Dan_79

28 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

This is not the correct profile of Paul, you have pick bits and pieces, to built a Paul , some of those pieces they don't belong to him. Or they are discarded pieces of the past. 

Paul is different, and as a Jew he will never speak against works of charity.

Is this not what James was talking about.

 

 

 

 

Hi ycf

I have included the passages that are at variance between Paul and James and explained why I think Paul is inconsistent with what Jesus taught.

I raise issue for debate only, I am not a judge of Paul but I will say or bring this up on relevance to other posts that give precedence to Paul which contradicts Jesus.

This is about one instruction being 100% faith while other instructions warns it is to be faith AND good works, which keeps the the OP.

Can you show me which passages are wrong or have been discarded.

Thanks

16 hours ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

Someone aint reading much of what paul writes .  that man warned out more against sin and warned how such will not inherit the kingdom than most .

WELL , due to we have most his letters .    Paul and james preached an identical concept .    You saved by faith ,  but it their is no real works ,  ITS LIP SERVICE .  

Paul and James are largely at variance.

James was one of Jesus close disciples.

Paul never met Jesus and denounced Jesus close dicsiples as superlative (which is sarcastic in its context)

Paul is 100% faith

James is faith and good works.

The Churches and ministers get heavy tribute for preaching Paul as he was pro authoritarian (which is effectively usurpation of the LAW).

This shows me faith can be misplaced and works can be misguided. Paul effectively had faith in the Roman authority (which according to the apocraphy) resulted in his death. Irony being the works of the government did not work out all that good for Paul and with no good works to fall back on himself as he said you don't need them.

Ok say I go around boasting that I am saved because men say I am, what regard for God and my faith in his judgements do I really show towards him or in my heart?

I have faith in Jesus, I have faith in Gods LAWS too (neither contradict eachother or are at variance).

Satan (who has already been condemned) and his minnions keep whispering you can save yourself! 

Luke 17:33

Catholicism teaches that you can be a criminal mobster and as long as the hail M for that session as long as you confess (as opposed to refrain from the sin you confess) your ok...AND saved.

Some of the most evil people I have met all seem to be cock sure of their salvation and in doing so have no other compulsion to do any good works, effectively the one thing they believe saves them stops them from being saved.

See the danger?

My instructions are to endure in faith till the very end of my life and to give the same chance to those who hear his voice using good works, speak the truth, be humble in correction on error and protect and help those that seek him.

Its called the day of judgement for a reason.

Paul’s doctrine of belief and faith rather than alongside good works brought him into conflict with Jesus’ handpicked disciples who knew Jesus personally and better understood his teachings.

The apostle James in obvious response to Paul’s misleading preachments countered:

“Faith by itself, if it has no works is dead” - James 2:17

“A man is justified by works not faith alone” - James 2:24

“As body without spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead” – James 2:26

That is because since the begining there were only man who had the holy spirit of God breathed into them. Anything else is universalist heresy preached by the governement endorsed churches.

How can someone without the holy spirit do good works? 

Who was given the holy spirit: Adam

Paul himself alluded to this doctrinal confrontation with Jesus’ handpicked disciples:

“If someone preaches another Jesus different from the one we preach…if you receive a different gospel from the one you accepted…I think that I am not in the least inferior to these superlative apostles” - 2 Corinthians 11:4-5

Lol.

“I do not understand my own actions, for I do not do what I want but what I hate… For I know nothing good dwells within me…As I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want” – Romans 7:15-19

“Everyone must submit himself to the governing (Roman) authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority (of Rome) is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves” - Romans 13:1-2

Jesus did not give tribute to Rome as he loved his father.  "My kingdom is not of this earth" 

Oh....the Roman kingdom isn't of God....there is a suprise lol

“What I am saying, I say not with the Lord’s authority but as a fool in boastful confidence. Since many of you boast, I too will boast” – 2 Cor 11:17-1

“But through my falsehood God’s truthfulness abound, why am I still condemned as a sinner?” – Romans 3:7

What I write is true. Before God I do not lie! - Galatians 1:20

That's right Paul.... by faith or is it Saul the murderer by works?...

Is your truth a work or your faith a falsehood?

Which one is it Paul?

You seem to serve Rome and God... So which one do you LOVE and which one do you HATE? (Mathew 6:24)

33 minutes ago, Deborah_ said:

And yet people who live wise and godly lives still get sick, while some wicked people live long and prosper. 

Proverbs are generalities, not rules; there are always exceptions. You just cannot say that sin=sickness

Hence the OP.

Why God would bless evil and punish good works is inconsistent to the whole book of the bible and would encourage lawlessness. 

If God hated Esau but blessed Jacob (ISRAEL)

If its said evil people can fool us into thinking they are Godly (mans poorer judgment) then Godly people can be fooled or led a-stray to do wicked (mans poorer judgement) can only be percieved by man in the present generation he lives to experience.

47 minutes ago, Deborah_ said:

Look at John 9:1-3

Jesus warns us that although sin can result in sickness or disability, we can't argue in the reverse direction and say that sickness/disability are always the result of sin.

I don't think Scripture does answer your question except to say that these things happen to the human race on a grand scale because sin entered the world through Adam, and we can't control them.

 

The Bible gives us the foundational key to physical and mental health.

That key is simply this: “My son, do not forget my teaching, but keep my commands in your heart, for they will prolong your life many years and bring you prosperity . . .

This will bring health to your body and nourishment to your bones”

Proverbs 3:1-2, 8.

Jesus referred to the Prostitutes and tax collectors as a form of sickness as it spreads so does the sickness...

All actions that carry punishments (cause and effect).

The physical sickness has a root cause.

1 hour ago, enoob57 said:

Satan desires to make his place among us...

Ephesians 4:27 (KJV)

[27] Neither give place to the devil.

Our place is to give him no place....

I agree.

Which is why many claim to be Christians but do not hear the voice of Jesus calling.

We are sent to find the lost brothers and sisters, if we get no joy we move on for the sake of the others. Jesus didnt stay stationary nor did the apostles either.

7 hours ago, Yowm said:

You should know whether you are saved or not...

He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
(1Jn 5:12-13)

Not to know is a joy thief.

 

I have yet to be judged.

My heart and actions will show if I have believed on the son as anything else is a lie.

7 hours ago, Yowm said:

Peter, being a disciple of Jesus, says differently...

And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
(2Pe 3:15-16)

Whichever side you take with the faith/works issue, know this, Peter and Paul were in agreement.
 

(for he who worked through Peter for his apostolic ministry to the circumcised worked also through me for mine to the Gentiles), and when James and Cephas (Peter) and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given to me, they gave the right hand of fellowship to Barnabas and me, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised. Only, they asked us to remember the poor, the very thing I was eager to do.

Until here, but Paul was correct.

But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. For before certain men came from James, he was eating with the Gentiles; but when they came he drew back and separated himself, fearing the circumcision party. And the rest of the Jews acted hypocritically along with him, so that even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy. But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, “If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?” We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified. But if, in our endeavor to be justified in Christ, we too were found to be sinners, is Christ then a servant of sin? Certainly not! For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor. For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
(Gal 2:8-21)
 

Hi Yowm.

Can you define the word Jew please in these passages of scripture?

I don't want the gun to go off half-cocked as it were.

Is a Jew an adherent of the religion of judaism who denied Christ (accepted the curses unto their children) and who still attend buildings called a synagogue, a Judean or a person of the land of Judea which held a mixture of different people or a Judahite (a person who is from the tribe of Judah) which is synonymous with ISRAEL (the people) and hebrew?

They do not all mean the same but only when referred to as JEW for the purpose of lies are they collectively done so.

I don't affiliate with the link below but offer it in good faith for the point of referrence.

http://fathersmanifesto.net/webster-and-the-term-jew.pdf

Rev 3:9 gives us a clear warning about this.

(I see the red warning signs again lol.)

Please make this as clear as possible so I can answer to your post correctly.

Thanks

7 hours ago, Yowm said:

One thing it DOESN'T mean, which a movement 20-25 years ago tried attaching to it, was a thing called 'generational curses' even amongst Christians. That concept is refuted here...

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
(Gal 3:13)

So, whatever curse due to a certain iniquity is being referred to, it no longer applies. (IMHO)
 

Jesus did not say this though did he?

Mathew 5:17

29 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

Bible teaches that we are fallen creatures and we live in a broken world.  Our bodies breakdown.  There are no generational curses and the Bible does not say that God curses children for their parents' sins.

What about the verses at the top of this thread?

Divide and Conquer.

I don't think it has anything to do with dislike or hate.

When new Christians are coming out of a Godless paradigm (seeking the fold for safety), life has up to that point instilled a great division in their psyche, individuality and perpetual rivalry, ego, insecurity of mind etc leaves some scars that only Jesus can heal, your change of heart (made of stone) that brought you to God has been replaced with flesh.

When someone new to Christianity tries to join an established group of Christians and is confronted with such hostility of opinion, the safety in numbers that is shown by such strong unity can feel like the choice of conformity is being presented to that persons mind.

The formidable need to survive in a group runs contary to swimming upstream with only your own learning to get you there, your bible and personal faith in the lord and messiah Jesus Christ, should be enough.

It is not the differences in opinion that shouldnt be put to the test, only the strongest and closest to the truth will ever exist longer than dogma or ignorance. Is that not what the forum is for?

I am begining to wonder what purpose I have visiting a internet forum filled with opposing views seeks to achieve for me personally.

Defeatest? Unloving, cold?

Or a personal distraction.

I need the Lord Jesus and scripture. I need it to guide me, so what do I honestly expect to not have people try and change my views, as much as I could possibly change theirs.... If we are all on the same page we would be singing the new song in unison.

Getting there aint going to be easy.

With love it becomes a joy. The truth is love...

6 hours ago, Yowm said:

So, whatever curse due to a certain iniquity is being referred to, it no longer applies. (IMHO)
 

Ok. If a physical disability is not to be regarded as a generational curse (or a blessing) how does it still come to directly effect a single generation?

Physical and mental conditions and disabilities are clearly on the increase (autistic spectrum, adhd, aspergers etc) whether caused by diet or pharmacuetical drugs I don't claim to know but increasing they are (as a population grows so does the availability of disease it is carrying become amplified)

Does scripture have an answer as to why this is?

Gregor Mendel's works regarding the inheritence of physical characters and traits of heredity was around and to be published roughly at a similar time as the (more popular and soon to be state endorsed) works of Charles Darwin.

Heredity was big business and a topic you were encouraged to discuss openly without censorship in those days.

Mendels works showed and successfully proved that physical injury (or call it a condition or disability or increased susceptibility to disease) can be visited upon plants, animals and mamals, purely by the unions of previous parentage and thus dictated by heredity mainly through admixture (allowing a disease carrier to enter a healthy population and multiplying the carriers).

Im not suggesting like some have in the past that healthy equals riteous and disability is a (generational) curse and thefore evil, however it IS something that can be clearly evidenced by the union of previous generations even when faith, guidance on health and sanitation and church attendance is applied afterwards. 

During the Edwardian and Victorian breeding crazes of plants and then animals, the projects of dogs, pigeon breeding allowed the breader a learned, documented insight to new genetic weaknesses and succeptability to genetic deformities as being determined purely guided by the genetics of heredity (outbreeding vs inbreeding and resulting health from crosses or pedigree).

Many of these debilitated specimens did not become apparent straight away during the breeding processes or shown in the immediate generations (f1 f2 etc) and were discarded (judged by the breeder as useless).

Today we have a much more enlightened view of the same only the screening of such has become valuable to preventative measure using DNA screening (examples are genetic diseases being a result of two matching genes in any population being the cause and given a odds per appearance like 1 in 100,000).

I wondered what the possibility could be in context of the biblical verses regarding man like in the examples above.

Is there such a thing as an unholy hetrosexual union in the bible and could it of been warned of in the above verses of the bible as something that could visit someone 3 generations later?

How does the scripture found in the bible approach this topic?

Wasn't one of the two criminals crucified with Jesus "saved" on the cross during his last dying hours, while the other criminal did not? 

Just saying.

Yes that was helpful.

The point made of the environment is a crucial one.

Could an unholy union between man and woman mean the same thing?

For example, say I was born out of parents that were not married etc, after 3 or 4 generations the institution of marriage is still not observed, could this mean iniquity of the father?

18 ‘The Lord is slow to anger, abounding in love and forgiving sin and rebellion. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation.’ Numbers 14:18

The Lord...visits the iniquity of the fathers on the children and the children’s children, to the third and the fourth generation. (Exodus 34:6-7 = Deuteronomy 5:8-10)

What does this refer to?

What is this iniquity? I have data mined the bible for this word but I get so many different meanings of what this specific iniquity is being told it could mean if a paticular sin then what?

Can anyone define exactly how long is a generation in scripture please? 

Thanks

13 minutes ago, Davida said:

Your claims that I omitted Jesus words were --false. Your claim something about adding something from Isaiah -- false.  Your color analysis  are --false and truly bizarre.   

The claim about highlighting being equivalent of shouting- I guess the highlighting Red letter Bibles are shouting too so- U Better go tell the publishers. 

Using your color analysis is like using horoscopes or numerology. 

If you say so  ...

Just to answer your points

No I did not, no.

Your welcome.

"Where your at" (?)

Be careful.

The Greek word translated "tares" is ζιζάνια (zizania), plural of ζιζάνιον (zizanion).

This word is thought to mean darnel (Lolium temulentum), a ryegrass which is I am to assume what Yowm was refering to.

Some suggest that this word instead refers to some vetch species, perhaps motivated by the King James Version translation of

ζιζάνιον as "tares" a common name for vetch, which is what I was referring to.

Red is often the chosen color of the descendents of Esau: 

Rothchild (red shield), the red menace (communism), the red devils (man utd) red as in danger, spilt blood and in nature as awarning hence the reference was lost etc

Blue is the chosen color of DAVID whose decendants carry the septre.

But is uneccessary if making a point anyway, the words or message do the talking right?

rather like shouting in CAPITALS. 

Easier to agree to disagree. I am happy to accept I am wrong if I am like you say. See how easy that was!

I'm certain you shall have the last word. I nearly forgot what thread we were in lol

15 hours ago, Gary Lee said:

Agreed.    I had a dysfunctional childhood into young adulthood living with my alcoholic dad, and  heroin addicted brother . The lesson I learned is, until the drug addict has all the enablers removed, family, friends, meth treatment etc, that have been pulling them out of the ditch, they will continue their lifestyle. When they discover they have nobody to pull them out anymore, the realize, laying in the ditch, it's up to themselves to change.

Concerning devaluing human life, my wife and I discovered by chance what was going on in the government run schools in the early eighties. They issued new  government mandate to all schools introducing situational ethics, known as Values Clarification, earlier back in the seventies. We discovered this when our third grade daughter told us that when  in her class, everybody sitting in a circle, the teacher ask this question; You were on a ship that had sunk, now in a lifeboat with twelve others, you are in charge. In the raft is a pregnant woman, a young  girl, a very old gentleman, a disabled man, a doctor, two children, etc, etc. Then you are told you are in charge of the raft, which only holds six people. 'No' the teacher says, you can't have six swimming holding on, and then change when tired. You must decide who stays, and who does not. Third graders. Up until that time, my daughter valued all life the same, but now she had to "clarify", which life has more value. Guess the old man has already had a life, and maybe the disabled man cannot work , so they have less value. But the pregnant woman is like two so she can stay, and the two children, etc,etc. The "lessons" change morals and values in the young mind, in the privacy of the classroom, and this is unknown to the parents. This has happened, and is happening. Another case of our enlightened elite NEA/gov  using our kids as guinea pigs, and other sinister motives. Immediately took our kids out from their influence and taught them at home.  One of our best family decision. Anyone can verify at links below.

 

https://www.gospelway.com/topics/family/values_clarification.php Values Clarification, Humanism, Morals Education in Public Schools

Child Abuse in the Classroom, edited by Phyllis Schlafly            Great Christian woman.

Well done for being in touch with your daughter in such a way you could see this problem happening before it got worse.

I could write a book about what went on in my high school. 

Nowadays In the UK teachers are being given NLP training which is a form of bending someones will using their own skill pattern.

Gender confusion is rife in our schools and PC censorship goes with it hand in hand.

The whole thing is horrible.

1 hour ago, ayin jade said:

Btw, in the us, morticians can take bone sections from your legs to sell to companies for bone grafts. They can do it without anyones permission. So the chances are likely that you wont be whole anyway when you are buried. 

I have 3 bone grafts now from such donations.

This proves that if consent is not an issue with the health system or no big deal then while:

A: The patients who benefit can sing the praises that come from this practice.

B: The established system that the morticians work towards, puts no limit on what can be used or taken from the deceased and it is allowed to develop into a multi-million dollar industry within the private health care industry. Effectively using the dead to make the living agree a price for health or even a life!

So while good can and does come out from it, so does greed and corruption too.

The problem I see ahead there, is if someones deceased body becomes valued higher than it is living. (the whole being less than its individual parts type thing) and who on earth becomes the judge of valuing? (where consent is a non issue or totally missing).

Aldus Huxley wrote about this but never gave a solution of how to stop it.

Luke 9:60 

Mathew 10:28

Jesus and his chosen deciples say yes to doing good works.

Paul seems to think differently and preaches faith only.

Perhaps others will say that is incorrect and I would welcome their advice on this myself as Paul is at variance to Jesus and his deciples on certain things which although has not effected my trust in the Lord has led me to search for answers (the truth).

In theory if you abstain from sin you are only left to do good works. A passive good work might be not having been a burden for example. While an active good deed might be discribed as above doing something for somebody that is helpful.

Faith being either strong or weak, without works is said to be dead by some but not by others.

All of it however will be judged according to the Law which God commands and Jesus reiterated this in the NT. Which leads me to look more closer at what I should or should not be doing (and is itself a pro active decision based on choices guided by faith in prophets the Law and God as judge). 

I have absolutely no idea if I am saved or not because I cannot be my own judge (of my complete lifes work/s deeds or actions or how strong or weak my faith is....I simply do not know).

If Im told by man I am saved I might just take my foot off the gas.

If I fear God I will step in line, if not then I don't care and cannot learn to do what is expected.

4 hours ago, Davida said:

 Hi Dan, Sorry , but , I disagree with you're take, as the scripture says "the tares and the wheat grow up together" and  "the tare looks like wheat" , the Lord waits til the end so that in pulling out the tares the wheat aren't also pulled out.  The tare looks like wheat - it looks like a sheep but it's not, this cannot be describing any others but within the Church. 

English Standard Version

The Parable of the Sower

"1 That same day Jesus went out of the house and sat beside the sea. 2 And great crowds gathered about him, so that he got into a boat and sat down. And the whole crowd stood on the beach. 3 And he told them many things in parables, saying: “A sower went out to sow. 4 And as he sowed, some seeds fell along the path, and the birds came and devoured them. 5 Other seeds fell on rocky ground, where they did not have much soil, and immediately they sprang up, since they had no depth of soil, 6 but when the sun rose they were scorched. And since they had no root, they withered away. 7 Other seeds fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up and choked them.8 Other seeds fell on good soil and produced grain, some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. 9 He who has ears,a let him hear.”

The Purpose of the Parables

10Then the disciples came and said to him, “Why do you speak to them in parables?” 11And he answered them, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12For to the one who has, more will be given, and he will have an abundance, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 13This is why I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14Indeed, in their case the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled that says:

“‘“You will indeed hear but never understand,
and you will indeed see but never perceive.”
15For this people’s heart has grown dull,
and with their ears they can barely hear,
and their eyes they have closed,
lest they should see with their eyes
and hear with their ears
and understand with their heart
and turn, and I would heal them.’

16But blessed are your eyes, for they see, and your ears, for they hear. 17For truly, I say to you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.

The Parable of the Sower Explained

18“Hear then the parable of the sower: 19 When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart. This is what was sown along the path. 20 As for what was sown on rocky ground, this is the one who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy, 21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while, and when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately he falls away. 22 As for what was sown among thorns, this is the one who hears the word, but the cares of the world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and it proves unfruitful. 23 As for what was sown on good soil, this is the one who hears the word and understands it. He indeed bears fruit and yields, in one case a hundredfold, in another sixty, and in another thirty.”

The Parable of the Weeds

24 He put another parable before them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field, 25but while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat and went away. 26 So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared also. 27 And the servants of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have weeds?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ So the servants said to him, ‘Then do you want us to go and gather them?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest in gathering the weeds you root up the wheat along with them. 

30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, “Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but   gather the wheat into my barn.”’”

Hi Davida

See how you needed to interpret it yourself to make your point, that the "Wheat and Tares" look the same and that you omit the words of Jesus who clearly say's the Wheat is sown first and is easily distinguishable from the Tares. 

“Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but   gather the wheat into my barn.”

If they look the same how can they be so easily seperated?

Google images of "Wheat" which have ears (a head at the top) 

Now google Tares ...they often have tendrils (being classified amongst peas of the legume family) and can only use them once they have a host to climb.

“The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field, 25but while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat and went away."

The Tares although allowed to grow together with the Wheat were NOT sown together at the same time and being weeds do not produce a desired crop, they hinder the growth of cereal crops as they take nutrients that the cereal crop would otherwise have available.

"Let both grow together"

You then inject your own biblical passages to somehow make another point (Isaiah) about prophecy of the coming of Jesus (the first time, not the second time ie the harvest).

(interestingly you chose RED to do this which ironically is the flower color of Tares mixed with royal blue "David" producing a counterfeit royal blue or reddish purple).

The Wheat will grow up with the Tares.

Correct.

But you failed to see which one in Jesus' parable was sown first and why this is very important to observe in detail as it tells you the Tares will be sown afterwards and will grow amongst the Wheat. 

You have tried to inter-mingle distinct parables together (you mentioned sheep and goats earlier) now your arguing Wheat and Tares looking the same.

I believe the organised denominational churches are sown "along the path"

I hope you are of the good seed.

You can have the last word

3 hours ago, enoob57 said:

I think the Lord said we are to control our thoughts and imagination

2 Cor 10:5

5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
KJV

Yes. We are!

Our Lord will search our hearts also.

Jeremiah 17:10

Alot of this organ donation rests upon "consent" and if the WHO are to be believed it is an international business now. The poor feel extended to sell their body parts for financial gain and there is organ traffiking which exploits areas where there are to be expected war casualties which is manufactured consent.

If you or I was ill and dying and refused to accept an organ to save our own lives are we giving someone the oportunity to recieve the organ we could of taken for ourselves?

3 hours ago, Abby-Joy said:

You make some great points. 

Also, when one receives donor organs or even blood, there are spiritual aspects that most overlook. Sins, generational curses, etc....

Many have experienced personality changes as well as changes in likes and dislikes. Another that many don't talk about is the fact that memories are stored in every cell of the body. So the recipient could experience reliving or having flashes of the memories of the deceased person they receiced an organ from. (This is the same reason scientists are interested in cloning...)  

You got me thinking now!

What if a child of Israel was to recieve the heart of an Edomite?

And then I remembered this:

Mathew 5:30 

I know some people will not like me for saying this: but the outcomes or consequences can sometimes far outweigh the warnings.

Some people are purely driven by emotion only, so when the media shows a little innocent girl needing say a heart or lungs transplant etc and creates a massive campaign/ charity to find her a doner, that is all they see. Who could possibly go against helping this poor little girl? That is the cause...

On the reverse side of the same coin we have a different effect to the same cause. We had the example of people who in knowledge of a few of these cases being successful began to let their guard down.

When a famous ex man utd player needed a new liver. He had abused his body his entire life, it was the reason for him needing a new liver as he began to experience jaundice which was a symptom of liver failure.

He was a national treasure in the sports world and was given a second chance and was given a new liver that his body successfully accepted.

He continued to live from where he left off and died that way.

He abused this gift of new life and due to his status over shadowed possibly numerous adults on the same waiting list as he was on, that seemed to be left out of the dialogue. No one thought he would go back to being his old self....who would if faced with a similar life threatening situation?

The key here in this case was the new liver was not enough to nor could ever stop what the heart really desired.

10 minutes ago, Davida said:

Well, Dan ,I felt I needed to explain & clarify  what Islam states as you continue to claim it to be "the tares"  and i've attempted to explain to you Islam has nothing to do with the Bible or our scriptures and it is not the "tares" in the parable. 

Tares are simply "bad seed" Jesus outlines this perfectly. The bad seed will be of the wicked one and sowed by the devil.

The devil dev-ours.

It was not a parable about

Wheat and Goats

or

Sheep and Tares.

.

Look here it is:

36   Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

37  He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38  The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39  The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40  As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

41  The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42  And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43  Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear

12 minutes ago, Davida said:

Islam is a false religion that has nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity.  False religions make all sorts of claims & what it claims has No bearing on the Bible and Christian teachings of the tares. Islam states that Jesus is a muslim prophet and not the son of God and their belief is that the Christian bible has been corrupted. The Bible parable about the tares is about those who are not born again believers amongst the true Christians and they will be separated when Jesus returns. 

 

I never said Islam WAS Christianity.

I said Islam came AFTER Christianity. So I know whose prophet Jesus is thank you.

I don't understand your notion of "false religion".

TRUTH and religion are two distinctly seperate things.

You cannot define the word religion as meaning Christianity anymore than you can define Islam to mean the truth. 

I do not accept your meaning of the Wheat and Tares for the reasons I have shown you.

Offer me scripture to support your statement please.