On 8/4/2018 at 1:47 AM, George said:

I'll give him a ring this weekend and let you know.

God bless

George

Thank you George!

I heard from Fresno Joe. He did not elaborate, but but we know he is secure in God's love and Christ's Salvation.

Thank you again for your help Brother!

Cheers!!! 

When do we get Part II Arrowcreek?

4 hours ago, SerenelyBlue said:

I believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God (himself God) and that he sacrificed his life to take the punishment for the sins of those who have faith in him.  I do however believe in evolution.  Are there others like me here?  More liberal Christians?  Do you frown upon people who believe in evolution?

Hello SerenelyBlue. Before I was born again, science was my "religion". I mean, who could argue with what can be proven right? Well, actually wrong, as science was the reason I became born again.  After becoming a believer, what became obvious to me is that science simple "discovers" the laws of nature God ordained, and how these laws explain much of what we observe in physical reality.

The biggest problem (IMHO) for folks to see the compatability of scripture and science is I think the concept of time. For evolutionists, obviously there seems to be a divide in the timeline between creation and evolution simply too great to reconcile. This would be correct IF time was itself a constant. Yet through the science of physics and quantum physics we know time is relative, so that what appears to be 14 billion years from the human perspective, is in fact simultaneous from God's perspective. Yes, many unbelievers will tell you this is a cop out, but science disagrees.

Look at Einstein's Relativity, where time is relative to the observer. It can actually speed up and slow down depending upon your position and speed in space, to the point where you could leave this world on a space voyage and return, from your point of observation a few years later, yet your children could have become older that you in every sense of aging.

If you consider the very first physical component of this existence that God created, it was light. He created it even before the earth and universe had form. If you traveled (if you could that is) at the speed of light you would never encounter time. You would not even know the concept of time because at the speed of light time simply does not exist. Yet, here we are with  "tons" of evidence for evolution. 

Science is what's called deterministic, which means that science looks for evidence in nature that is consistent, provable, predictable, and constant. A chemical reaction between two elements occurred the same way billions of years ago as it occurs today. The interaction of all matter and all energy with each other likewise happened from the beginning just as as it happens today. God by His very Essence, is deterministic too. He cannot change. He is the exact same God from the beginning as He is today; completely immutable. So ultimately the big question is , for science anyway, what was the first cause? What happened that set up a deterministic universe and allowed it to "evolve"? 

For believers, obviously God is the first cause of this universe and all evidence of evolutionary processes, just as God is the first cause of all the laws of nature. Science is still blank on it's first cause in so much as having a reasonable explanation for that first cause.  Yes, there are theories, but little to support the theories of those theories! When you factor in the incomprehensible actions/interactions/processes/variety of inorganic-organic structures/the various forms of energy (electromagnetic spectrum)/the sub atomic, atomic, molecular structures that must exist (to support the existence of all the inorganic-organic structures)/ the shear complexity and magnitude of it all to happen precisely as it does becomes scientific evidence for a first cause that at least indicates a high probability for intelligent design. Not just evolution of life, but evolution of all that has to take place for this universe and all it contains to exist as physically real exactly as we observe it. So, it's OK to believe what science says about evolution as long as you understand the evolutionary process was conceived and established by God's mind, His Thoughts, His Attributes, His Creation. There is no conflict. The conflict is for those who insist God does not exist, which of course could, itself, never happen if God did not make them! Love the irony!

Cheers!!!

2 hours ago, Debp said:

Hi, look forward to reading your testimony.   Where do you live, if you don't mind telling us.

Good Morning Debp! I don't think we will hear from this person as the post is dated January 8. I didn't notice it until after I posted, so this thread may be inactive.

Cheers!!! 

On 1/8/2018 at 2:56 AM, Gowtham Reddy Ambati said:

Hi,

 

I would like to share my testimony in English. However, I'm not good at English writing is there anyone to help me in.

 

Thank you..!!

 

Regards,

Gowtham Reddy Ambati.

Welcome GRA (Hope you do not mind me abbreviating your username). What is you native language?

Cheers!!!

29 minutes ago, Debp said:

Where there's a will, there's a way.

Only if it's God's will!!! 

C'est Le Vie!!!

1 hour ago, Sojourner414 said:

AH, you're right. I missed that one. :lol:

This why we have each other's backs! Oy Vey! 

Cheers Sojourner414!!! 

Hi Sojourner414,

Eighth from the bottom! 

Cheers!!! 

24 minutes ago, Debp said:

I'm still watching each week....now it's the Judge Cuts.   Cutting out some from among the good talent already chosen.

I'm glad the guy with the sword got through...his skill is absolutely amazing!!  More cuts next week...

The Mentalist didn't make the cuts....he was actually a comedian pretending to be a Mentalist.  He was so dead serious so that's what made him so hilarious!

Hi Debp! I cannot fathom letting him stand on a rotating platform with a drawn bow and arrow. How can that be allowed, considering that something could go wrong, causing him to release the arrow, but in a direction not planned? It makes no sense, and the liability factor would be stupendous. So, was it all an illusion instead? Was the arrow actually a fake harmless illusion?  Can't seem to get this one out of my mind! Same with the pineapple on Howe's head. No way he didn't have impaired sight when he cut the pineapple, again for the same liability issues. Like Howe and Heidi would actually risk their lives so this guy could compete on the show. Anyone have a clus how he did this trick?

Cheers!!! 

17 minutes ago, siegi91 said:

Yes. There is no way to introduce new information, novelty or surprise in the system.

However, not outside my will. That is not possible. For my will obeys to the same deterministic rules and is, therefore, determined.

But I do not believe all this. I know it.

 siegi

 

Hi Siegi91. If determinism was active from the beginning, what then is its cause? 

Cheers!!! 

58 minutes ago, siegi91 said:

You know? I am a determinist, mainly for scientific reasons. And I am a determinist even under the premise of QM. All viable laws of physics are deterministic and reversible. They might differ on the configuration space on which things happen, but they are all like that.  This is so important, that new laws are first checked so that they pass the deterministic test.

So, nobody made that choice. My volition does not pop up out of nothing. It is determined by the physical state of my brain and the state of the inputs my brain receives. I mean, think about it. Do you think that any of your decisions begin to exist without a cause? Kalam might have a problem with that

Physical information is constant. So, if I decide to kick a ball, my decision was pre-determined, since the final state of that ball was not subject to indetermination. That final state was set billions of years before my birth.

Having said that, I think we can still make sense of free will.

Don't we use probability theory to study things like roulette and dice? Roulette and dice are not random. They look random because we ignore all the fine details that lead them to a result.So, if probability is effective for fundamentally not-random processes, then freedom of will and moral accountability might be a valid approximation for something that is not free at all.

 siegi

 

Hi Siegi91! Deterministic. This means you believe things happen outside your will? That's what the definition I got online is.

If the "final state" was established millions of years before you were born and is pre-determined then you are telling me that at every level of reality, again from the quantum to the macro, that all it's components (particles, atomic and molecular structure, compounds, and all the structures they comprise organic and inorganic, and all the ways they interact with each other and with energy, including all the conceptions of cognizant minds whether considered real or imagined is in fact predetermined. Yes? No?

I don't see why probability should be an exception to this then. 

Do we agree on this?

Cheers Siegi91

1 hour ago, brujaq said:

Well there is revelation of the past and prophesy of the future but I agree I'm now, for the time being 

Hi Brujaq! Who knows prophesy and Revelation? Only God and those He chooses to share it with. God is eternal and has no need for nor dependence on time. He does however create the appearance of time for us, otherwise we could not experience faith ( Substance of things hoped for, evidence of what is not seen). As for the natural and supernatural (prefer to avoid using the latter). Who established the laws of nature, the "natural"? Again, only God, so in that sense there is no natural, and only His invisible attributes (better definition of supernatural agreed?).

Despite the "fact" that we experience reality as a progressive series of events, one leading seamlessly into another, the only time we have any experience is right now. In the "spotlight" moment in this universe or rather, in the ever present focus of God's will.

Cheers Brujaq!!! 

OK, I'm in the middle of some intense lightening and thunder here, and having already lost a TV and PC to the "bolts", I'm shutting down. Later perhaps?

Cheers!!! 

8 minutes ago, brujaq said:

The physical is bound by time, while God is outside time existing from the everlasting to the everlasting 

Hi Brujaq. I know that seems not only logical, but obvious, yet the ONLY time you ever have is "right now".  This is all you experience. Everything else is either memory or imagination. Try to do anything a millisecond ago. You can only do it right now. Think about it.

Cheers!!! 

1 minute ago, siegi91 said:

Could I have?

I am not sure.

 siegi

 

If you didn't make the choice, then who made it for you? Or do you think it is possible that every element in existence from the quantum level to the macro level and all the structures they combine to make, as well as their interaction with matter and energy and each other is all orchestrated and predestined? How about another perspective; do you know anyone well enough to know the choices they will make about a particular topic? Knowing in advance what someone will choose doesn't take away their free will. Their choices may still come as a surprise to those who do not know them as well as you. Yes? No?

Cheers!!! 

1 minute ago, siegi91 said:

 

Somehow, I see a "choice" in these duplicates!!!

Cheers Siegi91!!!

1 minute ago, brujaq said:

Did you know that time will come to an end , better start working on a theory for that soon..

Then what is Eternity Brujaq?

Cheers!!! 

6 minutes ago, siegi91 said:

Yes, well. 

the problem I have is that free will is hugely challenged by these ontologies. For instance, the idea that the universe preserves information, does not give any space to the introduction of novelty.

According to what we know today, the configuration of bits I am causing on computers by writing this post, was in principle deductible by the microstate of the Universe millions years before my birth. So, what was my freedom?

I did not have any.

 siegi

 

That may be true Siege91. Have to give that one more thought. Oh, there is no millions of years ago. Everything is in the "spotlight" which is always "now". BTW,. you could have chosen not to write with these "bits"!

Cheers!!!

1 minute ago, brujaq said:

I must've been talking about another new one, . Sorry Rock 

There are three versions that I know of, each with a different view of a time relationship. No need to be sorry at all Brother!

6 minutes ago, brujaq said:

The big difference is it claims space and matter has always existed which is physical, God created space and matter in the beginning  to begin time . God stretched/stretches out the heavens like a tent known way before matter collapsing on itself then the space expansion/inflation theory became the new kid on the Atheist block , now this .. 

You expected they would say God created matter and energy? 

Cheers Brujaq!!! 

1 minute ago, siegi91 said:

The block universe is a direct consequence of the ontology of time we got from relativity.

IOW: if relativity is true, then the block Universe is true. 

What is the block Universe? It is the idea that the fabric of the Universe is a 4-dimensional surface with a certain geometry (technically: a 2-tensor covariant field) on it. This surface is not a theoretical construct, but a real thing subject to curvature and such.

So, if this thing is real, how can it change? It cannot, since it is not itself embedded in a spacetime context.

But if it cannot change, what is the meaning of things like "the universe is expanding", or "the universe had a beginning"?

Simple: these statements are meaningless when applied to the 4-dimensional continuum that fills the Universe.

 

 sieglinde

 

Not so with the Spotlight version Seigi91.  In this version past, present, and future all exist at once, but only a specific "now", this point of experience in the "Spotlight" seems real. This describes God's Omnipotence, Omniscience, and Omnipresence. This allows for perpetual change and free will at at our "level" in perfect compatibility with God's Attributes and Will. I would think an unbeliever who has faith in Science might be able to accept this Theory as well. JMHO.

CheersSiegi91!!! 

39 minutes ago, one.opinion said:

I'm not much of a cosmologist, but I'm sure there are some hypotheses (but not theories) about the origin of the universe that differ from the big bang. I can carry out a much better conversation with biological evolution.

The "Spotlight Theory" being quite comparable to Creation IMHO. The Block Universe. just an FYI-.

http://news.mit.edu/2015/book-brad-skow-does-time-pass-0128

Cheers!!! 

29 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

Sadly Rocky you would be amazed at how many no longer even see the time is near .    They call love anything that unites people .  

Rocky I give us all this challenge today .     Go read romans chapter one .    While reading it  ,  let us realize that years back socities started taking GOD out of schools , out of govts

more and more reminders of what is HOLY and of GOD they no longer wanted to even be reminded of it . THEY did not want it in their sight , in their conscious .

AND NOW LOOK at this generation and tell me ,    What do we think has occurred .      I TELL US ALL,   GOD has given the world over to a total reprobate mind to do those wicked things .

Sin is now celebrated , same sex celebrated , girls as boys and boys as girls celebrated . TELL ME , IS THIS NOT A JUDGMENT of DELUSOIN .  IT IS ROCKY , IT IS .

GOD will do this .  WE IN THE LAST OF THE LAST OF DAYS and the whole world , most churches ,   they cannot discern the times . More and more churches even, can no longer

discern between the good and the evil , in fact is got so bad that now they see good as evil and evil as good .  

I am reminding us loudly ,  A tremendous delusion is also beginning as well, and under its pc , all inclusive unity , WILL LEAD ALL right to the worship of the beast who satan will hand all power too.   THIS reprobation is not in one naition its all world wide ,  this unity all inclusive  is for what ,, WORLD PEACE , WORLD unity .

WHO WE THINK this will lead them right too .   WE running out of time , and better none be taken in its net of deception.  GET ARMOURED UP IN SOUND DOCTRINE < IN CHRIST

For the last hour and the greatest betrayal will come world wide against the true lambs .   

Thank you Frienduff ThayLorde!

13 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

On a video just two days ago , it was showing this live .     It had a beared drag queen, and IT , was telling the kids you want to feel my beard .

THOSE KIDS LOOKED TERRIFIED , with sudden shaking of no to their heads  , EVEN THE KIDDIES KNOW SOMETHING AINT RIGHT .

They looked SCARED of it .    This agenda is wicked and it shows what days we in .    Enough with the holding signs of GOD IS LOVE and MARCHING WITH GAYS and apologizing .

FOLKS don't realize this angers GOD .   GOD IS LOVE , but that aint LOVE .   

What parent who loves their children would expose them to this evil? Such parents should be registered as child abuse offenders. How can a parent that accepts this not know they are consigning their children to sin and therefore death? Even for unbelievers, with all deviants that feed on children in today's world, have to at least consider they are butting bulls eyes on their children's backs. Better they should sacrifice their children on an alter to God than on an alter to evil that only seeks to consume their innocence. At least then those children will have eternal life in the ultimate love.

How can a child grow to maturity with these kinds of "lessons" being perpetrated on them at such an early age?  Forgive me, but the rage these kinds of stupid things instills in me is unbearable. They don't even have the ability yet to choose whether they want this kind of exposure, instead trusting in and following the brain dead parents wishes and the insane policy of authority figures in the governmental and private sectors that think such endeavors are rewarding. 

Lord, we need you back ASAP!