3 hours ago, dhchristian said:

They are the Fig tree, and she has leaves, but no fruit yet. Fruit come when the Spirit is given them which happens when they mourn for Him whom they have pierced. The fact is, that only the dispensationalists knew Israel would be a reborn a nation, which they were in 1948.

Because right now in this dispensation she is not the chosen People, Those who are in Christ are. For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. (Romans 11:27) This is the last and final dispensation... I believe you call it covenant right?... Like the verse says. When doe s this occur... again I point you to Zech. 12:10ff... You should read that passage.

Again, they are not the chosen people right now because of their unbelief, so they have no faith in Christ apart from the remnant of Jews who are Christians. 

 

No, Jesus is the Only Way, and he is the sacrifice once for all. Israel will receive Jesus as their messiah and be restored from their blindness, when they Mourn for him whom they have pierced see Zech. 12:10ff again.

They are not under any covenant right now, they will be when they "mourn for him whom they have pierced"... that is the New Covenant.

As You can see your questions are quite simple to answer. In fact, I have already answered all of them just you have not comprehended them. As concerning the Gospel they are enemies, but through our mercy to them they will repent and receive Jesus as their messiah, saying "blessed is he who comes in the name of the LORD" Between now and that day, however there is a lot that they will do that is wicked, such as make a deal with the antichrist, who comes in another name, and quite likely justify the beheading of Christians via Noahidism which will be used by the Antichrist... Undoubtedly those Jews who say they are Jews but are not (Baylonian Talmudic Judaism) will undoubtedly be involved. The Karaites, and the ones that reject Noahidism will probably be the ones that understand the Abomination of desolation and flee into the wilderness.     

1) Jesus cursed the fig tree and He didn't change His mind because the nation as a whole rejected Him. 

2) Dispensations is an invention of man. Both John Darby and C.I. Scofield mangled the scriptures to give room to a people that God had already rejected 2,000 years ago because they crucified His Son and thus said their last NO to God. Yet God in His grace has kept the door open for all peoples to come to Christ, including Jews. 

3) There are no promises to Israel or the land in the NT. Have you ever thought why? I tell you why, because God has always had one people only, not two or more. One people of faith (Heb. 11:6, Ro. 8:9). So, in God's economy only those believers that are in Christ are His people while Israel of old was finally judged in AD 70. After that, there was never be another physical nation where God would be in covenant with. 

God's eternal or everlasting covenant is with Christ where we are the recipients of God's grace for as long as we believe in Christ. 

2 hours ago, iamlamad said:

First mistake: when Jesus died, he redeemed THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE back to God. Therefore, sinners belong to God - not as children,  as born again people are His children, but his possession. The Jews of course are included in this.

Second mistake, not believing the scriptures: 

Zec. 12:2-3  “Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of drunkenness to all the surrounding peoples, when they lay siege against Judah and Jerusalem.  And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it.

This day is still in our future.

Ezek. 37

¹¹ Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

¹² Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

¹³ And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

¹⁴ And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

Then we have the last ten chapters of Ezekiel about the millennium temple.

Since you don't believe those living in Israel now fulfill this verse: then you have two choices: God changed His mind, or some day in the future DIFFERENT people in inhabit Israel

My question is, which choice do you believe? Or perhaps you have a different option?

First mistake: When did I ever say that Jesus did not redeem the whole world? 

Second mistake: The mistake is yours because you are using old covenant scriptures without connecting it to Christ and His finished work of redemption. Secondly, if you want your scriptures to stick, show support in the NT  because scriptures explain scriptures. 

Taking scriptures out of context is a mistake. 

Lastly, what kind of scriptures do you have in the NT that will deny the cross in order to build another temple at the end of time where sacrifices will be offered once again?  Since when does God go back to the beginning, ignore the finished work of Christ in order to accomodate a bunch of unbelieving Jews?

That I would call blasphemy. Plain and simple. 

10 minutes ago, dhchristian said:

As I said before, you obviously have a hard time comprehending written words. You see Romans 11 comes after Romans 9, and this is Paul's Epiphany. By Epiphany, I mean a moment of sudden insight or Revelation, which is expressed in verses 33 (Which I did not quote).

You see, as Paul was writing He was shown something Marvelous, which you are missing out on all together with your theology, and that is the Wisdom and Omniscience of God, In that His Plan of salvation accounted for the failure of Israel and He will restore Israel as well through the Gentiles.

But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. (Matt 5:44-48)

Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world. There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. (1 John 4:17-18)

You are afraid of Israel, the nation.... Why?

 

If I have a hard time comprehending the word of God is not because I push it to the end times where no one can prove anything. I have to have reality when I read and study God's word.

Are you going to dismiss Romans 2:28-29 and Romans 9 because in your view Romans 11 fits your theology better? 

What you have been missing all along is that the Israel of 2,000 years and the Israel of today are two completely different people. One was in covenant with God, while the modern one (secular and ungodly) is not. One does not mean the other. Most Christians are trying to connect the wrong dots.

I'm not afraid of Israel as a nation because no one outside of Christ belongs to God. (Ro. 8:9). The issue here is that most of Christendom have believed this lie for too long. 

A few questions for you, 

1) What connection does modern Israel have with God? 

2) If modern Israel are still the chosen people, why is it that God has not spoken one single word to them since Christ ascended to the throne of glory? (Heb. 1:2-3) 

3) If modern Israel is God's people, where is their faith in Christ?

4) Can anybody be chosen outside of Christ? (Eph. 1:4)

5) If modern Israel is a continuation of old Israel, under what covenant are they under? 

All you have to do is to ask the right questions and your theory about Israel will fall apart like a deck of cards. 

18 minutes ago, luigi said:

The generation who shall see all these events shall not pass, until all these things in the Olivets are fulfilled (Matthew 24:34). You can't say some happened two thousand years ago, and some is still to happen in the future. To claim so denies the Word. We have yet to been gathered from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other (Matthew 24:31).

 Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 

Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Using a 412 year old translation, takes away from the flavor and the intent of Jesus's words to His disciples. 

On 9/7/2019 at 11:21 PM, patrick jane said:

Israel’s Future Salvation

 

By Justin Johnson

Today Israel is not enjoying their covenanted political status over the Gentiles and has fallen from their spiritual status before God.

 

This has led some to think that they will not be reestablished in their former position.

 

During Paul’s ministry the Romans knew that Israel was promised a kingdom where they would reign over the Gentiles. Christ had come, but Israel’s salvation had not. They began to doubt whether the promises to Israel would have any real effect.

 

This is far from the truth! Paul dispels this idea in chapters 9, 10, and 11 of Romans beginning with, “Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect.” – Romans 9:6

 

Perhaps they reasoned as Covenant theologians today that God had replaced Israel with the Gentile church and that the ‘eternal’ covenants made with Israel were indeed only temporary.

 

Also like Covenant theologians today these Romans needed a better understanding of the mystery information given to Paul.

“For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. “ – Romans 11:25

 

Some Romans may have thought that God had cast away Israel, his people, forever. – Romans 11:1

 

Contrarily Paul teaches that their blindness is only temporary and will only last “until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.” – Romans 11:25

 

Just as natural branches will be graffed back into their own tree so “all Israel shall be saved: as it is written.” – Romans 11:26

 

Though Gentile salvation in this dispensation is a glorious manifestation of the grace of God, the fullness of times will be greater still.

“Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?” – Romans 11:12

By the way, I never said that the church replaced Israel. I don't believe in Replacement theology because is dead wrong from the get go. Israel ceased to be a nation in AD 70 because they refused to receive their Messiah; instead, they killed Him, which constitutes the greatest crime of all history. You don't get to kill the Son of God and get away with it.  

Matthew 23:34–38 (NASB95)

³⁴ “Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city,

³⁵ so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

³⁶ “Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

³⁷ “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.

³⁸ “Behold, your house is being left to you desolate!"

Do you think God suffers from amnesia? Please take note of v:36 

On 9/8/2019 at 1:54 AM, Justin Adams said:

Ahh, so you KNOW what God meant, whereas I do not. Typical of your posts. See Patrick Jane's post. (above)

Romans 9:6–8 (NASB95)

^{6 "}But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel;

⁷ nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but: “through Isaac your descendants will be named.”

⁸ That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants."

Romans 2:28–29 (NASB95)

^{28 "}For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor uncircumcision that which is outward in the flesh.

²⁹ But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God."

My opinion means nothing at all. What it matters is what God's word says.  

On 9/8/2019 at 7:01 AM, luigi said:

The Lord in Mark 13:37 tell us all to watch for the signs mentioned in His Olivets. If these events have already occurred in 70 AD with the destruction of the faithless in Jerusalem, we are then, since 70 AD no longer compelled to keep watch for all the signs mentioned. I, however, recognize that the signs described in the Olivets have not transpired, and so I will keep watch.

Mark 13:37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch. 

If your opinion says that the signs of the described in the Olivet's discourse have not transpired yet, is it because of what? Some of the things that Jesus said were metaphors of allusions to a greater truth. Jewish culture used language and exaggerated truths that needed to be heeded.

So, if you would understand that the Lord was speaking to a specific people with something specific in mind, you would probably be more open to God's word with the intention that Jesus gave it. 

1) Who was Jesus speaking to? His disciples of course.

2)Did Jesus give His disciples any clues as to when these things would take place? Yes, He did. He told them all the things He had prophesied would occur in their own generation (Mark 13:30)

So, why do we think that the bible was written to us only and meant nothing at all to the people that lived in the days of Jesus? 

3) Israel's greatest crime which surpasses every other crime in history was to kill their own Messiah through lies and deceptions. What shall God do, promise them the land and continue to cater to them when all along they didn't give a fig about Christ's willingness to take them to the final step of God's eternal plan which was their full redemption? 

Finally, all of God's promises to Israel rested on whether they would believe in the Son of God or reject God's eternal purposes for them. Only the remnant did it which was enough for God. The rest were condemned while Israel as a nation ceased to exist forever. 

4) God has His people today which is made out of both Jews and Gentiles. The common denominator is Jesus Christ. 

Ephesians 4:4–6 (NASB95)

^{4 "}There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling;

⁵ one Lord, one faith, one baptism,

⁶ one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all."

Pretty simple, isn't it? 

1 hour ago, dhchristian said:

I Am going to quote from Romans 11, and highlight some passages for you, for your attitude does not show the Love of God For Israel, which we are called to show them, that by our mercy they may be restored. 

1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, 3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. 4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. 7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded 8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day. 

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. 12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? …..15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? 16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. 17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; 18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. 20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. 24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree? 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. 

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. 29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. 30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Israel is the fig tree which Jesus spoke of. Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: (Matthew 24:32)  Notice the fig tree puts forth leaves, but has no fruit. This parable is speaking of the restoration of Israel the nation, before she receives Jesus, Which is what Paul points to in romans 11. Yes they are enemies of the Gospel, But in this time they are the enemies that the Gentile believers must show mercy towards that He can restore them. This is the very quality of the fulness in Christ that my post here speaks of that we are to Love one another as he Loved us.... That is to say we being enemies had mercy extended to us must now in turn extend mercy to Israel that their restoration will be complete. "What shall the receiving of them be but life from the dead" (Rom 11:15).

You see, the fulness of the gentiles is tied into the restoration and redemption of Israel. (Romans 11:25) We have not replaced Israel, we are here to restore Israel, that through our love for the enemies of the Gospel they may obtain mercy....And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. (Zech. 12:10)

You can continue in your hatred for Israel, But you are doing the Work of the beast for them gathering the nations for the battle of Armageddon. (rev. 16:13-14) Your hatred for them is also your fruit, and you know what Jesus said about bad fruit?

  

1) Who said that God has cast away the Jews? The doors of salvation have been open for them for the last 2,000 years. Do you think they should have a special invitation to come to Christ?

2) God's people are only those who are in Christ, not Christ-haters or the ungodly. Rom. 8:9-11 tells us that only those who have the Spirit of Christ belong to Him.

3) Why was old Israel blinded? Did God force them not to believe and so when died, they wound up in hell? No, they were blinded because of the hardness of their own hearts. God simply gave them what they deserved. 

4) What makes you think that God was speaking about modern Israel in Romans of the NT? God never relates to anyone without making a covenant. The words of Paul had to do with old-covenant Israel, NOT with modern-non-covenant, ungodly, Christ-hater and physical, secular Israel. 

One has nothing whatsoever to do with the other one. 

5) Romans 9:6 precedes Romans 11. In it Paul states very clearly that not all Israel is Israel...

Romans 9:6–8 (NASB95)

^{6 "}But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel;

⁷ nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but: “through Isaac your descendants will be named.”

⁸ That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants."

The children of the promise are those believers that have bowed the knee to Christ.

Simple, isn't it? 

52 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

I have discovered that you don't believe much of the bible - only your hand picked verses. What will you do with the rest of His word?

On the contrary, I have stuck to the scriptures faithfully for 35 years and rejected most of the modern theologies that add to the scriptures what is not there. You should try it too; after all, when all have said and done, what will you do when you come to the presence of the Lord having believed so many manufactured lies? 

5 hours ago, Adstar said:

The Book of Revelation is part of the NT... Jesus even spoke in parables about the time when he would rule with the Saints

Luke 19: KJV

12 "He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return. {13} And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come. {14} But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us. {15} And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. {16} Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds. {17} And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities. {18} And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds. {19} And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities."

Just because we may not understand why there will be a millennial kingdom does not mean that there will not be one..

 

 

 

What do you mean by saying, "Just because we don't understand why there will be a Millenial kingdom" does to mean that there will be one? 

Of course I understand! I understand perfectly that there will be NO MILLENNIUM. It is farce created by magicians and deplorables that have taken the word of God and twisted it, distorted and poof they say Jesus will reign on the "Millennium." The reason for this is because somehow they have to include ungodly, Chritless and physical Israel into the picture which is anathema.

Nowhere in the NT do I read about a Millennial Kingdom. What I read is that Jesus sat down on the throne, at the right hand of the Father to reign forever and ever. 

Matthew 28:18–20 (NASB95)

^{18 "}And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

¹⁹“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,

²⁰ teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

Hebrews 1:3 (NASB95)

^{3 "}And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high."

Jesus is bigger than the universe itself. After all He is God Almighty, Creator and Redeemer (Col. 1:16)

On 9/5/2019 at 1:44 AM, Adstar said:

The Millennium is not undermined by any of the scriptures you quote..  The Millennium is firmly established in the Book of Revelation Chapter 20.. 

Why is there a need for a "Millennium" when Jesus reigns in the heavens over all His creation? The fact that the entire NT is silent about a literal reign of Christ on earth, should be sufficient for us, don't you think so? 

On 9/5/2019 at 1:26 AM, Traveler said:

That was well thought out

Thank you brother! 

6 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

I just will not refute you, just warn others regarding your ideas. I am not entering into any kind of adversarial exchange with you since I find that to be disheartening and pointless. 

I only comment what God’s word states. I provide nothing else. If you have questions or doubts, just ask. Thank you.

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On 9/5/2019 at 9:36 AM, Justin Adams said:

Oh boy. What a lot of words! If you do not understand the Tanach you will not understand the apostles' accounts. God ALWAYS had a plan to Redeem the whole world. "All Israel will be saved" is Saul's theological affirmation. He knew the Tanach and other writings intimately. He had been to the Council. He knew the plan.  That means ALL that Believe on the Lord Yeshua/Jesus shall be saved whether Israeli or non Israeli; all of the believers on the Lord Yeshua/Jesus shall be saved. That is it.

It depends what God calls "all Israel" as opposed of what you believe what the word of God means.

On 9/5/2019 at 5:19 AM, luigi said:

Within a decade after crucifying the Lord, the faithless murderers in Jerusalem began exiling all the faithful out of Jerusalem (Acts 8:1). These faithless murderers who killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, the Holy Spirit through Paul declared as being unpleasing to God, and contrary to all men (1 Thessalonians 2:15). As such, the Lord's wrath came upon these murderers to the uttermost (1 Thessalonians 2:16), which is represented in the 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem. Does the Lord then in His Olivets in Mark 13; Luke 21; and Matthew 24; refer to these faithless murderers?  

Acts 8:1 And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles. 

1 Thessalonians 2:15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: 16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

Yes, the Lord was referring to them in His parables, in the cursing of the fig tree and in His regular confrontation with the Jews. 

On 9/5/2019 at 3:54 AM, Justin Adams said:

A tilted and incomplete view I am afraid. You quote many words that do not amount to much.

Why don't you refute me instead of wasting your time in saying nothing? 

On 9/5/2019 at 9:26 AM, ejected said:

5 were in a 'church' coma, 5 were awake to the false doctrines, errors, and apostacy. 

Out of context. Jesus was talking to the Jews of HIs day about the kingdom of God. Can you explain in the light of the parable who were the 10 virgins as the Jews understood it? 

6 hours ago, patrick jane said:

Nobody cares about your lying link.

Afraid of the truth? I thought so. 

Hebrews 1:1–3 (NASB95) 
1 “God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, 
2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. 
3 And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.”

The first thing I see when I begin to read the book of Hebrews is the supremacy and over the top sufficiency of Christ over all creation. The writer of Hebrews makes no apology when He reveals in the first three verses of chapter one that they were living in the last days of the old covenant which were overlapping with the new.

It is important to understand that the "last days" was also a holy announcement that the era of Israel as God's chosen people was over and done with forever as the end and the final judgment of the nation was around the corner (A.D. 70).

As for us, everything that needed to be said has been said in Christ, therefore there is nothing else that needs to happen that can catch our tingling ears, except the coming of the Lord to take His bride away and the judgment of the wicked. After that, we will see the birth of new heavens and a new earth as promised by the God who cannot lie (Isa 65:17, 66:22, 2Pe 3:13).

Having said all that, it is also very important to understand that regardless of what we believe about the last days, we must know that Jesus is the last word that God will speak to all generations.

The final word is that "God has spoken to us in His Son." There will be no new word, no new prophecy and no new revelation to the world apart from the revelation of Jesus Christ and what He accomplished in His death, His resurrection, His ascension and the sending of the Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ began and ended the work of redemption for all mankind. "It is finished" (Jn 19:30).

Hebrews 1:1-3 reveals that…

1. The Lord is the heir of all things. 
2. Jesus is the agent by whom God created the world. This makes the Word the creator of all things (Jn 1:1-3, Col. 1:16-17)
3. Jesus is the radiance of God's glory.
4. Jesus, in His humanity, was and is the exact representation of God's holy nature
5. Jesus upholds or sustains all things by the word of His power. 
6. Jesus is the only one who has made possible the purification for our sins
7. He sits at the right hand of power and reigns forever and ever. This took place after He completed mankind’s redemption (Lk 1:68, Ro 3:24, Eph 1:7, 1:20-21, Col 1:14, Heb 9:12, 15)

Finally, for Christians that continue to swallow the lie that modern and SECULAR ISRAEL is somehow a result of some obscure Old Testament prophecy, let it be known that if the Word of God (Jesus Christ, God the Son) did not mention it at all, is because it was simply not part of His plan. Since not one of His apostles throughout the entire new testament didn’t mention it either, it should be sufficient then for the believer to drop this made up doctrine and let it go for good.

The fact is that if the Lord did not mention a supposed return to a land, it is because it was completely irrelevant to His eternal plan of redemption. It is a historical fact that He dealt with sin and death on behalf of all the world on the cross of Calvary, therefore there is no need for an additional work of redemption on behalf of an ungodly nation that hates the very mention of the name of Jesus.

To believe in a fabricated dispensational out of connection stunt compared with the reality of the finished work of Christ is to insinuate that God left things undone and therefore His “pet nation” must somehow have a special salvation apart from the rest of the world.

The modern believer of today should be aware and be wise enough not to listen to some of the popular teachers of today that have perverted the word of God in order to push their false beliefs as they continue to confuse and deceive the church to wait for an event that will never take place, e.g. the Millennium.

God is holy and limitlessly perfect. He makes no mistakes, forgets nothing and will not change His mind. The work of redemption was finished at the cross for all time (Jn 19:30)

21 hours ago, douge said:

May I respectfully say it is not limiting scripture to take it literally but rather nullifying  it.

All Israel is not saved today nor in possession of all the promised land as far as I know and Jesus is not reigning from Jerusalem so I do not see that all the promises have been fulfilled. 

Modern and ungodly Israel today is nothing but a secular nation just like the rest of them. God's promise to OLD COVENANT ISRAEL was Jesus Christ. Period. He is the fulfillment of all God's promises (Lk 24:25-27, 44-45, Jn 5:39-40). Jesus was the glory and the hope of old Israel (Lk 2:32, Acts 28:20).

About modern Israel:

1) They are not in covenant with God

2) They have no faith in Christ

3) They are lost in their sins and,

4) They hate the very name of Jesus. 

So, it is important to know that God's people have always been a people of FAITH, not a people of a certain race. The gospel is the good news that saves ALL PEOPLES from their sins which includes of course Jews. 

Jesus addressing the Jews of His day:

John 10:26–28 (NASB95)

²⁶ “But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep.

²⁷ “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;

²⁸ and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand."

This modern nation is a deception and stumbling block for Christians because they have yet to discover that Jesus fulfilled all prophecies that God gave Israel:

1) Forgiveness of sins

2) Eternal life

3) The promise of the Spirit. 

4) A new resurrected boy like the glorious body of Jesus Christ (Phil. 3:20-21)

By the way, Jews have been coming to the Lord for the last 2,000 years. The doors of salvation are still open for them and for the rest of the world. 

43 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

Yes, this is one truth of the word of God. But to tell you the truth, it is just one more proof of what you are arguing against: dispensations - or times of different ordering of things. Notice "he nullified in his flesh the law of commandments..." When Christ came, it was a new order of things: it was for the first time ever:  "God with us - Immanuel!"

You pointed out great scriptures.  Good post.

Thanks, but I would like to add one more thing. The law of commandments was part of the old covenant. God did this in order to establish the everlasting covenant that began in Christ and which will never end. 

Dispensations have nothing to do with anything. It's nothing by man made. 

God bless, 

8 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

Yes this is pathetic. Even Spurgeon got this wrong and many theologians down thru the ages that show a positive hatred of Israel.

If you look at a good translation of Psalm 82 and, Deut 32 (the scattering) you will also find many scriptures that promise a return and regathering of the nations and the new Israel as the apostle says includes Israel (regathering of the ten) and the regathering of the nations scattered at Babel due to their sins. This is why Pentecost is so important and shows God's methods are not always ours or plainkly observable. It is a HAPPENING thing today...

All Israel will be saved - non Israelis and Israelis alike because all believers are 'the seed of Abraham'.

What is pathetic is to think that Israel was an end in itself. God is not a respecter of persons. He is completely impartial in all that He does, so the main reason why God chose Israel was to undo the sin of Adam through one of their own, which happened to be the Lord of glory (Genl 3:15). This He did in order to bless the world through the preaching of the gospel of salvation. 

Genesis 12:3 (NASB95)

"And I will bless those who bless you, and the one who curses you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed.”

Israel was a covenant nation that was moving forward to the fulfilment of God promises through Jesus Christ. If you took the Lord out of the picture, you wind up with a sinful nation that constantly broke God's covenant and who wanted nothing but to be like the rest of the nations. 

God worked with a remnant from the beginning to accomplish His eternal goal. So, only those who believed in Christ inherited the promises. The rest of the nation rejected their deliverer and Lord, crucified Him through the Romans and said a final NO to God. 

What did God do? He judged them and removed the nation from His sight forever, 

Luke 21:20–24 (NASB95)

²⁰ “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near.

²¹“Then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains, and those who are in the midst of the city must leave, and those who are in the country must not enter the city;

22 Because these are days of vengeance, so that all things which are written will be fulfilled.

²³ “Woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days; for there will be great distress upon the land and wrath to this people;

²⁴ and they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled under foot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled." (Until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled: Referring to the period following Rome’s destruction and re-subjugation of Jerusalem.)

Matthew 23:34–38 (NASB95)

³⁴“Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city,

³⁵ so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

³⁶“Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

³⁷“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.

³⁸“Behold, your house is being left to you desolate!"

Paul picked by the Spirit that the judgment was around the corner, 

1 Thessalonians 2:14–16 (NASB95)

^{14 "}For you, brethren, became imitators of the churches of God in Christ Jesus that are in Judea, for you also endured the same sufferings at the hands of your own countrymen, even as they did from the Jews,

¹⁵ who both killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove us out. They are not pleasing to God, but hostile to all men,

¹⁶ hindering us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved; with the result that they always fill up the measure of their sins. But wrath has come upon them to the utmost."

On 8/27/2019 at 7:44 AM, luigi said:

In the Olivets, the Lord describes signs in the heavens, the earth, and the seas occurring during the end of the current age (Luke 21:25).
Men's hearts will fail them due to their perceiving that the environment is only going to get worse (Luke 21:26).
To me these signs appear like what is currently transpiring in the environment due to global warming, which is picking up speed, and according to the majority consensus will become significantly more severe.
The alternative perspective among many religious organizations is that the signs will be supernatural in nature.
So here is the question: If the current distress of nations with perplexity is due to increase as the environment continues to deteriorate as the scientific consensus claims; how then will we know the difference between any supposed supernatural signs in the heavens, the earth, and the sea, from those the scientific consensus already recognizes will occur due to mankind's destruction of the environment?

Luke 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

If we take things into their proper context, Jesus was telling His disciples what was going to take place in their own generation, not 2,000 plus years later. Mat. 23:36, 24:34 and Mark 13:30 assures us that Jesus' words had to do with the destruction of Jerusalem and the end of Israel as a covenant nation. The term "this generation" is very clear, meaning all the events Jesus predicted would take place 40 years later. 

So, Israel as nation was cutting themselves off from God's eternal blessings because to reject their own Messiah, was in fact a full rejection of Gods' purpose for them. So, God relied on the remnant of Israel to proclaim the gospel and to begin to bring the Gentiles into God's eternal promises in Jesus Christ.

NASB Jn 15:20 “Remember the word that I said to you, ‘A slave is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you; if they kept My word, they will keep yours also."

Now as for the allusions of the signs, we must first consider that Jesus was simply giving the Jews a metaphor, not making a literal promise. The "signs" of the sun, the moon an the stars mean that no light will shine upon them anymore because they had rejected the true Light of the world: Jesus Christ (Jn 8:12). In other words, their life a nation would end completely or completely collapse. The waves roaring means war, upheaval, uncertainty and finally, death. 

These things took place in the Jewish wars with the Romans in AD 66-7O

Just now, iamlamad said:

People like to place titles on things. Live with it! But don't knock the truth of the word of God!

The ULTIMATE TRUTH of God's word is JESUS CHRIST. He is the truth and the one who joins both old covenant people with the new covenant people in Himself 

Ephesians 2:11–16 (NET)

^{11 "}Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh—who are called “uncircumcision” by the so-called “circumcision” that is performed on the body by human hands—

¹² that you were at that time without the Messiah, alienated from the citizenship of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

¹³ But now in Christ Jesus you who used to be far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

¹⁴ For he is our peace, the one who made both groups into one and who destroyed the middle wall of partition, the hostility,

¹⁵ when he nullified in his flesh the law of commandments in decrees. He did this to create in himself one new man out of two, thus making peace,

^{16 a}nd to reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by which the hostility has been killed."

This is the truth of God's word! 

2 hours ago, The Light said:

Rom 11

 ²⁵ For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

We know many scriptures that tell us that God will turn His face towards Israel after He has dealt with the Gentile.

However, there is a group of people that had no faith that God could and would keep His word to Israel as there was no Israel. Therefore they are the ones that had a man made invention that the Church was Israel.

Once God re-established Israel as a nation, they continued in their folly despite absolute proof that Israel was reborn.

God will keep His promise to His people. Period.

God KEPT His promise to Israel: Jesus Christ was and will always be the PROMISE. PERIOD. 

The election of the Jews as God’s people was designed to reverse the impact of Adam’s sin, and most Jews believed that the law’s role was to restrain the sin that Adam introduced into the world. By contrast, Paul maintains that God’s intention in giving the law was to increase sin, and to increase it particularly in Israel.

The piling up of sin in Israel via the law does not indicate malevolence in God toward his people. It shows that the problem introduced into the world through Adam is not remedied through the law. These verses anticipate Rom. 9–11. Sin reached its climax in Israel so that God’s grace would be discerned more clearly in his mercy both to Gentiles and to Israel. The end of the story, therefore, is not the triumph of sin. The story ends with the victory accomplished by grace, a grace that fulfills God’s righteousness and promises through the last Adam, Jesus the Messiah.

If you think God made a promise outside of Jesus Christ to Israel, you are waiting in vain.