Tigger56

yes, but I believe repentance is simply the start of a journey, its not the end.

No idea what you are talking about.

The Feast has much symbolism. There is the lessons of the time in the wilderness. You left out the image of the "temporary dwellings". In regards to your other question... based on your last response it is obvious that you already have your own reasoning or opinion on this matter. My answer would truly require more space than what I desire to attempt to enter here. I would recommend you look at the resurrections and do some study of your own. In Zechariah it is talking of those who had survived. It is in regards to those who are still human and remained after Armageddon. Only the first resurrection will have taken place at that time.

I remember hearing a joke where some farm animals were talking about how wonderful the farmer was and that they should do something nice for him. They thought of many different things. Finally one of the chickens stated that the farmer was always feeding them and taking care of them. The chicken suggested providing him with a good breakfast of eggs and ham. Most of the other animals thought it was a great idea. However the pig told the other animals that what the chicken wanted to do would cost her little but would cost him much. He stated that for the chicken it would simply be an offering but for him it would be a sacrifice. That to me kind of emphasizing what sacrifice means, giving all. What do you think of the scripture and its meaning in our lives, when so many seem to preach and believe in a very easy path of Christianity and never seem to emphasize the "sacrifice" part?

I thank everyone for their responses and I hope not to be confusing but I have been pondering in my own bible studies some questions in regards to God forgetting sins. I do believe that he does and the scriptures all provided show that. But here are my ponderings that perhaps some of you can give clarity to. 1. I believe that God forgives and forgets our sins.... but I also believe that God, the Almighty God, knows every person that has ever lived. He remembers all of their fears, dreams, hopes, weaknesses and strengths. I believe he remembers every prayer, etc... you may not believe this yourself, but then I ponder about him forgetting sins and transgressions. Does it mean forget as we think of it? 2. I also think about the words "to hold in remembrance". What does this mean in that if God remembers all things, does it add honor to what he holds in remembrance over simply never forgetting? 3. The third thing, if God forgives and forgets all sin, then why are the sins of so many kept in the Bible. I know they are there to teach us, but will King David always be known for adultery and the murder of a husband? Is that to be upon him on all of eternity? Would you want that type of sin to be in print for all to read and see? Will the Bible eventually be changed in God's kingdom where sins such as David's will be erased from print and from memory? Don't mean to be confusing, just things I have been thinking about.

Decided not to go into great detail. It is something you can study at length. Each of the Holy Days represent the plan of God, some partially fulfilled, some waiting to be fulfilled. I believe all will be observed throughout time. The Feast of Tabernacles is representative of the millennium, The Feast of Trumpets represents the time with Jesus with the Saints will come back to the earth to do battle known as Armageddon. The Day of Atonement is when Satan will be cast into a pit for a time. Then we have a time of the millennium where Jesus will begin his rule upon the earth. There is other symbolism as well but that is a brief answer to your question.

Good question. but can I ask you if you have an idea of what it represents? This might help me to determine how much detail I need to go into.

Thank you for your response, but don't think you have answered the exact questions. You make the statement that Jesus is the fulfillment of the feasts, then why is it that Jesus is going to require the world to keep them when he returns?

I am grateful for the responses to the questions. I do praise the Lord for their great mercy and the fact that they can forget. There are more scriptures that state this. But I hope you don't mind if we go a little deeper with a few more questions and hope that iron will sharpen iron. If the Lord forgets our iniquities and our sins and once again, I believe he does. Then I have another question: What is the requirement for this?

I know that the Lord God and the Lord Jesus forgive us of our sins, but can they erase them from their memory? Can they forgive and forget our transgressions?

In all the discussions. I still haven't received satisfactory answers to my original comments in regards to Zechariah 14: 16-19. Why is the Lord Jesus commanding the entire world to keep the Feast of Tabernacles, if the holy days have no importance? Why force the world to keep something if it has been abolished? If the Lord Jesus is commanding all to keep the Feast of Tabernacles in his Kingdom, then why aren't we keeping them now? I've had many raise the banner of law versus grace, never realizing that law and grace are not enemies or opposites but stand together, but regardless of how you feel in regards to this. The Lord Jesus is going to command the whole world to keep his feast in his Kingdom, Why? If no answer is provided that is fine but at least ask these questions to yourself in your own personal studies. Jesus kept the Holy Days, the Apostles kept the Holy Days, the early church kept the Holy Days.... Jesus will require them be kept in his Kingdom.... So why don't we keep them now? Why does the world so quickly embrace their own traditions and ignore the traditions that the Lord established?

Wonderful scriptures. Abraham did in fact attempt to fulfill the promise of the Lord by taking matters into his own hands. He listened to Sarah and had a son by laying with her handmaid. Isaac on the other hand was born according to the will and promise of God. When man attempts to do all by flesh, he will fail. We do need the strength and spirit of God and we do need to walk in his will. His will is known by walking in his law and in his presence, which once again requires that we walk in truth, light and obedience. The law could not save, you only have salvation through the Lord Jesus. But that salvation comes in surrender unto the Lord. Thus as Paul states in Romans 12:1,2, we present our bodies as a living sacrifice to the Lord and be not conformed to the world. In surrender we obey. In sacrifice we are to bury the flesh, the old man, and walk in spirit. To do this you must walk in obedience to their will. The law of God in perfect and beautiful, but man failed in keeping it. Our Messiah paid the penalty of our failure. However in his great act of love and obedience, He did not abolish the law, but open the way for salvation by paying the penalty required for sin. The law cannot save and we are no longer under the bondage of the penalty of death if we choose the freedom of our Savior and the freedom of the law. Freedom is found in obedience not in disobedience. If we follow disobedience then we would again become as dogs to their own vomit and seek bondage once more. Don't you see the law isn't the bondage it is the breaking of the law that caused our Savior to die for us. So by faith, surrender, trust, obedience, and love we walk a path of righteousness in the Lord. Without Him, we would fail. To walk that path requires us knowing how. It is our measure for morality. Without the law, without guidelines, then there is chaos and confusion. Paul even addresses this in regards to church and tells them that God is not a God of confusion.

Actually I'm not telling you how you are to love and worship. I was simply telling you what scripture says. This is after all a Christian forum and I thought referring to scripture would be acceptable. I apologize if that offends you it wasn't my attempt. I did agree that everyday is a gift from a Holy God, but I do not agree that everyday is holy. Is it acceptable to disagree with you? I want to know the ground rules of any discussion with you. Is it being an adversary to be of different opinion that you? An adversary to me is an enemy that isn't my intent, so is everyone that disagrees with you an enemy? And I thought referring to God's word could be edifying. Please tell me what are you looking for?

I apologize for my error in regards to misinterpretation. I will answer the question. dung of course the the same as cow patties if you choose. It is in Paul's terminology of no value. If you look at the scriptures leading up to this what is Paul referring to? Let's look and see....He was talking of the fleshly appearances or attempts of salvation through physical means alone. He mentioned being circumcised, this isn't a bad thing, but many of the pharasees considered it to somehow make them better than the gentiles around them. He mentioned that he was a pharasee, once more they took great pride in their level of learning, training, and understanding, comparing themselves to other more than comparing themselves to God. He kept the law and had great zeal. Not bad things but if the law and zeal are used wrongfully they can be. In his zeal he persecuted believers in Christ so not a good thing, in his knowledge he failed to recognize Jesus as Messiah while Jesus was alive and walked the earth as a man. The law was used by the pharasees not as a blessing and gift but as a deterrant to accept others. They considered themselves to be God's people, which Israel was, but Jesus became a sacrifice, a Messiah for all of mankind. Thus the law, salvation, grace, mercy, love was for all of man not a select few. When Paul accepted Jesus as Messiah, he understood that all he had known before was nothing compared to that great truth. God had sent his Son to die for man. In scriptures following the statement concerning dung, he speaks in regards to not looking to his own righteousness (truthfully our righteousness before God is as filthy rags!). The law is precious but it cannot save, salvation in only through the Lord Jesus, there is no other way. Does that help? There is more I could say....

I love the thought and reasoning. Paul was full of zeal and passion and loved the Lord above all else. So it is Paul's writings that are often misunderstood, even Peter stated that Paul's writings could be confusing. Nobody likes a hypocrite, someone who will preach on something and do another... yet most are claiming that is what Paul did, they claim he did away with the law ... but he kept the law, that it was okay to break the Sabbath... but kept the Sabbath, that is was okay to ignore the holy days... yet he observed the holy days... surely someone can see that if Paul was obedient why would he preach disobedience? Paul was not a hypocrite so why does so much human reasoning attempt to make him so?

Actually we are to consider everyday as a gift and blessing from God, but not holy. The Lord God created the earth and after the six days he rested on set the Sabbath apart as holy. He didn't name all of the previous days as holy, only one. Only the Lord can make a day holy, not man.

Though only the Feast of Tabernacles is mentioned in Zechariah in regards to the nations not receiving rain as punishment, all of the holy are representative of God's plan and all are important today and in the future. So, yes, I believe in keeping all of them.... Passover, Days of Unleavened Bread, Pentecost, Feast of Trumpets, Day of Atonement, Feast of Tabernacles and the Last Great Day. They are wonderful feasts! All carry great power and I look forward to each and every one of them. The Feast of Tabernacles is something all the children look forward to as well as it is a time of great rejoicing, a great time for family and brethren. I have built many wonderful memories over the years.

I understand your confusion. There was a difference between the law or government of Israel and the law of God in regards to the Sabbath and Holy Days, just as there is a difference in our laws from another nation. In America it is not acceptable to pick up stones and stone somewhere. You would be arrested for you have broken our nation's law. Adultery is the breaking of God's law as shown in the commandments. However, we cannot use the method that the nation of Israel used in regards to punishment. Jesus had a woman caught in adultery brought to him as a attempt to deceive. There were laws in place by Rome and there was an hierarchy of justice within Israel of that time. They were testing him. Have you wondered why the man, who was also committing adultery was not brought forth? The most important thing is yes Jesus forgave her but also stated, "sin no more". He didn't condone the adultery for it was the breaking of God's law, but thankfully for all of us, Grace supersedes the law but that doesn't meant you may sin so that grace may abound.

I truly appreciate your kind and inquisitive response. The holy days are mentioned throughout scripture including in the New Testament. Whsten looking at the ten commandments you get some indication as to how the Lord desires the Sabbath to be kept as this is one of the Holy Days. The other Holy Days are listed in Leviticus 23, but also in many other places. You can go on line and make copies of holy day calendars that will show when the days come up on the Roman Calendar. Since they are based on the full moon, the days will vary. But they all fall either in the spring or the fall, except for Pentecost which is counted by 50 from the Sabbath within the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Pentecost actually means "count 50". The holy days lay out the plan of God and if you take the time I believe you will find it an interesting study.

NO you are misquoting and misinterpreting this verse. The knowledge of Christ if found in observing the commandments. Christ even stated that if you love me you will keep my commandments. Paul was showing that his previous pride in being a pharasee, etc... meant nothing in regards to Christ. No where does he state that the Sabbath and Holy Days are not to be observed. But I do understand the confusion of being taught something and believing something without true research. I pray the Lord will help you to understand. Please read scriptures in their entirety to search out their true meaning. I pray you will.

Totally lost me on that reasoning. How we celebrate the Holy Days, Sabbaths, Foods we eat are not to be determined by man. This is what man desires to do and this is why they walk in disobedience. God lays out in his holy word how these days are to be observed. To learn the first way go to Exodus 20: 8 - 11. For how to observe the Holy Days go to Leviticus 23. This is how God tells us to do it, any other way... then you are talking about man's will.

Why do so many jump to "judgment" and "judging". I'm not judging rather I believe you are "justifying". You may say that that statement is "judging" but did you not judge me by your opening statement. So it appears that sharing God's scriptures, if it goes against someone's own doctrinal grids it immediately becomes "judgment" instead of discussion. So sad.

Once again, Colossians 2:16 is being misquoted. Please do some study into the entire letter to the Colssians. He is instructed them not to allow false teachers to judge them in their observance of God's days not in their lack of observance. This scripture does not abolish God's holy days or God's Sabbath. I am simply sharing what is in God's word, if they appears to be judging, I am sorry, simply quoting scripture and trying to explain the context of the same. I understand the confusion for this scripture is often misquoted without people doing the research. Romans.... this is also a much misunderstood and misquoted scripture. Paul is not and have never justified the doing away of God's Sabbaths. Many read into these verses what they desire to believe. I do believe all must work out their own salvation. I also believe some are weak in faith and weak in understanding, I truly believe God will reveal to those who desire and that we should not simply judge another. But is it judgement to share what is written in God's word? Many times I see these words used not truly in regards to judgment but are used for justification... and in this there is a huge difference.

Thank you for taking the time to respond to this. I'm not in agreement with how many use the verse in Colossians 2:16. It if greatly misquoted is truthfully much is based upon poor scholarship and misunderstanding of Paul's meaning in this verse. Much can be learned by following line upon line and precept upon precept and also looking at scriptures in the whole by looking at context of who was being written too and what was the main context of the writing instead of taking one verse to fit a particular doctrine. This particular verse is used by many to justify the breaking of the Sabbath and the ignoring of God's holy days. But that was never the intent of Paul in this writing. Paul kept the Sabbath and Holy Days and understood the meaning and the importance of these day. When looking at the context of this passage you will see that Paul is countering a local heresy and actually confirms and explains the value of God's days. By him saying that they are a shadow of things to come expresses the importance of them and the meaning of them within the plan of God. Look at the verse in Colossians 2:8, here Paul is addressing and warning the Colossians of philosophy and the traditions of men. I wonder why this verse isn't quoted? It is because many prefer, even today, the traditions of men over the ways of the Lord. Humanly devised tradition was the problem Paul was countering in his writing not the instructions of the Lord. This is similar to what Jesus encountered in Mark 7:8-13. People prefer their traditions and man today worship God as they choose and justify it by the misuse of such verses as found in Colossians 2:16 with no or little understanding of its true meaning. They use a verse showing that they were not to let false teachers judge them in the keeping of God's days in preference and in obedience over man's traditions. Paul was combating not the ways of God but the false worship of angels and traditions of men, Colossians 2:21-22, .... according to the commandments and doctrines of men..., Man's problem over the ages is their insistence that they worship who they desire and how they desire. So many use Colossians 2:16 to justify the observance of Sunday, when that wasn't even the subject being addressed, for Sunday worship wasn't a problem being faced by the Colossians at that time. That rea red its head later. It is the commandments and doctrines of men that was the problem Paul was addressing not the commandments of God. In Colossians when Paul stated, let no one judge you in food.... he wasn't discussing the types of food being eaten but the fact that many felt that any type of feasting and rejoicing on the Sabbaths, Feast Days and new moons shouldn't be done. The deceivers disdained any type of feasting and any type of enjoyment within the ways of the Lord. Paul was stressing that the false teachers had no authority to judge or determine how the Colossians were to observe God's festivals. He is telling them to eject false human judgment, he is not telling them to reject God's judgment and direction. They is nothing in these scriptures that indicates that God's Sabbath and holy days were being abolished, yet why do so many try to use that scripture for that purpose?

so what does this mean? That it is okay to ignore the Lord's Holy Days, to simply do as we desire? Once again, why does the Lord insist that they will have to be kept? Why will it matter then but not now?