1 minute ago, Yowm said:

Tell me what?

why did Paul write so extensively on the Christian walk?

My understanding (standing under) Paul is that every drop of blood any government spills to which we give tribute we owe to Jesus.

The government that killed Jesus or even the one world government all rests upon one single verse that was commanded by Paul to submit to.

Every wrong the government does in your name (with your tribute) you will be made to answer for.

It is no laughing matter or casual nuance that all of the misery everyone is experiencing is hinged upon Pauls "guide" on the road to Damascus.

Paul’s angry fight against the three pillars of our Christian religion (James, the brother of Jesus, and Peter and John) mystified, because Paul wins the fight by somehow proving that James was wrong about his own brother, and amazed, because I now realize our whole Christian religion might be based on the teachings of this one man’s vision.

1 minute ago, Yowm said:

I don't pit Paul against Jesus as some do.

Then try and answer your own question.

Paul wants to tell you something...

Can I ask...

What are the primary causes of homelessness?

1 hour ago, Yowm said:

Some people need to make up their mind.

If the Gospel is what Christ has done for us, then to include sanctification in the Gospel is equivalent to saying Jesus does our sanctification as well and there is no cooperation needed on our part. If that is the case, why did Paul write so extensively on the Christian walk?

Tell them all Paul...go on..give it to them...you know you want to...

More than 250,000 are homeless in England - Say's Shelter. More than a quarter of a million people are homeless in England, an analysis of the latest official figures suggests. Researchers from charity Shelter used data from four sets of official 2016 statistics to compile what it describes as a "conservative" total.1 Dec 2016 (bbc).....

That was 2016.....

2017.....

One in every 200 people in UK are homeless, according to Shelter

Charity used official government and FoI data to estimate 307,000 people sleeping rough or living in inadequate housing

That is alot of land and projects needed 50 thousand people a year increase in just one year!

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-expanding-support-to-beat-homelessness

Polly Neate, chief executive of Shelter, said: “It’s shocking to think that today, more than 300,000 people in Britain are waking up homeless. Some will have spent the night shivering on a cold pavement, others crammed into a dingy hostel room with their children. And what is worse, many are simply unaccounted for.

“On a daily basis, we speak to hundreds of people and families who are desperately trying to escape the devastating trap of homelessness. A trap that is tightening thanks to decades of failure to build enough affordable homes and the impact of welfare cuts.”

The rain water? The land?

The trees and the fruit? The plants and their seeds? The metals? The animals? The fish)

Who owns it?

17 minutes ago, Gary Lee said:

Back to the concern of the homeless;  There is a wealth of opportunities available for anyone willing.

Homeless People Plant a Huge Organic Garden, and Feed an Entire Shelter

https://www.good.is/articles/residents-homeless-shelter-plant-organic-garden-feed-shelter

 

 

Homeless Shelter grows own food

https://www.westrivereagle.com/articles/homeless-shelter-grows-own-food/

 

Our Mission

Empower individuals out of homelessness

Create dignified work & safe spaces

Grow and share food

Serve one another

Farming Hope is a non-profit community organization bringing sustained employment and training in the culinary industry to unhoused and low-income people in our community.

We were born out of the Stanford FEED Design School Incubator in June 2016 and have been working to build radically inclusive communities in the San Francisco Bay Area since.

Farming Hope is a bridge out of homelessness. We create jobs for homeless people in gardening and use that food in cooking workshops and meals. Growing and serving food lets our folks feel valued and empowered to share their gifts.

How we do it

We foster community, service, and opportunity for everyone through urban farming and cooking.

We hire homeless and low-income individuals to join our team.

We grow produce in urban gardens.

We educate our community on how to use that produce.

We host community meals and a farmers’ market stand to gather neighborhoods and fund Farming Hope.

We support each other to be self-sustaining.

Awesome!!!

Friend-ship

When two are on board.

22 minutes ago, Adstar said:

Try reading the passage of Genius 17 in context and realize it is not talking about the covenant established with Moses..  This was God talking to Abraham thousands of years before Moses.. The Covenant was between a different covenant..  Please go and read it and see.. verse 1 to verse 14..

I have read it.

It still does not change the terms:

Everlasting.

20 minutes ago, Davida said:

I'm sorry for your problems Dan, & your frustrations about the system in the UK,  but you seem way too touchy & very quick to anger for me or anyone to have any reasonable dialogue with you. This forum discusses topics using the Bible scripture and when we bring up scripture that Paul has written you get very angry.  The Pauline epistles have some great spiritual teachings that one would miss if they toss out all of it. 

No. See there you did it again...I get angry, I am frustrated..

you aim the gun so it gets fired in the direction you want.

I was happily discussing here on points that were on topic.

The same two people who got my previous thread closed have come into a thread where I am politely and respectfully discussing the topic of homless and you both try and drag an old topic that was censored into this one for likely the same reasons....

Discussing government inadequancy that can easily be rectified by scripture.

No. Certain people get angry when you call points of scripture into question that 99% of there beliefs rest on.

You have followed me around the forum and only interjected hostility when you disapprove of me discussing something that quite obviously makes you angry.

I don't have any problems discussing Paul, you did.

I can see a template to forum dialogue everywhere I visit (religious or non religious) and it is always when the subject of government is being discussed. There are certain tricks used online to get people to get hot headed and get personal which allows for these types of discussions to be closes and thus censored.

It follows a very tired pattern, not exclusive to this forum either of trying to make some one angry by telling them that they are angry.

Your whole planet effectively rests upon one persons account of one single passage in one book who we must submit to and he chose government over God.

You can have the last word and judge me by telling everyone what you want them to think I think lol

Much love to you too.

7 minutes ago, Adstar said:

Only if The Jews kept their part of the agreement...  God intention was to have it as an everlasting contract.. But again the Jews broke the terms of the contract..

No. God is not subservient to man.

God says (not man says:)

Ever Lasting! 

4 minutes ago, Davida said:

I believe all the scripture is God-breathed as the Bible says 2Tim 3:16.   So, for sure  I do believe Paul received the baptism of the Holy Spirit and was born again & was assigned as Christ's Apostle. The Lord Jesus is GOD & knew exactly how Paul's life would go and what would be written in Paul's epistles. 

You might have just reasons for bitterness which I pray God heals , and to criticize the Anglican church in the UK , i think they deserve that but for different reasons.  I think you are kind of speaking of a naive communal utopia without regulations that is unrealistic & problematic. 

Can I offer you some reading material.

I might soften your angst and judgements you try to yoke me with.

www.hisholychurch.net/study/gods/cog5gvg.php

I thank you for your prayers

Much love in Jesus name

I dont care what you say.

You only seem to consistently show up in any thread I post in when there is already someone trying to throw me rope to hang myself.

You can say what ever you want but you almost always start your introduction by putting words into my mouth as if I said them myself.

Its a tired trick now.

34 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

Paul did have the Holy Spirit and the book of Romans is part of the inspired Word of God.  What are you?  Some anti-Paul heretic?

 

No, Paul wrote it under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.   If you reject Romans and Pauline epistles as inspired Scripture, you are probably not a Christian.

I do not care what you think. You have proven yourself to want to judge and play jury before God.

You try to draw into question my faith also.

Lol....which spirit is guiding you and the others?

Mathew 7:1-3

6 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

This goes to the heart of your claim that we should not follow the regulations of our government.  The fact is that the commandment to honor and submit to the government is not "Pauline."   It has its origin with God through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.  It is a commandment from God, like it or not.  If you say we should not follow that commandment, it puts you in contradiction with God.  We follow God and God says to submit to the government.

Nope. Only if you believe Paul did indeed have the Holy Spirit or said this freely under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

Your whole arguement still clings onto one single passage that Paul wrote, that Jesus did not preach anywhere and God did not command.

12 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

If you are loyal to God, then you will obey Him when He tells you to submit to the earthly government in what is right and reasonable.   You have a real problem, because you really don't know what you're talking about.   And you are essentially pitting your own reasoning against the commandment of God.  The sin is your rebellion against God.

I do not agree. I do not rebel against God in doing so either like you are saying. I have clearly explained how the blessing given to the land now called USA came from God (the highest governing authority in the universe) and as your Pauline commandment given to you by Paul is not part of the commandments.

Your earthly government has grown, death, war and disease, sin...you name it grows in tandem with it, it is yours to keep, not mine.

You proved nothing.

If you insist on still wanting to argue this point then feel free to start another topic on this one point alone....

like I did.

(this topic is about the homeless).

Thank you.

Keep safe while you continue your journey.

Much love in Jesus name.

11 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

I was commenting about another intentification about the one Jesus gives to those who believe in him.

He gives his righteousness and his ETERNAL LIFE. 

"So as he is so are we"

It does creates fear , the suggestion to those who confess faith in Jesus Christ, that they don't realy believe because the way they live. 

Intents to cause fear in them, the fear of going to Hell. 

So they seek to aliviate and remedy  the fear of death, or going to Hell with their good works. 

That what I said we do not live in fear because Jesus will rain for ever from the Heavenly Throne.

And we want him to stay there on the right hand of the Father. 

He can come down the way he came down and appeared to Paul after his ansention, and the way he appeared to John in the isles of Patmos. 

 

Proverbs 1:7

Mathew 10:26

The american settlers knew that any government would eventually take its own course.. The American government did not seek to go where it left off prior to escape. They went all the way back to GOD.

Man cannot obey two masters. (He will love one and despise the other)

That is a question of loyalty.

Better to check those breaks are working my brother, I beg to differ the same independance from such thought that gives tribute to government as that above God. To say it is God itself.

That is a sin to great for my heart. Much love to you shiloh

Back to the homeless?

9 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

No, man is obeying the lawful and reasonable requirements set by government. It's in obedience to Rom. 13:1-7. 

Churches have to follow the same rules everyone else does if they want to feed the needy.   It is a small price to pay to follow regulations are right and reasonable. 

You are clinging onto one passage of the bible written by Paul.

The church is to serve GOD only!!! 

Again.... if the founding fathers took your advice...

they would of submitted themselves to the government of England...

What governance did the founding fathers of the USA escape from to build the "once" most powerful civilized nation on the planet?

Was it the same government you state in Rom 13:1-7

(lawful and reasonable)

?

29 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

No, it is actually a good thing. It protects the church from liability lawsuits if someone gets sick and the sickness can be linked to tainted food that came from their premises.  Not all regulations are a bad thing.

But the church is taking instruction from the government before taking commands from GOD (who gives all intructions for mans diet in the bible), that was my main point.

Not against regulations if they mirror the ordinances on food. I found that we are not allowed to exercise basic common sense often when we perhaps could do. And I totally agree with the law suit thing...totally agree which is only possible when the church is in the governments pocket as explained.

If the food was fresh from around the church and needed it wouldnt have time to sit in a distribution warehouse for 18 months gathering dust or be allowed to go off at all.

Common sense on what you can or cannot store dictates this.

No need for expensive fridges or freezers as everything you eat would be in season (just like the ordinances in the bible dictate) and give you peak nourishment. That is before we even touch on livestock on such land (eggs milk meat...)

What man has to store can be done using a natural fridge which is using the stable temperature of below ground and is free.

42 minutes ago, Debp said:

Good idea, Dan, about the growing of food in vacant plots of land.   Of course, you need the permission of the owners of the land, but I've heard of this being done several times.

Usually, the poor families will be allowed to each farm a small plot of their own.   The needy families are really grateful for the opportunity.  They care for their gardens and then harvest their crops.

Oh, about the supermarkets...here in Los Angeles I understand the markets donate the food that will soon be too old to sell.

Thanks for your kind words.

I have heard of this over the pond here innthe UK,

We have similar government rules that make supermarkets sell stuff close to "end of date" more cheaply ( yellow label) and was born out of the public learning just how much edible food is thrown away that the supermarkets dispose of annually and was dicovered by freedom of information request (the new rules only serve to make the supermarket look good and give a show and to hide the fact that there would be no one hungry if this food was redistributed to a shelter where the hungry could use it).

The food bank stuff needs to be "bought" first by the customer at "retail" price before it can be donated (that means tax and profit come first).

And the foodbank has a list of what they tell you they will accept! (I wont go into that....lol)

But this is all in the UK.

The churches should be serving the needy in their congregations with the land anyway, otherwise they lose answer for why they need it at all or for what purpose is it a help to anyone just as a custodial. 

Here is a church

"constitution"

www.hisholychurch.net/mission.php

www.hisholychurch.net/home.php

I have found online (I am not affiliated before anyone pipes in I found it looking for on topic look at what other churches see as a healthy congregation, I offer it in good faith for the point of identifying what this particular church states as a worthy missision and as it outlines the duties of the church itself).

It covers alot of what is being discussed in this thread and I found it interesting as it covers all aspects of what a church is meant to do and the key word in all of this is to SERVE.

4 minutes ago, Gary Lee said:

I posted earlier I think you like to argue. The post above proves it. May God grant you that which you need. I cannot. God bless you, Dan.

Gods will shall be done.