Dan_79

What avatar? I dont use one I just type and use free wifi lol.

Does the avatar supplied resemble anything on land or in the sea or sky?

I thought you owed Caesar what belongs to him? Plus your submission to any or all governing authorities present and future otherwise you will suffer Gods wrath?

1 minute ago, Yowm said:

The sun and rain fall both on the good and the evil...and  so do my taxes.

It's really the government who make the decisions where to allocate the money that will have to answer to God...as well as those who refuse to pay their taxes.

Well Im ok then as scripture says and you quite rightly point out ....pay what you owe/what is due.

That means you have to owe it first

I dont owe them tax as I dont use a NI number or their services. I dont even have a passport because I am not cargo anymore lol I dont have to give them tribute as I dont have any money and as that is the only way they accept tribute (the graven images) God prohibits this as you already know.

So how will you resist what your owed?

2 minutes ago, Yowm said:

Nope. I will simply go against that which is in clear violation of Scripture. I have done a lot of resistence type work both before Christ and after, I don't plan on changing that. But I still pay taxes because that is a clear directive to us as Christians.

So you do your good bit before and after (funding the very fallen men you say you will be resisting in the future) lol

3 hours ago, Yowm said:

Again due to the Fall (you seem to leave this point out about the Fall) God has given man the mandate to put to death those who shed innocent blood. It takes an organized group of individuals to make that decision. I'm afraid by bypassing this, man becomes his own government independent of God such as those States which abolish Capital Punishment.

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.
(Rom 13:1-7)

You may want to rebel and follow the spirit of witchcraft but you will have an accounting for that before the Judge of the universe. 
 

According to your chosen scripture you automatically become owned by the state.

Your free will is directed to the will of any or all the fallen men that make up Gods government, with a limited incentive to actually keep Gods commandments.

If you dont give tribute to the homosexuals you recieve Gods wrath, likewise avoid homosexuality altogether and you are rebelling against God lol.

Wrath if you do right wrath if you do wrong.

Its all about the "wrath" lol

Which begs the question who is there left to rebel against?

Ok So what about rebelling against a one world government? I take it you will be submitting all to it to avoid Gods wrath?

Lol

“If we cut the world’s population by 90%, there won’t be enough people left to do ecological damage.” Sam Keen at the State of the World Forum, September 27, 1995

If I am not banned I will return later.

I still have seeds and seedlings to plant this evening so have to go for now.

6 minutes ago, Still Alive said:

I see it as specific instructions to specific people. Our founding fathers violated it big time, assuming it applied to them.

Was the USA blessed by this action or cursed or even punished by God?

(by their fruits ye shall know them)

19 minutes ago, Yowm said:

All men are not equal due to the Fall.

Govt. Enters here...Genesis 9:5-6 NKJV
[5] Surely for your lifeblood I will demand a reckoning; from the hand of every beast I will require it, and from the hand of man. From the hand of every man's brother I will require the life of man. [6] "Whoever sheds man's blood, By man his blood shall be shed; For in the image of God He made man.

No one has said governments are immune to committing crimes...that's due to the Fall too.

We live in an imperfect world, that includes governments and taxes...that's due to the Fall too.

 

Please help me.

I see the command from God to honor justice for the crimes that cause the death of a man by commanding punishment must ensue. If the animal causes the death it must be killed, so must any brother love God first and fulfill such a punishment by his hand. But I don't see the connection to government there. Unless of course you mean God is government?

Basically we are to reward (read punish) in that scripture. It is regarding individuals who God gives the statute. It is not defined as some organized institution to visit that needs tax to complete its mission.

2 minutes ago, Still Alive said:

For me, the scariest chapter in the bible is Romans 13.

Fear God.

Romans was said to be quite inspiring to some. Others claim it was written by a liar.

I guess faith is the all important part of it really.

4 minutes ago, Still Alive said:

Amazon has a copy of the contract available pretty cheap. I'll order it and read it. I'll then get back to you on what it says about who owns what.

Hey Still Alive!

If you think it takes precedence at this point in the discussion above the bible (save giving tribute to amazon in the process). We can see or find out where government is mandated by God (the owner of the joint).

Thanks.

30 minutes ago, Yowm said:

You seem to overlook the fall and all the evil perpetrated on the earth as a result, thus the necessity of government to restrain evil which cost $$$ in taxes.

Hang on Yowm...

Your jumping the gun my friend.

Just help me settle my confused mind here please.

When does government enter humanities history? Or is there a pertinent part of history where men on Gods earth get bored of "free" stuff and decide to create a way to pay for stuff instead? 

Assuming all men are equal and have the same work ethic for acquiring the basics of food and shelter (which up until this point can only be hindered by joint effort of any community) and/or the curse of the land to procure for Cain has been lifted/fall through faith.

You also introduce an assumption that government is about prevention of individuals evil using tax only (which since the dawn of government has never worked) and that governments are therfore immune to collective individuals commiting crime and evil within government (tyranny).

14 minutes ago, Yowm said:

 

Are you suggesting God does not own the earth and all that is in it, or are you committing a categorical fallacy?

I asked you brother Yowm.

Who owns the world and everything on it?

You told me it is God. I happen to agree with you! I think you are correct.

It naturally follows everyone has access to materials land and food, no man can be homeless? God has given the every individual a whole earth to live on, no restrainsts as he gave law and advice on how to cope with life on earth... A free gift and use of any permitted food for sustenance so there can be no reason for anyone becoming hungry and enjoyment? Everyone is happy!

 This means that there are a notional four acres available for every man, woman and child in the predicted 2050 world population 0f nine billion

Praise the LORD.

17 hours ago, Yowm said:

GOD owns the earth and all that is on it.

Hang on a minute...

Are you suggesting God commands us to pay for what he told us he created for us to have, use AND enjoy?

I am confused here. 

23 minutes ago, other one said:

LoL, actually it is a conspiracy and Lucifer/Satan is behind it...

Yes, it would seem so other one!

How does one explain to someone, what the attributing factor is that would have 98% of the earths inhabitants needing to pay for materials, food and water that are freely available?

The materials that are needed to build a house come from the earth and are free to obtain.

The fruit about to drop in ripeness from the tree is free.

The water that comes down from the clouds is free.

All animal life does not pay to live on the earth either.

The heat from burning wood is free too, it just gives heat once it is started by what ever free method used and using wood that is free.

So what attributing factor changes something from being free to not being free, even scarce amongst obvious abundance?

Are you suggesting Satan commands we pay for things that God gave us or is there something else happening here?

So has someone stolen the planet God made for us to live on? 

Last time I checked almost everyone is now paying to live on the earth?

Where did man take out a mortgage to live on his fathers land that we read he gave to his children... 

It doesnt make sense...

He gave us animals to eat and every seed bearing plant etc... All of which produces and gives freely...

What is going on?

Its a conspiracy lol

17 hours ago, Davida said:

The increase of refugees in the UK could be do to the influx of refugees that the UK gov is taking in , overwhelming the system and the displacement some of the population & poorly managed creates a systemic overload. 

The government has agreed to accept unlimited refugees. Kind as it is, the flip side is the government have accepted full financial responsibility for their future and the unemployment situation and social schemes just cannot keep up with it as homelessness was never dealt with prior to the wars that creates the need for people to move to safety.

The competition for housing that was already a fight for the homeless is now expanded and as resources automatically have a greater demand put upom them, so does the availability and thus the prices for them become raised.

Cause and effect will automatically dictate the outcome as a further reliance on the government, initially to redistribute the wealth or resources over a perpetually growing population. Tax.

It can only cause more homelessness if the homeless already without, have to compete with more people of the same economic status, who continue to arrive.

Or the lowest wage realize their ability to pay for the rising cost of living makes it un economical to work at all ( some argue it invites incentives from other economic areas including money derived from criminal activity if there are no jobs).

It does help the construction industry as the need for housing increases but land will dwindle and prices automatically will go up as land becomes scarce thus creating very opposite of what is being called "affordable" housing. Policing will be in greater demand as desperation to meet living expenses as pitted survival against morals appears as the axis of existential thought.

I took in 2 homeless people over one winter. One was in and out of a hostal and the other I knew via a friend of a friend and was sleeping on everyones sofas everyone taking turns to help him, he eventually outstayed his welcome or circumstances almost always came to a head where he was either thrown out or the person who's house he was staying asked someone to kick him out.

I managed to get one of them evicted from my own home (he turned on me and I learned he had a history of violence in his family) the other I was able to encourage to turn his life completely around, I found him work, found his own place (he got his own front door key) he managed to get his driving done and the best thing was it enabled him to get back in touch with his mother who he could show her he was trying to change and he was both grateful and we stayed friends for about a year....

I assesed the situation as a good time to help myself as the whole experience did leave me exhausted both mentally and physically due to absorbing all the financial responsibility etc

About four yours later I bumped into him, he had a long beard and greasy hair tied in a pony tail, he was gaunt in the face and quite obviously homeless again.

That broke my heart that did.

I spoke to him and he said he was ok and still had his place (I knew he had lost his home).

The only thing that I could deduce was he was lonely all the time, he had some pretty bad life experiences that left him vulnerable, he was lonely when I met him and I remember warning him about the company he kept was part of the cause of his decline in prosperity and he was unable to shrug the worst of it off I reckon, his loneliness was other peoples path to exploiting him. I learned from some people I worked with in homeless circles (mainly the local soup kitchen) that others had learned of his place and used it for themselves.

Very sad. Lesson learned is you can help people if you have the time and will to do so but without maintaining it and being able to see it through for an extended time then the possibility does exist for these folk to sink back into old habits or get sucked into other peoples circle of friendships that lack guidance.

Not sure I could go through all that again but it taught me prevention is the key, these people I met through working with the homeless all had life changing experiences and probably no one to help them at that point in their lives.

No parent would want their child to end up homeless but some still do. 

Revelations 2:2

“I know all the things you do. I have seen your hard work and your patient endurance. I know you don’t tolerate evil people. You have examined the claims of those who say they are apostles but are not. You have discovered they are liars. 3 You have patiently suffered for me without quitting.

4 “But I have this complaint against you. You don’t love me or each other as you did at first![a] 5 Look how far you have fallen! Turn back to me and do the works you did at first. If you don’t repent, I will come and remove your lampstand from its place among the churches.

6 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

Dan,  you spooking the lil children by not answering the RFID question .      Give the children some peaceful thoughts .

ITS WICKED DAN .    to put that ceasar beast system chip or tattoe of rfid in GODS TEMPLE .    Now I got to hear you say that .    You say that

and we can continue the conversation .     SO let me hear you say it .  

I answered if you look back.

You will all get what you all paid for or gave tribute too.

The warnings were there long before I came along....

9 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

Taxes do ,  but JESUS knew ceasar the roman system was wicked .   WHO you think ran Jerusalem in those days .  ROME DID .

Did the jews pay rome taxes ,    YES .    MARY and JOSEPH went to be taxed.   THEY PAID THEM TOO .    

DID they agree with ROME ,   NO WAY .    did they render unto God that which was HIS ,   YES , they just rendered unto Caesar that which was HIS .

NO matter HOW wicked a KING or RULER IS ,    FACT IS    ,  GOD APPOINTED THAT ONE for whatever reason HE SO DID.     Pharoah , GOD set up

NEBB , GOT SET UP .   ALL KINGS are appointed and all KINGS FALL by reason of GOD .     We pay what we pay .  we just do not conform or obey that law which is evil .

I KNOW the govts are wicked to the core .  

People get what they pay for.

If you pay God your attention and pay him honor to hia commands you recieve what? 

A. Health care or pension plan?

If you put all your heart and soul into a "job/career" that you allow most of which to be attributed to a government what do think you will recieve? 

Eternal life?

2 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

Taxes do ,  but JESUS knew ceasar the roman system was wicked .   WHO you think ran Jerusalem in those days .  ROME DID .

Did the jews pay rome taxes ,    YES .    MARY and JOSEPH went to be taxed.   THEY PAID THEM TOO .    

DID they agree with ROME ,   NO WAY .    did they render unto God that which was HIS ,   YES , they just rendered unto Caesar that which was HIS .

NO matter HOW wicked a KING or RULER IS ,    FACT IS    ,  GOD APPOINTED THAT ONE for whatever reason HE SO DID.     Pharoah , GOD set up

NEBB , GOT SET UP .   ALL KINGS are appointed and all KINGS FALL by reason of GOD .     We pay what we pay .  we just do not conform or obey that law which is evil .

I KNOW the govts are wicked to the core .  

Not asking about Kings etc..

What is the ONE thing that is demanded from ALL earthly governments?

God commanded you give to him first foremost and ONLY to him what?

8 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

By all means that is true .    But I kinda would like to hear your answer on the rfid in the skin .   

RFID or changing the Sabbath by government decree at punishment of death...which one is it? There are so many I would say no to in an instant.

What do you reckon fotl?

What do you attribute all this evil from?

7 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

WELL , I went ahead and answered that ,  because I am sick and tired of watching so called christains none the less seeing NO WRONG in taking this chip or etc in GODS TEMPLE .

I warn us all ,  DO NOT DO IT .   DO NOT DO IT and one more time , DO NOT DO IT >

How does a government get so powerful.... All that tribute?

Something must of helped attribute this one world government?

6 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

WE are GODS  , our BODY is HIS .   our temple , our body is not even ours ,  ITS GODS .    so I am glad you brought this up.

Cause the dark ceasar and ceasars of this world will soon ask us all to render unto ceasar that which WE OUGHT NOT .

THEIR IS one thing the dark ceasar and his kings will ask the world to do ,  even now it is and has began .

Before I say what it is,    let me remind us one more time .     You are not even your own , your body ,  your temple is not even your own

we have been bought at a price ,  OUR Body is not even ours .   this too is why paul would say flee fornication.

SO what is this that ceasar and his all inclusive religion will soon ask .       FOR US to be either chipped or tattooed with rfid into ceasars wicked beast system .

THAT IS HOW SERIOUS this is .     THAT IS HOW SERIOUS THIS IS ,  it is an outright betrayal to GOD HIMSELF .

For years the govts of the world has done all to get rid of GOD from any and every fabric of society .    AND they will now want us to BE LINKED right into that GOD HATING SYSTEM .

AND it will be in the ONE THING that was GODS and not even ours .   IT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST ,  IT IS and most no longer see it for what it is .

Fear God.

4 minutes ago, Yowm said:

Discovering the Second Half of the Gospel?

So before jumping the gun and giving tribute maybe it is a good time for everyone to ask what is Gods and what is Caesars?

I really don't think a half Gospel is good enough either.

You never ask what is Gods and what is Caesars though and so lose the truth of the gospel.