Mike Mclees

In John 6 Jesus addressed the crowds that followed Him after the feeding of the five thousand. Staring at verse 53 through 66 saying , " 53 Then Jesus said unto them, “Verily, verily I say unto you, unless ye eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, ye have no life in you. 54 Whoso eateth My flesh and drinketh My blood hath eternal life, and I will raise him up at the Last Day. 55 For My flesh is meat indeed, and My blood is drink indeed. 56 He that eateth My flesh and drinketh My blood dwelleth in Me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father hath sent Me, and I live by the Father, so he that eateth Me, even he shall live by Me. 58 This is that Bread which came down from Heaven, not as your fathers ate manna and are dead; he that eateth of this Bread shall live for ever.” 59 These things said He in the synagogue as He taught in Capernaum. The general public and many in the church being fleshly or carnal minded cannot perceive or understand these difficult sayings. They hear but cannot hear and they see with their eyes but cannot see. We must be born again of the spirit. Jesus said to the disciples verse 63, "It is the spirit that quickens(makes one alive) the flesh profits nothing: the words that I speak unto you they are spirit and they are life

Alright, but hear is the regional question. "and if they don't repent, what?" What is unrepentance? would it be as rebellion and unbelief? what if the Prodigal did not return to the Father?

I already stated it. You just haven't answered. Most every true believer knows what repentance is. don't you know?

Well How about that!

What does one have to do to be repentant? Does he not have to turn away from his sin or sins and confess? I would like Freegrace to answer

and if they don not repent, What ?

I read in the letters five churches are being called to repent of there issues. Would you not say that?

I disagree. Letter to Laodicea REv 16 is not precis but is very strong language that would not suggest simple loss of reward.

It is our motivations for our works that will be judged by fire weather they be good or bad, fleshly or in the spirit.

Yes, as in first Corinthians 3:12-15 the judging fire is concerning the believer's works. I think this is the same with the parable with the faithful and unfaithful servants - they are already servants of their master, so the question is, "What did you do with what I gave you?" If they were deemed to have been faithful in just a "few things" they are praised and rewarded. However, the slothful servant received a reprimand and resulting consequence (I don't believe that consequence was loss of salvation). I assume that Vineabider is referring to the wise and unfaithful servansts in Mat 24 verses 48- 51 I would like to look closer at the wording concerning the unfaithful servant. Vine says this refers to a reprimand. Lets look at verse 48 reading KJV. "but and if that "evil servant" shall say in his heart my Lord delayeth his coming; This does not relate to just a reprimand verse 51 It says "the Lord shall cut him asunder". this word is defined as riped apart or cut to pieces. This does not relate to a simple reprimand Neither does it relate to anything we would see in Heaven. Neither does weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth relate to anything you would see in Heaven.

I was just saying.

There are some things he hates and lieing and deception used as truth is one them.

I cant help but believe that he Is saddened about it.

Well this is the only thing we agree on

Actually this thread should be boycotted or shut down.

There is no oneness here in this thread.

I have study articles in my bible which I have not opened until now so I am quoting from my "age of antichrist" study. Both church history and the predicted falling away at the end time warns believers not to be naive about widespread corruption of the Gospel. At some point in church history, rebellion against God and his word will reach astounding proportions. The day of the Lord will bring Gods wrath on those who reject His truth (1st Thes 5: 2-9) Are we not seeing these things happen?

I'm sorry but this is not just friendly debate because you are teaching a false doctrine that is miss guiding Gods people down a dangerous path. You teach a disrespect for God and His word saying we can live in flagrant sin. Jesus Died for our sins but we will also die for His sake and for righteousness. I will fight you till judgment day.

I know who your two verses are speaking to and what do they have to do with OSAS? They are people who have heard the Gospel and never received it. This is an example of how you twist scripture. You need to address those who were believers but fell away as in 2nd Thess 2: 3-4. the great falling away. Can you say they are still saved? !!

This is my answer which I gave from page 14 and still today across the board. One has all of the promises as long as he believes and remains in it. If any turns back from his faith and belief, will not enter into Heaven. One must confess his sin and repent! You need to repent!

It means I do not have to continue here and you have a nice day.

I don't appreciate being swarmed.

Oh I believe what He says. Its you I question.

Now read it again where it precisely says those who live this way will not enter into His kingdom

Do you see where God justifies flagrant living in unbelief