Mike Mclees

Well I expected as much from you. I believe you want to corrupt Gods word against itself. You wanted something precise and a gave it to you. Like I stated once before. I'll see At the judgement seat.

gal 5: 19-21 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, and they are these: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, quarreling, rivalry, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 envying, murders, drunkenness, revelings, and such like. About these things I tell you again, as I have also told you in times past, that those who do such things shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.

Jesus also said those who Love me keep my commandments. Those who live after their flesh willfully are not keeping His commandments . Does God look the other way? Those who sin willfully will not enter into Gods kingdom.

Thats fine Believe what you want.

unambiguous adjective un·am·big·u·ous ˌən-am-ˈbi-gyə-wəs Synonyms of unambiguous : not ambiguous : CLEAR, PRECISE

I wouldn't hold your breath.

And if they are not precise that means you are right and we are wrong?

One has to have been a believer to be apostate.

There is not enough time to fight this out and that what you want. I really don't care what you think of me. Many scriptures have already been given.

You have a bible sir and I suggest that you might read it. Do you think I would lie about it. I believe you think this is a game you play and I'm not playing this game with you. I have been born again for over forty years and I no the truth.

Scripture warns of wolves in sheep's clothing.

1st Peter 5:8 Brother and sisters, Be Sober, be vigilant, because your adversary the devil as a roaring lion walketh about, seeking whom he may devour. There are many false teachers in Christianity in these last days. Don't be a victim.

One has all of the promises as long as he believes and remains in it. If any turns back from his faith and belief, will not enter into Heaven. One must confess his sin and repent! You need to repent!

Well spoken Deighann

No thanks! We've been there and done that. See you at the Lords judgement seat.

What you want though is to say we never have to account to God for sin and that is not true. You want to erase all scripture that says different and that we need to confess our sins so that the Lord can apply His grace. This is dangerous teaching and it is false teaching otherwise the other scripture would not even be there. We need to see the whole of scripture and its teachings.

Yes while one chooses to stay in His hand, right? You do have a choice, right? You can choose to take a little sin bath any time Right? Stay right there and bask away.

Truth ALWAYS has an answer to false teaching. ALWAYS. And I never hesitate to combat false teaching by giving clearly worded verses that refute the false teaching. Since you won't directly address either verse (Jn 5:24 or 10:28), I can only conclude one thing. True no one couldn't take from His hand, but are you in His open hand or is He keeping you in a closed fist?

This is to long winded. Could you be more concise? However, God has given us chioce. He does not force anyone. God said to Israel " in my hands is life and death, therefore CHOOSE LIFE". Jesus is as a lifeboat. You need to grab His hand to get in.

I would say then let the enlightened of the Lord depart from those who error.

In the part of your post where you are asking me about those people who deny their faith. "Are they still saved?" We are saved because we believed...but not every one who believes will continue to believe all their lives. Some for deferent reasons they will stop believing and embrace some other religion like Islam or Buddhist or even become atheist. If that happen out of their own free will and it was their own univocal decision then these people are not believers in Jesus Christ anymore. They do not have the faith of Jesus in their heart, and for that reason they cannot be under the blood of Jesus Christ anymore...they are not saved anymore...they were saved as long as they believed...but now they do not believe, they are not saved anymore. Thank you for your answer Friend and we can then contend that those who do not repent of known sin are also denying their faith and will lose their salvation.

We are talking about born again of the spirit not the flesh. You are talking like Nicodemus. Could you give an answer to my prior question about the great falling away?

Let me ask you something. The great falling away in 2nd Thes: 3-4 comes to me. This takes place before the man of sin is revealed. Tell me if these people who deny there faith, are they still saved? It says in Revelation that we need to be overcomers. It says "and they overcame him (satan)by the blood of the lamb, and the word of their testimony, and they loved not their life to the death" Are those who fall away still saved?

Did Peter deny Jesus three times and repent in teers? Was Jesus in him and he in Jesus.

Im not talking to the repentant but the unrepentant. One has to come out of the dark to find grace. You say one can retain his salvation without repentance. We may as well go back to wild west. Twist it any way you want.