DeighAnn

Behold, a mystery to you I tell. all not we will sleep WHAT IS REVEALED? NOT EVERYONE IS GOING TO DIE WHAT IS NOT COVERED IN THE MYSTERY? THOSE WHO HAVE ALREADY DIED. WHY isn't there any MYSTERY about those who have already died? BECAUSE when it comes to those DIED BEFORE the last day Paul has just spent VERSES 12 - 49 on them, and he went into great detail AS TO WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON WITH THEM as in WHAT happens, WHEN it happens, TO WHOM it happens, in WHAT ORDER it happens. So, having COMPLETELY COVERED not only what happened with those who died before THE NEW COVENANT came aka them that slept along with what would happen from that point on, aka every man in his own order and even HAVING TOUCHED upon the LAST DAY aka those who are HIS at his return in verse 51 HE GETS TO THE LAST DAY. AND the mystery concerning the LAST DAY has to do with THOSE WHO ARE STILL ALIVE on the earth on that last day. AGAIN, the MYSTERY doesn't have ANYTHING TO DO with anyone who died previous to the last day. THERE IS NO MYSTERY CONCERNING THEM. just those worshiping the BEAST, and those who have overcome and endured to the end WHERE is GODS REST IS FOUND? WE can either be like those under the old covenant or we can LEARN by their mistakes and not repeat them by bringing our own RELIGION into HIS. Refresher 9Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. 10For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. 12To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. SO DOING IT GODS WAY, YOUR WAY OR SOMEONE ELSES WAY Taking verses 51 52 and 53 and TRYING TO APPLY what happens on the LAST DAY FROM the beginning IS DOING IT EITHER your way or someone eles way but it isn't doing it GODS WAY. Doesn't MATTER if the entire world agrees with you or not. When taking what is written in the ORDER it PROCEEDS OUT OF HIS MOUTH, NOT MINE the PICTURE ends up totally different. Why is that? Why is it when the following His words precept on precept there is nothing that makes you ask 'Is this totally unrighteous or not'? AND THE BIGGEST change there is no 'soul' returning for any kind of a body from the DECOMPOSITION of the earth, and not even the wicked are raised in a flesh and blood body for THE SPIRITUAL KINGDOM OF HEAVEN, ever. NO SOUL, SAVED OR NOT will be flesh and blood not in the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN on earth. SORRY if it messes up ENTIRE BELIEFS, BUT THESE are THE FACTS. And when I STAND BEFORE the Judgment seat of CHRIST, ONLY HIS WORDS are COMING out of my mouth because only HIS WORDS ARE PURE WORDS.... So there is a choice...Now if anyone can lay it out like this with a better explanation that doesn't bring into question the RIGHTEOUSNESS of GOD, then by all means, do so. I love to learn. Looking to have it down perfect before I get there. BUT if what you want to put forth has any DECAY becoming the eternal spiritual body to be raised in glory and power, then might as well just skip it. Back to those who are still THE ALIVE when Christ returns.... all however we will be changed. Doesn't say ALL will be changed in the same manner, just ALL will be changed. Doesn't say 'the dead' will be changed, because the MYSTERY isn't about the dead (repeating I know) BUT IT IS JUST CONCERNING EVERYONE who is alive on the last day (repeating I know) So WHO do we find alive on the last day? Who does the MYSTERY CONCERN just those worshiping the BEAST, and those who have overcome and endured to the end For those who have taken the mark of the beast, they are facing 2 deaths, so that first death is going to QUITE the change nasty change for them but if you are going to be raised IN GLORY, and power and incorruption your change is going to BE AWESOME. of a note - ONCE everyone who WAS alive has been changed, there will be no more flesh and blood bodies on the earth 3956. pas ► Strong's Concordance pas: all, every Original Word: πᾶς, πᾶσα, πᾶν Part of Speech: Adjective Transliteration: pas Phonetic Spelling: (pas) Definition: all, every Usage: all, the whole, every kind of. HELPS Word-studies 3956 pás – each, every; each "part(s) of a totality" (L & N, 1, 59.24). 3956 /pás ("each, every") means "all" in the sense of "each (every) part that applies." The emphasis of the total picture then is on "one piece at a time." 365 (ananeóō) then focuses on the part(s) making up the whole – viewing the whole in terms of the individual parts. [When 3956 (pás) modifies a word with the definite article it has "extensive-intensive" force – and is straightforward intensive when the Greek definite article is lacking.] 236. allassó ► Strong's Concordance allassó: to change Original Word: ἀλλάσσω Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: allassó Phonetic Spelling: (al-las'-so) Definition: to change Usage: I change, alter, exchange, transform.

Our SOUL, spiritual body/soul/spirit/being doesn't stay in THIS body once the blood has quit pumping. some of us are as the 'angels in heaven' while others are in bondage in hell. Just because we currently CAN'T SEE what is going on, doesn't stop it from being just as real.... 11And he lighted upon a certain place, and tarried there all night, because the sun was set; and he took of the stones of that place, and put them for his pillows, and lay down in that place to sleep. 12And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it. 13And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed; 14And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed. 15And, behold, I am with thee, and will keep thee in all places whither thou goest, and will bring thee again into this land; for I will not leave thee, until I have done that which I have spoken to thee of. 16And Jacob awaked out of his sleep, and he said, Surely the LORD is in this place; and I knew it not. NO, we RELOCATE to the next realm, in the next body. Rich man was buried, Lazarus had angels bring him to the bosom of Abraham They are both STILL LIVING. One is living in heaven and on the other side of the gulf the other one is living in hell. One is considered to be ALIVE while the other is considered to be DEAD. One never dies and the 2nd death is never in their future, and they never go to hell and never stand at the GWTJ, name in the book by faith from foundation THE other dies not just the first death but goes to the place of the dead and maybe the LOF if don't get name in book ACCORDING TO DEEDS, NOT FAITH SO, when Christ returns THE DEAD rise, they MAY BE FOUND in the book of life, IN CHRIST at the GWTJ, but till then they are a part of THE DEAD that had to WAIT for His return to be resurrected out from the dead while THE LIVING were raised up long ago. no one can kill the soul but GOD. 28And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

The condition or the action? We need to get our NEVER DIE and our DEAD figured out first NEVER DIE -COMMON DEATH of the flesh and blood body ONLY, the only 'taste' of death is the going from one to the other, raised up to heaven NOT SLEEPING NOT WAITING but raised up AT THAT TIME, in your spiritual body, in glory and in power FOLLOWING Him to go be where He is. NEVER DIE as in never go to the place of the dead, never descend into hell, NEVER WAIT FOR HIS RETURN for a BODY, GO TO HEAVEN AS YOURSELF just in your heavenly body NEVER DIE DEAD - COMMON DEATH OF THE FLESH BODY. Descend to the place of the dead in your spiritual body WAIT for the return of Christ to be raised up OUT FROM THE DEAD BUT WHEN RAISED UP your spiritual body HAS SEEN CORRUPTION,EVEN THOUGH it is IMPERISHABLE (except TO the LOF) it is STILL MORTAL, none the less spiritual as the REALM you are raised up in is the spiritual realm and so not being raised up in immortality because THE 2ND DEATH still looms in your future.

It IS about what takes place at the 7th trump. Problem is SO MUCH TAKES PLACE It is the changing of REALMS and EVERYTHING involved around it. Since the SCOPE is so wide, if you read my post above you will see IT IS ALL VERY MUCH ABOUT THE 7TH TRUMP

How about we just stick to the words of God and leave our own out and see where THEY lead. THAT is the only way we are going to find agreement. Let's agree, if it isn't written it isn't discussed. Lazarus was not dead. We agree on that. Lazarus had a sickness NOT unto death but for the GLORY OF GOD. The 'life from the dead'. Only Jesus and those he told knew Lazaurs wasn't dead. Lazarus wasn't RAISED up to heaven but 'resuscitated' back to life on earth. No BODY change. Two witnesses And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. 8And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. This says they are dead because they are killed. This tells us how they are going to be raised up, it will be 'a resurrection of the dead'. Those who have received the gift of Salvation aren't 'buried'. They raise up FROM the earth not from UNDER THE EARTH. Those who are raised up FROM the earth 'never die' because they never go to the place of the dead. The ONLY death they have is the first death the death of the flesh and blood body. The resurrection we HOPE to attain to. The one like Jesus. He died and rose again, even so them. What are we told about the resurrection of the dead? How do they NEVER DIE even though their body dies the common death? You've read it a BILLION TIMES 42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. BUT YOU READ IT WITH A DIFFERENT SET OF EYES. And one of us it reading it WRONG. I do know how you are reading it. YOU are reading it LIKE YOU ALREADY READ VERSEs 51, 52, 53. EVERY EXCUSE you are going to use from this point on stems from that ONE STEP OFF THE NARROW PATH. making you read everything AS IF IT IS THE LAST DAY of THE 'age', RATHER than the last day of THEIR AGE. So let's clear that up. And let's go REAL SLOW SO WE DON'T ADD OR SUBTRACT ANYTHING because of what we believe. JUST what GODS TRUTH IS. 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; a secret We shall not all sleep NOT EVERYONE IS GOING TO DIE WHO DOES THE SECRET CONCERN? EVERYONE WHO IS ALIVE. The SECRET DOESN'T concern anyone who has already died. ONLY THOSE WHO ARE STILL LIVING So we ask what is the secret about those STILL ALIVE AND LIVING? but we shall all be changed, ALL THOSE who ARE still alive ARE ALL going to be changed. Doesn't matter what our filthy rags may be telling us, ALL GOD has told us is EVERYONE is going to be changed. EVERYONE WOULD INCLUDE SINNERS AND SAINTS ALIKE. What ISN'T written yet is IF that change will be the same for everyone just IT WILL EFFECT EVERYONE WHO IS STILL LIVING, ALIVE, in flesh and blood bodies. 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: THE WHEN What do we know about the last trump? Christ is returning with all the Holy Angels/saint So, ON THE LAST DAY when Christ returns the two witnesses having been raised up less than an hour ago, heaven opening up for the trumpet shall sound, What do we know about what happens when that trump sounds? all the kingdoms of the world are becoming His the birds are about to eat the flesh of ALL MEN, at least all men who have taken the mark of the beast..all those who don't belong to Him because He is coming in In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; WHICH IS ONE WAY 'CHANGE' TAKES PLACE and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, 10When He shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day and we shall be changed. which the whole would will witness And one of them main reasons I abhor pre trib doctrine. HOW DARE it even steal from the GLORY OF GOD. So, back to the two witnesses Theirs is not going to be a resurrection out from the dead, because they are GODS. They are raised up to heaven, a resurrection of the dead. What are we told about the resurrection of the dead? 1. They will go to heaven 30For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. 2. They will be raise in immortality, GLORY, power 42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 3. They will return with Him in HIS ARMY to be a part of His world government 13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

Are 'believers' STILL DEAD at the end of the Millennium? WHEN EXACTLY do those who NEVER DIE finally get to quit being 'dead' in your religion??? Do 'believers' get their name in the book of life 'ACCORDING TO THEIR DEEDS' or by FAITH, and haven't their names been in the book of life FROM THE FOUNDATION? And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne and books were opened And another book was opened which is the [one] of life AND WERE JUDGED THE DEAD out of the things having been written in the books ACCORDING TO THE DEEDS OF THEM Are they still DEAD WHEN SITTING UPON THE THRONES? Are they DEAD while ruling and reigning? is that HOW YOU DESCRIBE someone who never dies or someone who has never come to life?? Don't YOU BELIEVE WHAT JESUS SAID? 1Now a certain man was sick, named Lazarus, of Bethany, the town of Mary and her sister Martha. 2(It was that Mary which anointed the Lord with ointment, and wiped his feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick.) 3Therefore his sisters sent unto him, saying, Lord, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick. 4When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby. and yes, THE TWO WITNESSES WERE DEAD IN THE STREET AND WHAT HAPPENED? HOW DOES THE RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD GO? 42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. Are you telling me you think their DECAYING FLESH AND BLOOD BODIES WERE SEEING RISING UP???? have you forgotten 50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. THE FIRST DEATH, was in full course, that body was going back to dust. Would you like verses for the body going back to dust also? Got a few of them too DID YOU MISS WHY THEY WERE SEEN? THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS UPON THEM AND AT THAT POINT NO ONE IS GOING TO NEED 'SPIRITUAL EYES' BECAUSE change is a coming to everyone on the earth, like it or not. EVERYONE is going to be changed, in one way or another. and they are running for the mountains to cover them up because they know it's to late...you have been marked or you have endured. 11And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. THE 7th trump is about to blow...there won't be 2 REALMS much longer. REMEMEBER the MYSTERY? not ALL are going to die BUT ALL ARE GOING TO BE CHANGED. I understand you have your 'survivors' and stuff and you don't think THE WHOLE would will worship the beast, and even thought the time is shortened or else no flesh would be saved but for the elects sake it is AND the harvest is of the wheat and tares and the tares are gathered and burned yet somehow you have TONS of people who seem to SURVIVE all that plus when Christ comes In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10When He shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day. and 15And out of His mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. 17And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. 19And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 20And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh. and the vine of the earth go into the winepress of the wrath of God and whatever OTHER things we are told I used to wonder why GOD SAID IT IN SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS, I don't anymore. from the alternate? AND THAT ISN'T BODY that isn't dust that isn't corpse THAT is an adjective and as an adjective is how it is used. THERE is a different word for body 2532 [e] καὶ kai And Conj 191 [e] ἀκούσαντες akousantes having heard [it], V-APA-NMP 3588 [e] οἱ hoi the Art-NMP 3101 [e] μαθηταὶ mathētai disciples N-NMP 846 [e] αὐτοῦ autou of him PPro-GM3S 2064 [e] ἦλθον* ēlthon came, V-AIA-3P 2532 [e] καὶ kai and Conj 142 [e] ἦραν ēran took up V-AIA-3P 3588 [e] τὸ to the Art-ANS 4430 [e] πτῶμα ptōma body N-ANS 846 [e] αὐτοῦ autou of him, PPro-GM3S 2532 [e] καὶ kai and Conj 5087 [e] ἔθηκαν ethēkan laid V-AIA-3P 846 [e] αὐτὸ auto it PPro-AN3S 1722 [e] ἐν en in Prep 3419 [e] μνημείῳ. mnēmeiō [a] tomb. N-DNS 4430. ptóma ► Strong's Concordance ptóma: a fall, hence a misfortune, ruin Original Word: πτῶμα, ατος, τό Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter Transliteration: ptóma Phonetic Spelling: (pto'-mah) Definition: a fall, a misfortune, ruin Usage: a fall; a carcass, corpse, dead body. Matthew 14:12 N-ANS GRK: ἦραν τὸ πτῶμα καὶ ἔθαψαν NAS: and took away the body and buried INT: took the body and buried Matthew 24:28 N-NNS GRK: ᾖ τὸ πτῶμα ἐκεῖ συναχθήσονται NAS: Wherever the corpse is, there KJV: For wheresoever the carcase is, there INT: might be the carcass there will be gathered Mark 6:29 N-ANS GRK: ἦραν τὸ πτῶμα αὐτοῦ καὶ NAS: and took away his body and laid KJV: took up his corpse, and laid INT: took up the body of him and Mark 15:45 N-ANS GRK: ἐδωρήσατο τὸ πτῶμα τῷ Ἰωσήφ NAS: he granted the body to Joseph. INT: he granted the body to Joseph Revelation 11:8 N-NNS GRK: καὶ τὸ πτῶμα αὐτῶν ἐπὶ NAS: And their dead bodies [will lie] in the street KJV: their dead bodies [shall lie] in INT: and the bodies of them [will be] on Revelation 11:9 N-ANS GRK: ἐθνῶν τὸ πτῶμα αὐτῶν ἡμέρας NAS: [will] look at their dead bodies KJV: shall see their dead bodies three days INT: Gentiles the bodies of them days Revelation 11:9 N-ANP GRK: καὶ τὰ πτώματα αὐτῶν οὐκ NAS: at their dead bodies for three KJV: suffer their dead bodies to be put in INT: and the bodies of them not Strong's Greek 4430 7 Occurrences NOTICE THAT WORD ISN'T USED WHEN THEY ARE RAISED UP Strong's Greek English Morphology 2532 [e] Καὶ kai And Conj 3326 [e] μετὰ meta after Prep 3588 [e] τὰς tas the Art-AFP 5140 [e] τρεῖς treis three Adj-AFP 2250 [e] ἡμέρας hēmeras days N-AFP 2532 [e] καὶ kai and Conj 2255 [e] ἥμισυ hēmisy a half, Adj-ANS 4151 [e] πνεῦμα pneuma [the] spirit N-NNS 2222 [e] ζωῆς zōēs of life N-GFS 1537 [e] ἐκ ek from Prep 3588 [e] τοῦ tou - Art-GMS 2316 [e] Θεοῦ Theou God N-GMS 1525 [e] εἰσῆλθεν eisēlthen entered V-AIA-3S 1722 [e] ἐν en into Prep 846 [e] αὐτοῖς, autois them, PPro-DM3P 2532 [e] καὶ kai and Conj 2476 [e] ἔστησαν estēsan they stood V-AIA-3P 1909 [e] ἐπὶ epi upon Prep 3588 [e] τοὺς tous the Art-AMP 4228 [e] πόδας podas feet N-AMP 846 [e] αὐτῶν, autōn of them; PPro-GM3P 2532 [e] καὶ kai and Conj 5401 [e] φόβος phobos fear N-NMS 3173 [e] μέγας megas great Adj-NMS 1968 [e] ἐπέπεσεν epepesen fell V-AIA-3S 1909 [e] ἐπὶ epi upon Prep 3588 [e] τοὺς tous those Art-AMP 2334 [e] θεωροῦντας theōrountas beholding V-PPA-AMP 846 [e] αὐτούς. autous them. PPro-AM3P PLEASE TELL ME you are not trying to say that the SPIRIT OF GOD GOES INTO DECAYING SINFUL FLESH AND BLOOD? SO AGAIN, we are sown NOT THE BODY THAT SHALL BE WE ARE raised in incorruption, in glory and in power and if you never die, that takes place on the last day you are in this realm and CONTINUE on in life in the next one So, would you like to ATTACK ME SOME MORE?

Back at you. When Corinth says it is the DEAD that are raised you call them believers JUST BECAUSE they get a body that can only be killed in the lake of fire. NOW YOU SHOW ME WHERE THE LIVING HAVE DECAY BEING RAISED IN GLORY AKA ANY VERSE ANYWHERE IN THE ENTIRE BIBLE THAT SPEAKS OF DUST BEING EITHER RE USED RE FORMED RE BREATHED INTO by GOD so it has lif RAISED UP AT ANY TIME (OTHER THAN THOSE WHO slept or 'DIDN'T DECAY and were used to show the glory of GOD' and before you ask it is because the dead who were raised from the 'grave' were raised in their spiritual body and those who didn't decay and were for the glory of God 'died' but like someone getting cpr or being frozen and then revived isn't the same) ANY BODY LESS SOUL GOING AND POSSESSING A CARCASE OR CORPSE OR ANYTHING THAT EVEN VAGUELY SAYS THAT A CORPSE RISES UP AND I WILL SHOW YOU TIME AFTER TIME 'THE DEAD' AS IN THE SPIRITUAL SOUL/BODY/SPIRIT ARE RASIED UP AND THEY ARE RAISED UP AS 100% COMPLETE. PROVE WHAT YOU CLAIM AND THEN CLAIM IT BECAUSE CLAIMING IT ISN'T PROVING IT. HERE, I'LL GO FIRST SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT I AM ASKING OF YOU 3498. nekros ► Strong's Concordance nekros: dead Original Word: νεκρός, ά, όν Part of Speech: Adjective Transliteration: nekros Phonetic Spelling: (nek-ros') Definition: dead Usage: (a) adj: dead, lifeless, subject to death, mortal, I GOT 130 ADJ HOW MANY NOUNS DO YOU HAVE? obviously i am missing something and obviously you know what that is so prove it. SHOW ME YOUR CORPSES BEING RASIED UP FOR SOULS FROM HEAVEN TO POSSESS (b) noun: a dead body, a corpse. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE That is all i am asking is for SOMEONE to show me a 'corpse' being raised up from the dirt and a soul/spirit from heaven possessing it because i can't see it. GOT IT? I AM UNABLE TO SEE IT. I KEEP ASKING AND ASKING AND ASKING AND ALL I EVER GET IS THE WORDS OF MEN TRYING TO TELL ME CORPSES ARE RASIED AND SOULS/SPIRITS REPOSSES THEM DO YOU THINK IT IS FUN BEING HERE? DO YOU THINK IT IS FUN TO FIGHT EVERYONE? WELL IT ISN'T. SO PROVE TO ME WHAT YOU ARE SAYING SO I CAN KNOW IT IS RIGHT BECAUSE IT SEEMS SO VERY VERY VERY WRONG. THE ONLY BODY I KNOW OF THAT WAS FORMED OF THE EARTH IS ADAM AND THE EARTH HAD NOT BEEN CORRUPTED YET. GET THAT? NOW, I AM SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE THAT CORPSES ARE 'RAISED UP' FROM THE DUNG OF THE CORRUPTED EARTH AND POSSESSION OF THAT CORPSE TAKES PLACE. CALL IT DECEIPTFUL IF YOU DARE BUT I AM NOT THE ONE CLAIMING THAT SOMETHING SO UNCLEAN WE CAN'T EVEN TOUCH OR BECOME UNCLEAN OURSELVES IS GOING TO BECOME OUR ETERNAL SPIRITUAL BODY RAISED UP IN GLORY POWER AND INCORRUPION. Englishman's Concordance Strong's Greek: 3498. νεκρός (nekros) — 130 Occurrences Matthew 8:22 Adj-AMP GRK: ἄφες τοὺς νεκροὺς θάψαι τοὺς NAS: Me, and allow the dead to bury KJV: and let the dead bury their INT: leave the dead to bury Matthew 8:22 Adj-AMP GRK: τοὺς ἑαυτῶν νεκρούς NAS: to bury their own dead. KJV: bury their dead. INT: their own dead Matthew 10:8 Adj-AMP GRK: ἀσθενοῦντας θεραπεύετε νεκροὺς ἐγείρετε λεπροὺς NAS: raise [the] dead, cleanse KJV: raise the dead, cast out INT: Sick heal dead raise lepers Matthew 11:5 Adj-NMP GRK: ἀκούουσιν καὶ νεκροὶ ἐγείρονται καὶ NAS: hear, [the] dead are raised KJV: hear, the dead are raised up, INT: hear and dead are raised and 1 Corinthians 15:12 Adj-GMP GRK: ὅτι ἐκ νεκρῶν ἐγήγερται πῶς NAS: that He has been raised from the dead, how KJV: he rose from the dead, how say INT: that from among [the] dead he has been raised how 1 Corinthians 15:12 Adj-GMP GRK: ὅτι ἀνάστασις νεκρῶν οὐκ ἔστιν NAS: resurrection of the dead? KJV: no resurrection of the dead? INT: that a resurrection of [the] dead not there is 1 Corinthians 15:13 Adj-GMP GRK: δὲ ἀνάστασις νεκρῶν οὐκ ἔστιν NAS: resurrection of the dead, not even KJV: no resurrection of the dead, then is INT: however a resurrection of [the] dead not there is 1 Corinthians 15:15 Adj-NMP GRK: εἴπερ ἄρα νεκροὶ οὐκ ἐγείρονται NAS: if in fact the dead are not raised. KJV: if so be that the dead rise not. INT: if then [the] dead not are raised 1 Corinthians 15:16 Adj-NMP GRK: εἰ γὰρ νεκροὶ οὐκ ἐγείρονται NAS: For if the dead are not raised, KJV: For if the dead rise not, INT: if indeed [the] dead not are raised 1 Corinthians 15:20 Adj-GMP GRK: ἐγήγερται ἐκ νεκρῶν ἀπαρχὴ τῶν NAS: has been raised from the dead, the first fruits KJV: from the dead, [and] become INT: has been raised from among [the] dead first-fruit of those 1 Corinthians 15:21 Adj-GMP GRK: ἀνθρώπου ἀνάστασις νεκρῶν NAS: [came] the resurrection of the dead. KJV: the resurrection of the dead. INT: man resurrection of [the] dead 1 Corinthians 15:29 Adj-GMP GRK: ὑπὲρ τῶν νεκρῶν εἰ ὅλως NAS: who are baptized for the dead? If KJV: for the dead, if INT: for the dead if at all 1 Corinthians 15:29 Adj-NMP GRK: εἰ ὅλως νεκροὶ οὐκ ἐγείρονται NAS: If the dead are not raised KJV: the dead, if the dead rise not INT: if at all [the] dead not are raised 1 Corinthians 15:32 Adj-NMP GRK: ὄφελος εἰ νεκροὶ οὐκ ἐγείρονται NAS: me? If the dead are not raised, KJV: me, if the dead rise not? INT: profit if [the] dead not are raised 1 Corinthians 15:35 Adj-NMP GRK: ἐγείρονται οἱ νεκροί ποίῳ δὲ NAS: How are the dead raised? KJV: How are the dead raised up? and INT: are raised the dead with what moreover 1 Corinthians 15:42 Adj-GMP GRK: ἀνάστασις τῶν νεκρῶν σπείρεται ἐν NAS: is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown KJV: [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown INT: resurrection of the dead It is sown in 1 Corinthians 15:52 Adj-NMP GRK: καὶ οἱ νεκροὶ ἐγερθήσονται ἄφθαρτοι NAS: for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised KJV: and the dead shall be raised INT: and the dead will be raised imperishable 2 Corinthians 1:9 Adj-AMP GRK: ἐγείροντι τοὺς νεκρούς NAS: but in God who raises the dead; KJV: which raiseth the dead: INT: raises the dead Galatians 1:1 Adj-GMP GRK: αὐτὸν ἐκ νεκρῶν NAS: who raised Him from the dead), KJV: him from the dead;) INT: him from among [the] dead Ephesians 1:20 Adj-GMP GRK: αὐτὸν ἐκ νεκρῶν καὶ καθίσας NAS: when He raised Him from the dead and seated KJV: him from the dead, and set INT: him from among [the] dead and having set [him] Ephesians 2:1 Adj-AMP GRK: ὑμᾶς ὄντας νεκροὺς τοῖς παραπτώμασιν NAS: And you were dead in your trespasses KJV: [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses INT: you being dead in trespasses Ephesians 2:5 Adj-AMP GRK: ὄντας ἡμᾶς νεκροὺς τοῖς παραπτώμασιν NAS: even when we were dead in our transgressions, KJV: were dead in sins, INT: being we dead in trespasses Ephesians 5:14 Adj-GMP GRK: ἐκ τῶν νεκρῶν καὶ ἐπιφαύσει NAS: And arise from the dead, And Christ KJV: arise from the dead, and Christ INT: from among the dead and will will shine upon Philippians 3:11 Adj-GMP GRK: τὴν ἐκ νεκρῶν NAS: to the resurrection from the dead. KJV: unto the resurrection of the dead. INT: from out of dead Colossians 1:18 Adj-GMP GRK: ἐκ τῶν νεκρῶν ἵνα γένηται NAS: the firstborn from the dead, so KJV: the firstborn from the dead; that in INT: from among the dead that might be Colossians 2:12 Adj-GMP GRK: αὐτὸν ἐκ νεκρῶν NAS: of God, who raised Him from the dead. KJV: him from the dead. INT: him from among the dead Colossians 2:13 Adj-AMP GRK: καὶ ὑμᾶς νεκροὺς ὄντας ἐν NAS: When you were dead in your transgressions KJV: you, being dead in your sins INT: And you dead being in 1 Thessalonians 1:10 Adj-GMP GRK: ἐκ τῶν νεκρῶν Ἰησοῦν τὸν NAS: He raised from the dead, [that is] Jesus, KJV: from the dead, [even] Jesus, INT: from among the dead Jesus who 1 Thessalonians 4:16 Adj-NMP GRK: καὶ οἱ νεκροὶ ἐν Χριστῷ NAS: of God, and the dead in Christ KJV: of God: and the dead in Christ INT: and the dead in Christ 2 Timothy 2:8 Adj-GMP GRK: ἐγηγερμένον ἐκ νεκρῶν ἐκ σπέρματος NAS: risen from the dead, descendant KJV: from the dead according to INT: raised from among [the] dead of [the] seed 2 Timothy 4:1 Adj-AMP GRK: ζῶντας καὶ νεκρούς καὶ τὴν NAS: the living and the dead, and by His appearing KJV: the quick and the dead at his INT: living and dead and who And THOSE WHO NEVER DIE CAN'T BE THE DEAD IN CHRIST THEY ARE THE LIVING IN CHRIST WHO HAVE DEAD FLESH AND BLOOD BUT NOT DEAD IN ANY OTHER WAY. 4Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. 9For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. YOU DO REALIZE THAT BOTH THE JUST AND THE UNJUST DEAD ARE RAISED UP CORRECT? AND AT THE END OF THE MILLENNIUM SOME OF THOSE 'DEAD' WILL STAND AT THE GWTJ AND SOME OF THOSE DEAD WILL COME TO 'LIFE' BY GETTING THEIR NAMES IN THE BOOK OF LIFE RIGHT? AND THOSE ONCE DEAD WHO WORK TO GET THEIR NAMES IN THE BOOK OF LIFE would BE IN CHRIST, RIGHT?????????

I THINK I may have found an answer that...of forget the explanation WHEN I get to a place you don't agree, please let me know. 43But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Born again, ABIDING 44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. you have no fear of death, you are WORKING, you are laboring in the name of the Lord - car accident - angels dispatched to RAISE YOU UP FROM THE DEAD TAKE YOU TO THE LORD, you know the WAY, the LIFE, the RESURRECTION, you are on the way to the JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST, IT IS TIME FOR REWARDS OF THE THINGS DONE IN THIS BODY 45Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? your works HAVE followed YOU AND there are a TON OF THEM. You have been working day and night since you got saved, you know the Lord and the LORD knows you, and having been raised in incorruption, in glory and in power you now receive4 of the things done in this body, and if you have LOTS OF WORKS the 'glory of your star' will reflect it, it all your works are burned up, but you remain saved, your body will reflect that glory. ONE STAR differs from another star, some seeds are wheat some seeds are other. Some vessels are Gold and of honor some are of wood and dishonor the ONLY THING THAT DETERMINES THESE THINGS ARE YOU WORKS THAT FOLLOW YOU 46Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 47Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. HAVING BEEN RAISED IN GLORY and incorruption and power HAVING RECEIVED of your new body made without hands in heaven you are returning FROM ABOVE THE EARTH with Christ to sit upon thrones be a priests or rule or reign or judge or what ever over the dead who are about to rise up from under the earth. 48But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; you are not abiding, you are beginning to fall away, not walking in the Lord, not willfully sinning but if Christ doesn't show up soon..... 49And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; you are not only not abiding but you have gone into the world, the place the Holy Spirit used to dwell in you has been replaced with the evils of this world are you are DEEP IT, the Holy Spirit couldn't connect with you if it wanted to 50The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, car accident flesh and blood dies but you, you no longer know the way, you no longer know the LIFE, you no longer have the Holy Spirit dwelling inside you, you have so much unrepented sin that GOD CAN'T HEAR YOU so you CAN'T CALL upon the SAVING GRACE OF GOD you have become a sinner in the world, GOD DOESN'T HEAR YOUR PRAYERS 51And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. YOU ARE going where the hypocrites go, and they don't get to FOLLOW CHRIST, they have to WAIT till He returns before they are raised up So how do you fit souls in with those verses and get us from here to the day of the Lord

If the one believing has, then the one believing quits believing how does he get to keep what believing affords when no longer believing?

I didnt know if you wanted ME to answer all those questions of not. As for re saved no, there is none of that 26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Heb 10 1Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3And this will we do, if God permit. 4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. 7For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: 8But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned. Heb 6 I don't know how far that 'falling away' actually is...neither did the Nations of Israel...but once you reach that point...just as the blessings so the cursing's...

HE DIED ON THE CROSS so that YOUR SINS could be made clean the second you repented of them USED TO BE you had to take the best animal of your flock and go to the temple and confess to a priest and SLIT that animals throat and NEVER WERE ABLE to go into the HOLY OF HOLIES THOSE people had to WORRY about their sins and how long it took to GET TO THE POINT their sins could even be forgiven and on top of that they didn't have the BLOOD of the LAMB of GOD. WE on the other hand can have REPENTANCE and find FORGIVENESS and be WASHED CLEAN at OUR KNEES.

PROVING and REBUKE to you and all the rest of the crowd FOR CHOOSING A LIE OVER THE TRUTH 1And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say thou unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts, Hear ye the word of the LORD; Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing! Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts. Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD. They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, The LORD saith and the LORD hath not sent them and they have made others to hope that they would confirm the word. Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The LORD saith it; albeit I have not spoken? Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord GOD. And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD. Because, even because they have seduced my people, saying, Peace; and there was no peace; and one built up a wall, and, lo, others daubed it with untempered morter: Say unto them which daub it with untempered morter, that it shall fall: there shall be an overflowing shower; and ye, O great hailstones, shall fall; and a stormy wind shall rend it. Lo, when the wall is fallen, shall it not be said unto you, Where is the daubing wherewith ye have daubed it? Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even rend it with a stormy wind in my fury; and there shall be an overflowing shower in mine anger, and great hailstones in my fury to consume it. So will I break down the wall that ye have daubed with untempered morter, and bring it down to the ground, so that the foundation thereof shall be discovered, and it shall fall, and ye shall be consumed in the midst thereof: and ye shall know that I am the LORD. Thus will I accomplish my wrath upon the wall, and upon them that have daubed it with untempered morter, and will say unto you, The wall is no more, neither they that daubed it; To wit, the prophets of Israel which prophesy concerning Jerusalem, and which see visions of peace for her, and there is no peace, saith the Lord GOD. Likewise, thou son of man, set thy face against the daughters of thy people, which prophesy out of their own heart; and prophesy thou against them, And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe to the women that sew pillows to all armholes, and make kerchiefs upon the head of every stature to hunt souls! Will ye hunt the souls of my people, and will ye save the souls alive that come unto you? And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear your lies? Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly. Your kerchiefs also will I tear, and deliver my people out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunted; and ye shall know that I am the LORD. Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life: Therefore ye shall see no more vanity, nor divine divinations: for I will deliver my people out of your hand: and ye shall know that I am the LORD. As you can see, all the daubing with untempered mortar in the world ISN'T GOING to change the FACT you are choosing a DOCTRINE that GOD HIMSELF, WITH THE WORDS THAT COME OUT OF HIS MOUTH, SAYS is BAD, No matter OUR PERSONAL feelings BOTTOM LINE IS and there is really no way to get around it you ARE choosing your own righteousness over THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD and don't seem to get that YOUR righteousness is AS FILTHY RAGS before the Lord. I AM SURE the words 'you don't understand and/or that isn't what He meant and/or that is to a different people and/or one of the MANY excuses the wisdom of man has already invented' will come forth, but the CHOICE is yours to make... Promise LIFE or give the words of God.

I remember the exact moment I knew something horrible was taking place in at least one of the 'churches'. I was speaking with a soul claiming they had been 'saved', all their sins forgiven, just doing their thing now and waiting for the PRE TRIB RAP... when somewhere near the beginning of the conversation I said something about the Lamb of God. Who or what is that?? is what I got back.... That is what OSAS PRODUCES. Surely, we ALL know in our hearts and minds the sinful flesh jumps on the OSAS train, LIKE A DUCK takes to water. No study or ANYTHING thing else NEEDED, good to go PROVING, just like it is written, WHAT a doctrine that promises life does... 22Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:

Finding Scripture that says we can perish is like shooting fish in a barrel.

51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. IS THERE A BIBLE anywhere on the planet earth, THAT SAYS THESE DEAD are in Christ? I figure since the ADDITION and SUBTRACTION of Scripture is going on for the PERSONAL RELIGIONs OF SOME IS in FULL EFFECT, I would put forth THE HARD CORE FACT that not a single man, woman or child upon the planet earth CAN DISPUTE THERE IS NO 'IN CHRIST' WRITTEN HERE. Doesn't seem to matter OR even come into consideration that it ALSO falls right after THE DECAY DOESNT INHERIT IMMORTALITY (coincidence?) NOR THAT GOD USED A DIFFERENT WORD FOR THE BODY the dead receive FROM THE ONE them who are changed do but HOW EXACTLY is my believing exactly what is written as exactly what is meant TWISTED INTO ME BEING THE ONE WHO IS FOLLOWING A DIFFERENT GOSPEL? quite the trick. If I had a nickel for ALL THE TIMES I HEAR THOSE WORDS SO PEOPLE CAN KEEP THEIR PERSONAL RELIGION INTACT while MAKING VOID THE WORDS OF GOD I HAVE ALOT OF NICKELS Then again, DON'T ANSWER, I already know as the ONLY POSSIBILITY IS it's just another CONCLUSION OF MAN based UPON THE ASSUMPTION of MAN passed down by the TRADITIONS OF MAN that makes void the words of God. GET RID OF ALL BELIEFS and read it as written precept on precept....and you have Christ rising up, the graves of them who slept opening up and THEM BEING RESURRECTED followed by everyother man who NEVER DIES in their own order up to the last day when FINALLY, THE DEAD WHO HAVE BEEN IN THE GRAVE WAITING HIS RETURN to be resurrected, come up out from the place of the dead and to go to work trying to get their names in the book of life... Then THEY along with them in the clouds SEE THE GLORY OF GOD WHEN ALL THOSE WHO HAVE ENDURED TO THE END ARE CHANGED BEFORE THEIR VERY EYES AND THEY WATCH THEM BEING CAUGHT UP TO THE CLOUDS TO BE WITH CHRIST AND ALL THE HOLY SAINTS THAT RETURNED WITH HIM....THEY ALL HAVING BEEN RAISED UP WHEN THEIR FLESH AND BLOOD WAS SOWN, RAISED IN INCORRUPTION, IN POWER AND IN GLORY THEMSELVES, NO ONE RECEIVING THE GIFT OF SALVATION EVER AGAIN GOING INTO THE CORRUPTION OF THE GRAVE FROM THE DAY CHRIST GOT THE KEYS OF HELL AND DEATH, HIS WORK OF SALVATION COMPLETE. SO FROM THE DAY THE GRAVES WERE OPENED...EVERY MAN IN HIS OWN ORDER ALL OF THEM OF THE 1ST RESURRECTION WHICH IS OF RANK NOT TIME no excuses, no twisting, no conflict. YET I AM THE ONE HAVING ANOTHER GOSPEL? No HEAVENLY ETERNAL BODY COMING FROM THE DECAY THE CORRUPTION THE PLACE OF THE DEAD BUT FROM GOD. DOESN'T THAT JUST SOUND RIGHT, HOLY RIGHTEOUS? JUST SAYING IF YOU READ IT AS WRITTEN... THAT IS THE STORY GOD TELLS.

WHERE HAVE I EVER SAID I AM WRESTLE or WORRY ABOUT MY SALVATION? NEVER AND NO WHERE, SO MAKING A STATEMENT THAT I AM CHOOSING TO WRESTLE, IS THAT A TRUTH OR A LIE?

REALLY, THEY ARE NOT DIRECT AND OUTRIGHT?? as for 'close to slandering'?? HOW ABOUT COMPLETELY SLANDERING? Neither STAN NOR MYSELF HAS EVER SAID "ONE SIN AND LOSE SALVATION" though WE BOTH SAY YOU CAN LOSE YOUR SALVATION We say YOU MUST ABIDE in the covenant made with GOD We say - God says If anyone hears My teachings and does not keep them, I do not judge him aka in heaven Judgment seat of Christ for I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. 48The one who rejects Me and does not accept My teachings has one who judges him: the word which I spoke. That will judge him on the last day that would be AT THE GWTJ. And who stands at the GWTJ? NOT those who followed Christ to heaven Sparks had asked me what happens to those who have mocked God by not abiding in Him I said they die and have 1000 years to get their names written in the book of life RATHER than Following Him to heaven and returning with Him That is EXACTLY WHAT THOSE VERSES SAY I even give the definition of ACCEPT ACCEPT 2983. lambanó Strong's Concordance lambanó: to take, receive Original Word: λαμβάνω Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: lambanó Phonetic Spelling: (lam-ban'-o) Definition: to take, receive Usage: (a) I receive, get, (b) I take, lay hold of. HELPS Word-studies 2983 lambánō (from the primitive root, lab-, meaning "actively lay hold of to take or receive," see NAS dictionary) – properly, to lay hold by aggressively (actively) accepting what is available (offered). 2983 /lambánō ("accept with initiative") emphasizes the volition (assertiveness) of the receiver. You hear - if you sin one time you go to hell I give some Gods words from OLD TEST 16Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil; 17Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow. 18Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. 19If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land: 20But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it. I put forth more OLD TEST Scripture 25And I will turn my hand upon thee, and purely purge away thy dross, and take away all thy tin: 26And I will restore thy judges as at the first, and thy counsellors as at the beginning: afterward thou shalt be called, The city of righteousness, the faithful city. 27Zion shall be redeemed with judgment, and her converts with righteousness. 28And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be together, I say AS LONG as they have not turned away, He will not turn from them. THANK THE LORD GOD for that!!! I put forth NEW COVENANT forgiveness of sins 7Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: 8Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. I put forth OSAS promises life and that goes against what is written 21Your kerchiefs also will I tear, and deliver my people out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunted; and ye shall know that I am the LORD. 22Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life: I wonder why it doesn't matter that what is written about a doctrine promising life being a stumbling block because it doesn't make the wicked turn from their wicked way I put forth NEW TEST showing salvation lost 48But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; 49And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; 50The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, 51And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. HE sarcastically put forth You are saved by the Lord, and then he kicks you to the curb to manage your own affairs from then on, because now you can save yourself? and Irrevocable means the gift is 'incapable of being recalled or revoked; [it is] unchangeable; irreversible; unalterable.' To whom is whomever he grants a gift, which is anyone Born Again and Saved. I say But it isn't HIM that takes ANYTHING back. HE REMAINS the SAME. He remains FAITHFUL to the 'contract'. He puts forth It would be pretty ridiculous if Jesus required you to handle things you could not handle before, as salvation does not grant a sin-free life and we cannot resist certain sins. And if you think you are sin-free as a Christian, you are mistaken. There is a reason why we pray to God to lead us from temptation. It's because we can be easily tempted into sin, and some sin is as simple as a thought. to which I reply WE ARE HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD, not a lower one, having received the Holy Spirit than those who ARE ONLY UNDER THE LAW. to which he replies That's just it, we are not under the law, yet we somehow need to keep the law? And, yes, it is contrary to the scripture. So, why not describe how this loss of Salvation happens? Give me an example, and then how you regain salvation? To which I reply 26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? How does it come back? The dead will rise when Christ returns with the LIVING and they have 1000 years to work to get their name in the book of life. If they do that they go from being dead to LIVING aka operational in the ways of God. AND IF YOU GO BACK TO THE TOP OF THE PAGE, YOU WILL FIND THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS THIS VERY THING he says OK, so you are walking a long one day minding your own business, and BOOM, you lose salvation. In this case because you looked at someone lustfully. You are saying you have to try to EARN the thing you couldn't earn, later? TO WHICH I SAY WHICH OBVIOUSLY IS VERY MUCH OPPOSED TO SIN ONCE LOSE SALVATION Is that WILLFULLY sinning? Is that turning away from God to follow after the ways of the world instead? Is that choosing as your master the lusts of the flesh? Sounds like a sin that would make one repent because the Holy Spirit would send a conviction upon the soul. And 'earn it'? Since there is no way for any of us to become the Son of God and to be crucified and become the Lamb of God... using the word 'EARN' doesn't work on any level. Just Repent and ask forgiveness. And THANK GOD you don't have to keep a flock of animals and go get the best one and slit it throat and confess your sins to a priest, but can boldly go into the Holy of Holies yourself...through the blood of the Lamb of God How about 'deliver' your soul? "Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul." Ezekiel 33:9 KJV he says You bet. Remember, you said we could lose it, not me, and in our scenario you lost it. So, it was willful. You said we had to work for it for 1000 years to get it back. That is also know as earning it. I don't think this is even close to the correct interpretation. TO WHICH I SAY (and you should go back to the top of the post again to refer to the Scripture) 'I still say the words of God say we can lose it Stan says ….correct in your assessment… he says So, I guess you have never sinned since being saved? How special for you. It's too bad no one else can. Only Jesus pulled off a sin-free life, but somehow you can now do it too? Forgive me if I doubt you. and reply to me If the Bible is never in conflict with itself, and scripture directly addresses God never revoking his Gifts, then Salvation (which is a gift) won't be revoked. You cannot lose it once if you have it. I am just trying to figure out what you think happens once you have sinned, and allegedly lost your salvation. Your scriptures do not counter Romans 11:29 in this matter. Since it can't counter it and the Bible does not conflict with itself, you might the one misinterpreting. So I give the Covenants he says I am just trying to figure out what you think happens once you have sinned, and allegedly lost your salvation. to which I reply It isn't ONCE you have sinned, LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN so you don't EVER WRITE IT like I have EVER ONCE SAID or made you think YOU CAN'T HAVE A SINGLE SIN, OK? but you can't fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken. So, AS YOU SEE IT CAN YOU WORSHIP THE BEAST AND STILL BE ONE OF THE ALIVE AND REMAINING OR NOT? then he says According to your theory, if you are 'still saved' then you could not have sinned since the day of your salvation, because if you had sinned just one tiny time, you would have lost your salvation. I am afraid that is how the syllogism adds up whether you said so or not, unless you are saying you are not saved any more because you did sin, or never were saved or something like that. That would change the math equation, too. Now with Stan, I never really got an answer about his theories, but in either case you would both have to remain sin-free to maintain your salvation, according to your own theories and statements. I wish you the best of luck with that because I don't think any of us, saved or not, can remain in an absolutely sin-free life while we exist in the flesh. It is impossible for everyone, except Jesus. my reply And you think I am closer to you than Stan? Stan and I are as close to being in complete agreement with each other as humanly possible. And we both oppose you 100%. You ASSIGN to me a theory that stems completely from your own imagination, and then say I am further from Stan than you are. When will the lies stop? SO YOU TELL ME, WHO IS DOING WHAT TO WHOM?

Who they are IRREVOCABLE TO? 13For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: 14If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them. 15For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? 16For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. 17And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; 18Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. 19Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. 20Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in His goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 23And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. 24For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree? 25For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. 28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes 29For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. 30For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 31Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. 32For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. THOSE UNDER THE ABRAHAMIC COVENANT.

And I PRAY TO THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY THAT ONE DAY, WE STAND IN FRONT OF HIM TOGETHER SO THE THOUGHTS AND INTENTS OF OUR HEARTS AND MINDS WILL BE REVEALED for all to see, don't you? "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:" Matthew 7:7 KJV

God of the LIVING AND NOT THE DEAD. 36Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards. 37Peter said unto him, Lord, why cannot I follow thee now? I will lay down my life for thy sake. 38Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, till thou hast denied me thrice. 1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto Myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 4And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know. 5Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? 6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 20Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. 24Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. 25O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.

The entire chapter is about REAL death and resurrection and real bodies and what does and what doesn't take place. No one is speaking to whether men are regenerated or not. That would be an incredible strange place to suddenly go in that direction and then suddenly leave it. Time was shortened or else NO FLESH would be saved aka NO ONE even alive and remaining. So who are these in flesh or sin are you talking about. We are told of the tares being gathered and burned, the vine of the earth going into the wine press and ALL FLESH from kings on down to slaves having their flesh eaten by birds. When Christ returns everyone will have either taken the mark of the beast or not. Do you believe that someone could take the mark of the beast and not suffer the first death when Christ returns? If they don't die then those with the mark of the beast would receive immortality, wouldn't they? It says the decay will rise and put on IMPERISHABLE and nothing else. And the dead have NOTHING to do with those who won't die. There isn't even a mystery about the dead rising. It was a well known fact the dead would rise. So they have nothing to do with the MYSTERY in that way either. all not will die however all will be changed. That is about a very specific group and a very specific action taking place upon that group. THERE ISN'T A SINGLE WORD THERE THAT ADDS THE DEAD to them. THE DEAD ARE DEAD SO so they can't be of 'all not will die' nor 'all will be changed' He returns with all the Holy Saints. And those with the gift of salvation can't be the dead because they never die. "To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints." 1 Thessalonians 3:13 KJV in Christ or not, they are the DEAD in Christ not the LIVING or the NEVER DIE in Christ. The having received the gift are RETURNING HAVING already been raised up. THAT ISN'T WHAT IS WRITTEN AT ALL. AND YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE THEM not make assumptions and believe those. all FLESH that is ALIVE AND REMAINING IS CHANGED SO ALL FLESH THAT DOESN'T RECEIVE IMMORTALITY has to be dead. NO FLESH AND BLOOD IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. Remember what happened the LAST TIME angels and humans were on the earth? Think God is going to let that happen for 1000 years? "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." Revelation 12:9 KJV 8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9If any man have an ear, let him hear. 2And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image. 3And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea. And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. 15Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. 16And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. 17And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day. "And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God." Revelation 14:19 KJV "Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn." Matthew 13:30 KJV| And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. 19And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 20And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh. 9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 33When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

PLEASE show me where any of us who don't believe in OSAS have ever said anything to that effect. Or stop with the FALSE WITNESSING.

ONCE you have sinned? It isn't ONCE you have sinned, LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN so you don't EVER WRITE IT like I have EVER ONCE SAID or made you think YOU CAN'T HAVE A SINGLE SIN, OK? but you can't fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken. So, AS YOU SEE IT CAN YOU WORSHIP THE BEAST AND STILL BE ONE OF THE ALIVE AND REMAINING OR NOT?

HOPEFULLY you will find this answer in the EXPLANATION OF THE COVENANTS. Then go back and read what I gave you previously on it. As it will 'COUNTER' all you need countered.

It is the WORDS and the perspective you choose that ENABLES you to say that but the foundation of it is, IN FACT in err. YOU are trying to make a CONDITIONAL COVENANT into an Everlasting Covenant but that isn't how GOD works. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the words of God and the words of God themselves in the New TEST HAVE some really big IFS. So, IF you HAVE COME to faith and taken the Lord as YOUR SAVIOUR, you KNOW that by doing that it isn't UNDER ANY CONDITION YOU WISH it is under the conditions stated. God doesn't hide any of the IFS. THEY stand loud and clear and while it is true IF you do follow them the covenant remains in effect BUT IF you don't, neither does it. but REST ASSURED, It is never TAKEN away by God. HE REMAINS FAITHFUL. WE can count on HIS END being DONE exactly as HE HAS promised. That does in no way negate the CONDITIONS that MUST BE MET. That is HOW HE WORKS There is the Abrahamic covenant. THAT is an EVERLASTING Contract. Unalterable, unchangeable and everlasting. IT EXISTS TO THIS DAY. Gen 13:16, 15:5, all of chapter 17, 22:17, 32:12 etc. And in Hebrews 6 we learn 13For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by Himself, 14Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee. 15And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise. 16For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife. 17Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath: 18That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us: 19Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil; 20Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. Then we have the National Covenant. 7And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient. 8And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words. SOUND FAMILIAR? JUST LIKE THE 'being saved' covenant as they both have IFS, THESE COVENANTS ARE CONDITIONAL. If the conditions are MET, the covenant remains in force. YOU know what happened to those under the National covenant right? THEY DIDN'T OBEY AND THEY LOST POSESSION NOT JUST OF THE LAND BUT ALSO THE NATION That is HOW GOD WORKS. That is why we go to the Schoolmaster first, so that when we get to these things, WE ALREADY understand the RIGHTEOUSNESS of GOD and we don't make up OUR OWN RELIGION, but we stick with what we know to be HIS TRUTHS. So you can CLAIM as you want, but that claim DOESN'T MAKE IT GODS TRUTH and the only way to STICK with that claim is, if you are willing to EITHER make void or disregard many of them altogether. I am not willing to do that for any reason, least of all a doctrine that is responsible for allowing WOLVES free access to the ewes WITH the BLESSINGS of the shepherds that are supposed to be sent out to protect them. Gives light to 'with a foolish nation..." I gave you Scripture that states there is no more sacrifice for sin even after they have known the Holy Spirit, yet even that isn't good enough, what's a girl to do? You think you can persuade me with a preponderance of evidence? Go for it. Put it all together, I can do as many words as you think is needed. But you are at the bottom of a really steep mountain.