitting on a rather single-minded forum, preaching to the choir.... the members of which are all already singing the same song you're singing.

I offer you an opportunity to actually help in this situation, Cobalt.  Open up a dialog with Bill Johnson so that he will feel you are a person he wants to talk with.  Can you do it?

I have told you that you will never change anyone by slamming them.  Yet, you all seem to want to continue to keep on doing that...... almost proud that they don't want to hear you running them down.  I am beginning to think it really might be your secret hope that they will bust Hell wide open.  "Serves them right for not listening to our Holy ranting!!!"

5 minutes ago, Acadia said:

No Godly person every praised false prophets. That is false.

Paul then stood up in the meeting of the Areopagus and said: "People of Athens! I see that in every way you are very religious...…"  I'm pretty sure those people were not teaching anything about the God of another race.

4 minutes ago, Davida said:

Did Jesus or Paul sing about the virtues of the False Prophets? show us the scripture?

 

Actually, Paul did.  I just wrote about it in the post above.

Just now, Acadia said:

Should we warn others about such practices? Yes or no?

Yes.  And it is not done at places they never frequent.  Nor is it done by shaking our finger at them, telling them everything negative we can think of to say.  Even Paul opened his conversation at Athens with compliments on the heathen's high level of religion..... and even continued by using their own poets and philosophers to make a point.

2 hours ago, existential mabel said:

i would call it spiritualism /native american

 

 

 

Yes exactly so why the need to pulically grave suck. God indeed knows man so well! Also in the bible it mentions a time of mourning and not to continually do it. It then tips over into ancesteral worship plus it doesn’t honour God.

 

 

 

Ah these Christians you keep mentioning going and doing regular grave visits is not biblical. They are not honouring God. We have to let go or we open the door to all kinds of negative influences. the native American Indians do this

 

 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Séance

A séance or seance (/ˈseɪ.ɑːns/) is an attempt to communicate with spirits. The word "séance" comes from the French word for "session", from the Old French seoir, "to sit". In French, the word's meaning is quite general: one may, for example, speak of "une séance de cinéma" ("a movie session"). In English, however, the word came to be used specifically for a meeting of people who are gathered to receive messages from ghosts or to listen to a spirit medium discourse with or relay messages from spirits. In modern English usage, participants need not be seated while engaged in a séance.

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I seriously  doubt that these are angels that you say come back and communicate. angels of darkness maybe

2 Cor ¹⁴Well, no wonder! Even Satan can disguise himself to look like an angel of light!

 

 

 

I will repeat it again (for about the fifth time) I am not defending these characters standing at my aunt's grave acting all strange.  What I have consistently been saying is that I believe we are just as wrong as they are when we act the way we are acting toward them.  And we might be worse because we try to justify not meeting them in love.  In truth, do we really even WANT to try to love them?  Because getting them to see they are wrong is not going to be done by just throwing some verses at them.  (Some of them may already be more familiar with the words written in the Bible than some of us... they just have seen different conclusions.)  IT IS GOING TO TAKE MANY HOURS OF SITTING AND RATIONALLY TALKING WITH THEM.  Is that something anyone can say they are willing to do?

Well it will never happen if we take the attitude that they are to snap and jump because we told them they are worshiping demons.  We really are not "all that and an RC Cola."

8 minutes ago, Cobalt1959 said:

Explain to us how anyone could continue to talk with someone on Facebook, like Beni Johnson or Michael Brown after they have blocked you?

I see you engage in yet another mis-characterization.  No one is "running these people down,"  But the above highlighted portion is you doing so to people here.  You break the rules you want to impose on us when you engage in the behavior above.

Oh I am sorry.  Were you lifting him up, and I mistook the demon doctrine stuff that was really "encouragement?"  And, how can you expect anyone to converse with you when you write only to tell them they are hellbound?

Do any of you feel some of these characters very well may be good people?  You talk about them teaching the wrong things, but your words are arrows very personally aimed at them as people.

1 hour ago, Davida said:

Great point and scriptures Acadia! Some of us are called to be Watchers on the Wall. The Lord gave us spiritual discernment,  a strong love and great burden for us to Stand for the Biblical Truth and To Warn about these spiritual deceptions posing as Christian teachings. 

As I recall, (to answer Acadia. since this post agreed) He asked His Father to "forgive them because they didn't know what they were doing" as they shouted "Blasphemy", and murdered Him.

1 hour ago, existential mabel said:

i would call it spiritualism /native american

My compliments.  You are a rare breeze of honesty in your answers.  "Yes", that is a definite departure from Christianity, and it goes on in the midst of our mainstream congregations all the time.

10 minutes ago, Acadia said:

I really appreciate Lighthouse Trails and their research team. They always take the time to carefully document their resources.

Kind of a waste of time posting that flood.  Not a single soul on this forum has said they go along with their stuff.  I said, and I repeat... We are not treating them as Jesus would.  (And to what should be our shame, we claim there is nothing wrong with that.)

You guys seem so intent on your mission of "whatever-you-call-it" that you can't even hear what I am saying to you.  Show me one instance of where I said the crazy stuff they do is right.  You cannot do it.  But you want to disparage me because I don't feel Jesus ever told us to kick people because we don't like their practices.

1 hour ago, Davida said:

You have been disingenuous and hypocritical.

"You did it, so I can do it!" ?  I find that thinking kind of interesting.  Are you going to report yourself?  (Because I try never to stoop to that.)

1 hour ago, Acadia said:

I am not "trashing" anyone or "running him (Bill Johnson) down". Perhaps you believe Paul was doing so when he named names and publicly exposed and reproved false teachers and deceivers. Perhaps you would have told him not to bother warning believers of "wolves in sheep's clothing", false prophets and false apostles.

Paul was speaking of people his audience who were already listening to on a regular basis.  No one on this forum ever listens to Bill Johnson.  Even you guys just picked up something someone else was telling you about him.  I have never listened to one of his sermons to learn from him, and I am fairly confident neither have any of you.  (Listening to a selected segment of a video someone told us to watch to agree that it is "heresy" is nowhere near the same thing as sitting under his teaching to possibly learn from him.)  THAT was why Paul was warning about those guys.

9 minutes ago, Davida said:

It is completely disingenuous  to attempt phony virtue signalling or to  feign any fake honor when if a person is only working to defend False Prophets & wolves and tries to be an obstacle to the real Bible believing Church calling out the false teachers. 

Gosh, I'm glad you didn't say I wasn't a Christian.

24 minutes ago, Acadia said:

I have addressed his wife on her Facebook page. She blocked me, as she does all others who disagree with her. It’s her right to do so, of course, but the point is that these leaders will not listen to anyone who tries to correct or ask honest questions of them.

Again, we don’t need to speak with them to publicly address their very public “ministries.” We are to “mark and avoid” those who teach contrary to the doctrine we have received.

They probably won't.  But does that mean you do not keep posting on their sites?  Instead, why come to a place like this where none of us would ever think of attending his church, and run him down?  Did Jesus go to the Pharisees (and kept going to them), or did He just sit around the campfire with his little huddle of disciples, and secretly talk trash about them, knowing no one else was hearing his words?  Sure he warned people (not just those on his forum) but He mainly kept trying to reach the Pharisees, directly, and people listening to the Pharisees..

1 hour ago, Cobalt1959 said:

Dr. Michael Brown blocks you and then deletes your comments.  When several of us expressed concern when Jen Hatmaker and her husband, Brandon embraced homosexuality and claimed God had no problem with it, her husband deactivated his FB page and then made a new one later on.  Steve Furtick does not like negative posts.  Neither does Bill Johnson.  Greg Locke really doesn't like them.

I don't doubt any of that.  I don't happen to think much of Michael Brown either (don't know any of the others because I don't search them out) but I also don't trash Brown on forums he will never see.  I happen to think a simple statement about him such as I just made is all that is necessary.  If I wanted to call any of them names or besmirch their reputations, I would do it directly in in communication with them.

9 minutes ago, Acadia said:

Many have or have attempted to. This is not a private matter, it is a public one.

Are you aware that Paul publicly confronted people, rebuked them publicly and named names? 

But, you haven't?  OK,I see.