Gentle-Warrior

We live under the canopy of the new and everlasting covenant. I don't know what you mean by the "new earth age." I never heard of that before nor do I know how anyone could say that. Once the Lord returns, all things will be restored just as He promised (Rev. 21:5).

I'm not going to waste my time with people who get their doctrine from the internet or from the mouth of dispensationalist which is a cult that took off about 200 years ago. Have a nice day.

The truth has no labels. Deal with what I said.

About verse 30, yes, Jesus "came" but not as you assume. Notice that Jesus did not mention the end of time, but rather He used metaphorical language that everyone understood in those days very well (except modern Christianity). Coming in the clouds means the coming of judgment against the people that not only rejected their own Messiah, but also persecuted to the dead Jews that believed in Him (Isa. 19:1; Jer. 4:12, Rev. 1:7, 7:1-3; 1 Thes. 2:14-16) The "sign of the Son of Man" means "A SIGN" which pointed to the destruction of the temple, the destruction of Jerusalem and the end of the age (old covenant age) just as Jesus prophesied in Mat. 22:1-14, Matt. 23:34-38, Lk 11:49-51. When judgment against Jerusalem and against the false Jews that had rejected their own Messiah came, they remembered what Jesus had said 40 years previously and understood the SIGN OF THE TIMES (Rev. 1:7). Let me remind you that the bible was not written to us directly, but to a people that lived in a certain time and who understood things differently than we do. So you need to take into consideration the culture of the day, the language difference (Jews spoke in picture language using much exaggerations to make a point. Greeks didn't because they spoke in abstract concepts).

Do Do me a favor and please respond to what I said first before giving me your understanding of what you believe, that by the way, it didn't make much sense, I said, "Surely I am coming quickly" does not mean 2,000 + years into the future, but QUICKLY! Jesus returned to judge the harlot Israel by using the Romans, and to do away with all the wicked Jews that had up to that time been persecuting and killing His true Israel (a people of faith in their Messiah). All you have to do read what Jesus CLEARLY said in Mat. 23:34-38, in some of His parable that were meant for unbelieving Israel (Mat. 22:1-14) and then read 1 Thes. 2:14-16 as a follow up. Then read your history (the Jewish-Roman wars that took place in AD 66-70) Since when quickly means 2,000 years plus???

I don't care about the kjv. I actually hate it because it is 412 years old and reads like Shakespeare being constipated while trying to poop. So, it you want a real Bible that can be understood, use the NASB or the NKJV, otherwise, you are going to wind up loving the translation but never getting to read it from cover to cover. Don't be part of the kjvo where people love the name but actually never read it because therein thousands of words that we no longer use, much less understand. So, let's get back to what Jesus said in Mat. 23:36, 24:34, Mark 13:30. The events the Lord was talking about were going to take place in their own generation, and it did, but I won't waste my time if you don't want to learn the truth.

GENERATION: 11.4 γενεάa, ᾶς f: people living at the same time and belonging to the same reproductive age-class—‘those of the same time, those of the same generation.’ ἐκζητηθήσεται ἀπὸ τῆς γενεᾶς ταύτης ‘the people of this generation will be punished’ Lk 11:51. The expression ‘the people of this generation’ may also be expressed as ‘the people living now’ or ‘the people of this time.’ Successive generations may be spoken of as ‘groups of people who live one after the other’ or ‘successions of parents and children.’ Louw, Johannes P., and Eugene Albert Nida. Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: based on semantic domains 1996 : 119. Print.

No, I don't.

Absolutely! "Surely I am coming quickly" does not mean 2,000 + years into the future, but QUICKLY! Jesus returned to judge the harlot Israel by using the Romans, and to do away with all the wicked Jews that had up to that time been persecuting and killing His true Israel (a people of faith in their Messiah). All you have to do read what Jesus CLEARLY said in Mat. 23:34-38, in some of His parable that were meant for unbelieving Israel (Mat. 22:1-14) and then read 1 Thes. 2:14-16 as a follow up. Then read your history (the Jewish-Roman wars that took place in AD 66-70)

Where does it say that Jesus was talking about the end of the world and where is the context of what He was saying to His own DISCIPLES??? Your understanding of these scriptures are totally irrelevant to Jesus' disciples since all of the things Jesus said to them was nothing but mere information that applied to no one in particular except for a far, far, far future generation that probably hasn't been born yet. Think about it before you respond please. By the way, "this generation" means it was it says, not what you would like it to mean. This generation means 'THIS GENERATION"!!! Not 2,000 plus years into the future.

I'm dead serious. Prove that the book of Revelation was written for a futuristic people that probably haven't been born yet. If that is the case, this book has been nothing but a joke for the last 2,000 years since no one can interpret it correctly because it cannot be proven.

Start by proving that the book of Revelation is a book for the future. Chapter and verse will end the discussion.

What you posted is nothing but your personal opinions. Prove with chapter and verse that the book of Revelation was written to an unknown people of the far, far future. Thanks,

There is nothing in the book of Revelation that points to a future age. You need to start reading the other 65 books ad understand why Jesus came and what He accomplished. Leave Revelation alone and stop playing the guru game of a future age. What you posted above is embarrassing.

There is no extreme views from my part. Actually, I believe I have an understanding of the scriptures which makes a lot more sense than most because is 100% Christ centered and Christ glorifying. I don't go for what's popular or worse, just because 90% of the church believes God is a God of the future and will accomplish what He hasn't accomplished yet. I believe that the Lord accomplished all things just as the OT prophesied and now, (not in the future), He sits on the throne of Glory as the final and eternal descendant of David the king. One last note, you cannot isolate one verse of Revelation and give it your own personal meaning. Chapters and verses are not inspired. Chapters were created in 1,100 AD while verses came about 300 years thereafter. Chapters and verses are helpful in finding passages in the Bible, but such divisions have often obscured the meaning of Scripture by breaking sentences in the middle or by separating thoughts that should be joined together. If you want to learn what Revelation means or at least have a better understanding, you need to read the book about 100 times and get a picture in your head as to why it was written to seven churches of the first century, look at the history of those days and try to understand what the churches understood as the prophecies were given to them in picture language.