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  1. Steve Conley

    Defense of the Pre Trib Rapture

    Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, Why do pre-tribers insist that blood-bought saints of God will fall under God's wrath, when the Scriptures say different? I don't want to hear from a single one of you crying that you don't believe or teach that. The fact is that if you believe that the seventieth week in its entirety is the period of God's wrath, then you believe that the "tribulation saints" experience God's wrath poured out upon them. God delivered Noah before His wrath fell. God delivered Lot before His wrath fell. Paul says that the church is not appointed unto God's wrath upon the day of the Lord, so, He will deliver the church before His wrath falls. But pre-tribers teach that those dearest of saints who suffer the most severe of persecutions, that they will experience God's wrath. Many even teach that the persecution of these saints, our brethren, is the wrath of God through the Beast. God does not pour out His wrath upon His own. Pretribulationism stinks to high heaven. It is a foul odor in the nostrils of God. Hallelujah
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    Defense of the Post-Trib / Pre-Wrath Position

    Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, Osaes, the disciples asked Jesus what sign would signal His parousia. Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? Jesus answered the disciples' question. In doing so he mentioned some events that would precede His arrival at His parousia. Some are of supernatural origin and some are the actions of men. One of them is the darkening of the sun, moon, and stars which Joel said precedes the day of the Lord. Joe 2:30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. Joe 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come. Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. Another is the abomination of desolation Jesus spoke of. It is the defiling of the temple by the man of sin, which Paul says must take place before the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together unto him. Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Jesus spoke of the unprecedented persecution that would come right before His return. Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. He also spoke of the great deception, even great signs and wonders done by the false prophets. Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Jesus referred to many signs of His parousia. They are all literal events that are easily recognizable. Your problem is with Jesus and His words. I love my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. I hear my Saviour's voice and follow Him. Your ramblings are not from my Lord Jesus Christ and your curses, let them be upon your own head. 1Co 16:22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.
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    The Olivet Discourse

    Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, This chapter is not all about the Jews, nor is it given to the Jews, it is given to the followers of Jesus Christ. Here is a quick exposition of Jesus answer through verse 31. Now let's take a look at that text again. First notice that this is the second longest discourse of Christ recorded in the Gospels. It takes place within a few days prior to His crucifixion. Within that same period Jesus told these same disciples (and us) "I will come again and receive you unto myself". The discourse was addressed initially to four of His disciples who were with Him on the Mount of Olives. But we know it was also intended for us the readers of Matthew's account because Vs 15 says "whoso readeth, let him understand". The four asked Him a question with three parts. "Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming (parousia), and of the end of the world (aeon)?" The first refers to the timing of the destruction of the Temple which took place in 70 AD. The second and third are answered together, because Christ's coming effectively ends the present world (aion = age). They asked Jesus to tell them of the sign that would portend His return, that is His parousia, His second coming. In verse 4 Jesus begins to answer their questions. (Only Luke records Christ's answer to the first one concerning the destruction of the Temple). Lets look at what He says concerning the sign of His parousia. Remember He is answering "what shall be the sign of thy coming". Therefore what He has to say is in the context of that future day. First He warns that there will be deceivers in that day, and false Christs. Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. He speaks of a time of conquest, war, famine, pestilences, and earthquakes that He calls the beginning of sorrows. He lets us know that these are not the end of the age. It is important to recognize that these conditions closely correspond to what John sees at the opening of the first three seals. Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. He goes on to say that next there would be violent persecution upon followers of Jesus Christ for Christ's name sake. Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. Because of this persecution many will be offended, that is fall away. Just like those who were represented by the stony ground which gladly received the Word but were offended when persecution came along, so these also will fall away. Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. At that time many false prophets shall contribute to the falling away by their deception Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. However, He says that those who survive to the end of the persecution and the end of the age, will be saved (delivered Dan 12:1, raptured) Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Then He says, the gospel shall be preached throughout the world before the end comes. It is interesting that the Great commission which was given to the founding members of the church and continues to be the responsibility of the church today, closes with these words "...lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen." Jesus said He would be with us in the making of disciples and in the teaching of those disciples, all things whatsoever He taught. He said he would be with us unto the end of the world (aeon). The disciples understood that His coming would inaugurate a new (aeon), the present would end at that point. We continue in Gospel ministry until the second coming of Christ. Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Jesus now gives further details concerning the persecution He began to speak of in verse 9. We know this by the use of "therefore" in verse 15. He says the unprecedented persecution begins when the rebuilt temple is defiled (abomination of desolation) in the middle of the week by the revelation of the man of sin (the Beast). He says to the inhabitants of Judaea that when they see that happen to flee. Most prophetic statements of the Scripture are centered around Jerusalem in Judaea, so we would expect Christ's warnings to be centered there. However, Rev 13 makes it clear that this persecution will be world-wide. Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: Jesus further describes the severity and scope of this persecution saying that it is unprecedented. Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. He says that it is so violent that it will threaten to extinguish every believer form off the earth. To save some of the elect alive upon the earth He says those days are cut short. We should note that this is the first use of the word elect in the account. We see that it is the elect who are being killed in the unparalleled persecution. Remember from verse 9, those that are being persecuted, are persecuted for the name of Christ. These elect are not unbelieving Israel, they are us, the saints of God, the church. Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened. Again Jesus warns of false Christs, and the lying wonders that they will use to deceive those who profess Christ. He says the deception will be so great that if it were possible even the true believer would be deceived. This is the second use of elect in the text. Here Jesus implies that the true elect cannot be deceived by the signs and wonders done by the false prophet. However, unbelieving Israel is still in blindness because the fullness of the Gentiles is not yet come in. Rev 7:9-17 describes an innumerable multitude of primarily gentiles that came out of great tribulation. These are said to be saved just as we are, in the blood of the Lamb. If God is still calling out a people for His name from among the Gentiles during the great tribulation than Israel still remains forensically blinded (Rom 11:25). Therefore, the elect, who cannot be deceived, must be the Church. Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. The age-old adage is, “to be forewarned is to be forearmed”. With these warnings Christ has armed us against deception, specifically that deception related to His arrival at His parousia. He says that His coming (parousia) will be unmistakable, as unmistakable as the smell of the dead to carrion eating birds. Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before. Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. Jesus then tells us what event signals that the unprecedented persecution is over. It is an identifiable cosmic sign, the very sign that Joel and other prophets said would precede the day of the Lord. Following the cosmic sign the whole world will see the wonder of Christ in heaven as He comes with His holy angels. They will mourn in fear, having been caught unawares, like a thief in the night catches the unsuspecting home dweller. He will then send His angels to gather His elect, the persecuted, to Him in the clouds. Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Hallelujah
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    The Olivet Discourse

    Greetings in the name of the lord Jesus Christ, Babel Man, wow, we actually have a point of agreement. You might want to reconsider your position on that text. Many pre-tribbers see those people being taken to judgement. Some have even said, "I want to be left behind", in the context of those verses. Nevertheless, Matthew's account of the Olivet Discourse focuses upon Christ's arrival at His second coming, therefore, those taken, are taken in the catching up of the elect. Both verse 31 and 36-44 refer to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together unto Him. Paralambano from which "taken" is translated is the very word Christ uses in John 14:3 translated "receive". Are you sure you don't want to reconsider your position on that text? It is much harder dealing with a mixture of truth and error than it is with a teaching that is entirely false. John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. However, concerning your end time scenario, you need to scrap it and start over, it is utterly irredeemable. All praise, honour, and glory be unto the Lord Jesus Christ.
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    The Olivet Discourse

    Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, Pops, 1 Cor 15:51-58 says absolutely nothing about the rapture. Also nowhere in Scripture does it say that the rapture is or was a mystery. The mystery refers to the fact that you don't have to die to be changed. Both the dead in Christ and those believers alive at His coming will receive a new immortal body. The benefit of the resurrection will be had by every believer whether having died or not. 1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. Just because the catching up happens after the resurrection and change doesn't mean it is the same thing. Hallelujah
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    Just How Close is the RAPTURE?

    Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, Pops, what was Jesus discussing in chapters 16 and 18 where He uses the word church? What was Jesus talking about when He commissioned the disciples, to make disciples and teach them all that He had taught them. He said that He would be with them in their disciple making until the "end of the world." That is the same "end of the world" that Jesus was asked a sign for in Matt 24. If you indeed know Christ, each one of these inconsistencies that you have been shown will no-doubt be brought to your attention when you stand before Him to give account at the judgement seat, unless you repent and correct your error. There is still time to help those within your sphere of influence. Hallelujah
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    Defense of the Post-Trib / Pre-Wrath Position

    Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, Oseas, you have got to be kidding. When one begins to "spiritualize" the clear words of the Prophets, Christ, and the Apostles they make them to mean anything they want. What you are doing has nothing to do with the Spirit of God. However, the idea that you present is likely "spiritual" because many false doctrines are said to come from demons, and they are spiritual beings. Whoever taught you this foolishness you need to put away from you. The Scriptures were given in the common language of the Israelites, and the common language of the Greek speaking world, with a little Aramaic thrown in. The Scriptures reflect the common usage and meanings of the words used therein. What you present is some mystical "spiritualization" of these words. Such is more consistent with the antichrist, hidden knowledge, of the Gnostics. The proper hermeneutic is a literal interpretation of the texts. Only when the text is intended to be symbolism, allegory, metaphor, etc., which is common in the use of all language, do we set aside the literal understanding of it. In such cases there is clear indication within the text, that the Author intended an other than literal meaning. The texts that you make reference to have no such indication. The so-called "spiritualization" of a text is not the faithful exegesis of it. "Spiritualization" is the co-opting of a text for one's own purpose. The faithful preacher will work to present the text with the meaning that the Author intended to the original recipients. All praise, honour, and glory be unto Jesus Christ our Lord
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    Defense of the Post-Trib / Pre-Wrath Position

    Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, WilliamL, nearly 3 years ago I began to do exactly what you said. I had believed the pre-trib rapture model for 40 years and taught it for 30. It was Joel 2:31 that forced me to decide between what God's Word says and what I was very familiar with and taught. It forced me to understand that the eschatological wrath of God which comes on the day of the Lord must take place after the great tribulation. I realized at that point that the Scriptures, which I thought prevented the church from being here during the great tribulation, didn't apply to the great tribulation at all. The wrath that we are said to not be appointed unto in 1Thes 5:9, in context, is the wrath that begins to fall suddenly on day of the Lord from verse 2 of the same chapter. That initial collision with the truth of Joel 2:31 started me down the road which has found me only using explicit statements of the Scriptures as a foundation and framework for my eschatological model. I have found that this Biblical foundation and framework fits very well with what, in recent history, has come to be known as the pre-wrath rapture model. Do recognize that there might be some small differences among those who hold this model. Pre-wrath is consistent with the historic belief of the churches that they would see the antichrist and experience unprecedented persecution (great tribulation) before Christ would return to gather us unto himself. It is also consistent with the belief of an any day return of Christ, once the Antichrist has been revealed and a notable falling away occurs (the falling away is the result of the unprecedented persecution and great deception). The historic writings of the saints that expressed an air of any-dayism, was due to the fact that they thought the antichrist was on the scene and that the persecution that they were experiencing was the great tribulation. How about you William, are you willing to do what I have already done. An examination of the following verses will yield that the great tribulation is not the day of the Lord and therefore not the wrath of God that we are said to not be appointed unto. Joel 2:31; Rev 6:12-17; Isa 2:19; Isa 13:6-11; Matt 24:21, 29-31; 2Thes 1:6-10; Luke 17:26-30 Hallelujah
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    "Tribulation Saints" - A Fly in the Pretrib Ointment

    Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, Pops, the belief that the church would see the antichrist and experience great tribulation goes back to the apostles and is seen in every generation since. The teaching of the secret rapture (pretribulationism) came along ~200 years ago. In spite of Spurgeon's and Tregelles' opposition, that false teaching took a foothold in the churches of America and England and has grown like a cancer ever since. You are one of its victims. However, you are now victimizing others with this deception. You're promising a great escape that will never come. God's wrath in the day of the Lord doesn't come until after we are resurrected and raptured ending the great tribulation. (Joel 2:31; Matt 24:29) Hallelujah
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    "Tribulation Saints" - A Fly in the Pretrib Ointment

    Dan 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
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    Just How Close is the RAPTURE?

    Dan 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
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    Revelation and the Study of Woe

    Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, Pops, is it hard for thee to kick against the pricks? Are you agreeing with Babel Man, that his rendition of Joel 2:31 (the meaning of "before") is better than Peter's or Luke's record of it? You still have some time to help some people. Hallelujah
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    Revelation and the Study of Woe

    Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, Babel Man, what you are saying is that your interpretation of "before" is correct and that Peter's, Holy Spirit moved, quotation of it was in error, or that Luke's, Holy Spirit moved, recording of Peter's words was in error. So you are placing your interpretation above that of God, the Holy Spirit. Let God be true and every (Babel) man a liar. I think I dealt with your false teaching before (prior to today) on another web sight. Notice, I clarified the word "before" for you, because I know you have a hard time with it. It is amazing the lengths of Scripture twisting that one will go to, to prop up an utterly unsupportable eschatological model. Concerning your frequent boasting: 2Co 10:18 For not he that commendeth himself is approved, but whom the Lord commendeth. Hallelujah
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    Just How Close is the RAPTURE?

    Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, Steven, I understand fully where you are coming from, I taught the pre-trib model for 30 years. I believe I can show you where you are making an assumption which colors the rest of your eschatological understanding. When you jump from Luke 3:7 to Matt 24:21 you are making an assumption. If you wish to have firm footing for your eschatological understanding you must from the text of Matt 24 derive what great tribulation is. From that text or any other it cannot be shown to be the wrath of God. Jesus makes it rather clear what "great tribulation" is in Matt 24, if one will simply observe the time related words and the connecting adverbs, like "therefore". Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? (Note that the context of Christ's answer is the end of the age, the time period of His parousia) Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. Mat 24:9 Then (following the beginning of sorrows) shall they deliver you up to be afflicted (thlipsis), and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. Mat 24:10 And then (during this persecution) shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then (when the gospel has been preached in all the world) shall the end come. Mat 24:15 When (the timing of the defiling of the temple spoken of by Daniel) ye therefore (refers back to the persecution that follows the beginning of sorrows) shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Mat 24:16 Then (at the defiling of the temple, the abomination of desolation, which begins unprecedented persecution) let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: Mat 24:21 For then (at the defiling of the temple) shall be great tribulation (thlipsis), such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Mat 24:23 Then (during this unprecedented persecution) if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before. Mat 24:26 Wherefore (because of false Christs) if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. Mat 24:29 Immediately after (at once, following the unprecedented persecution) the tribulation (thlipsis) of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: Mat 24:30 And then (subsequent to the cosmic sign) shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then (at the appearing of Christ) shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. I hope this helps you to see that great tribulation is the unprecedented persecution of the elect and Israel and not the wrath of God poured out upon the day of the Lord. Nothing is said in this text about the wrath of God. All praise, honour, and glory be unto the Lamb
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    Just How Close is the RAPTURE?

    Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, First of all, not a single one of these verses say that Jesus could come unexpectedly at any moment and rapture us. These verses teach watchful expectancy, not imminence. Secondly, these verses refer to the one future coming (parousia) of Jesus Christ. It is the "second" (Heb 9:28) coming, and there will not be a third. It involves His "revelation", in such "apokalupsis" all the world shall see our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ and the holy angels coming in the clouds of Heaven. Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. Thirdly, the context of 1Thes 5:6 is the day of the Lord (vs 2) which is His second coming. Christ's activity that is recorded in Rev 19 is not His arrival at His parousia, it is the destruction of the Beast and the armies that follow him at the end of the week which happens long after His arrival. Enough for now. Hallelujah
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