26 minutes ago, Adstar said:

Revelation 20: KJV

4 "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

Literal 1000 years reigning with Christ..

Later on in the same chapter it establishes that the Saints are on earth. At the end of the 1000 years.

We read::

(Revelation 20: KJV

7 "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, {8} And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. {9} And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them."

So at the end of the 1000 years the Saints will be On earth and will be living near the Beloved City Jerusalem.. That will be where Jesus shall be ruling the world from.. This final satanic rebellion will be destroyed and then the second resurrection and final judgement will happen..  I cannot be any more clearer.. That is why this Book of the Bible is called the Book of Revelation because it reveals things that correct misguided doctrines that many religious people have adopted..

Read it again and tell me where does it say that Jesus will come down to earth to rule for 1,000 literal years, and who told you that the ONE THOUSAND YEARS (not 1,000 years) were literal? How did you figure that since the chapter begins with symbols? And who told you that Revelation was written for the future? Do you have chapter and verse in Revelation where John states that? 

By the way, did you read the preceding chapters where the whore of Jerusalem was destroyed completely? (Chap 17-18). Did you forget that that the Romans already did that in AD 70 and God's word was fulfilled exactly as Jesus said it would? (Mat. 23:34-39, 1Thes. 2:14-16).

 Are you still dreaming that a secular nation with no God, no Christ and no faith in the Lord will one day be redeemed again as if the cross was not effective enough to do it 2,000 years ago? 

So, what happened to Eph. 2:8 where it says that we are saved by grace through faith? Is there an exception for ungodly Jews that hate the very mention of the name of Jesus? 

Lastly, what kind of biblical support to you have for Rev. 20? Did Jesus promise a Millennial kingdom? Did any the apostles tell us that it would be so? Who said it and why would Jesus deny His own word when He said that His kingdom was not of this world (Jn 18:36)? 

Your presuppositions have too many holes to fill to give it a second look.

15 minutes ago, Adstar said:

This is where Human thinking is undermining you... Where does the doctrine that Jesus shall rule on earth state that Jesus NEEDS to rule on earth??? 

NOWHERE..

Of course Jesus does not NEED to rule on earth for 1000 Years.. It has NEVER been about Gods NEEDs. It's about Gods WILL.. 

So God is omnipresent and limitless in power and He rules all existence no matter where He is.. Location is irrelevant.. But He can WILL to do things what ever way He likes and He has his own reasons..

Where does it say that God the Son who rules in heaven over all creation (Mat. 28:18, Eph. 1:20-22) will step down from heaven to rule over what He already rules?  Jesus is omnipresent and all powerful because He is God. 

1 Kings 8:27 (NASB95)

²⁷ “But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain You, how much less this house which I have built!"

Will God the Son rule on earth when He, Himself said that His kingdom is not of this world? (Jn 18:36). Why then are you trying to bring God to your human level instead of seating in heavenly places as His words states we are? (Eph. 2:6). 

Did you already forget who Jesus really is? Where is your scripture anyway where it says that Jesus will step down from heaven to rule on earth?

Read Rev. 20 a few times and tell me where it says that? 

4 hours ago, dhchristian said:

So, According to you, Amos 9:14-15 is just a defunct promise of God, and Israel that reformed in 1948 is just a conspiracy to get us to think prophecy is being fulfilled by the U.N?

Are you comparing God's covenant Israel of 2,000 years ago that had a temple, a law, a priesthood, prophetic oracles, blood sacrifices, etc.,with a promised a Messiah with a modern, POLITICAL and SECULAR nation that wants nothing to with God and whom God has not said a word for 71 years? 

Don't you know that God's last word to the world is the cross of Jesus Christ? (Heb. 1:2).

3 hours ago, Alive said:

Having seen him is irrelevant. Your premise is flawed.

To the core of the question...I for one, fall short-- just as I do in all other ways,

This does not mean that I don't try: Phil. 3:14 I ^apress on toward the goal for the prize of the ^bupward call of God in ^cChrist Jesus.

You response falls short because you did not explain HOW we are to LOVE the Lord our God with all our hearts, minds, souls and strength.  The answer lies in what God has done for us first,

1 John 4:10 (NASB95)

^{10 "}In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins."

By the way, we don't love the Lord our God through our flesh, but through our spirits that are united to the Spirit of Christ. God is a Spirit and those who worship (love) Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth (Jn 4:24). 

1 hour ago, dhchristian said:

You still have not answered my questions. Here it is again for you.

So, According to you, Amos 9:14-15 is just a defunct promise of God, and Israel that reformed in 1948 is just a conspiracy to get us to think prophecy is being fulfilled by the U.N?

So is Amos 9:14-15 speaking of the church then? Or Israel the nation? 

Amos as well as any other book that belongs to the old covenant, cannot be taken at face value without full support of the new covenant in Christ. So, to ignore the NT for a scripture of the OT is to ignore the unity of the scriptures that come together in Christ. The NT explains and fulfills the old while the old serves as a foundation for the new; however, we cannot take isolated scriptures from the old testament and make a a doctrine out of it without having full support from the new. 

Based on what I have said, allow me to explain how that scripture fits perfectly with the NT. 

Amos 9:13–14 (NASB95)

¹³“Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “When the plowman will overtake the reaper And the treader of grapes him who sows seed; When the mountains will drip sweet wine And all the hills will be dissolved.

¹⁴“Also I will restore the captivity of My people Israel, And they will rebuild the ruined cities and live in them; They will also plant vineyards and drink their wine, And make gardens and eat their fruit."

This passage clearly points to the redemption of Israel that Jesus accomplished at the cross. According to Acts 28:20, Jesus was the hope of Israel and the promise of the Father to them. 

If you cannot see Christ in all things, perhaps you need to read Luke 24:25-27, 44-45 and John 5:39-40 because Jesus was what Israel was looking for while all the promises of the scriptures of the OT pointed directly or indirectly to Him.  

One example, 

Luke 1:67–72 (NASB95)

^{67 "}And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied, saying:

⁶⁸ “Blessed be the Lord God of Israel, for He has visited us and accomplished redemption for His people,

⁶⁹ And has raised up a horn of salvation for us In the house of David His servant—

⁷⁰ As He spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from of old—

⁷¹ Salvation from our enemies, and from the hand of all who hate us;

⁷² To show mercy toward our fathers, and to remember His holy covenant."

It's all about Jesus! 

8 hours ago, Alive said:

But there are clear distinctions all through the record regarding 'the Land' and what it represents on earth and how important the fulfillment of prophesy is to God regarding the 'house of David', etc.

I don't read any scriptures in the NT any promise about t

6 hours ago, dhchristian said:

 

This is replacement theology in a nutshell. This is EXACTLY what they believe. all you are doing is putting lipstick on a pig. 

There is no need for the land because Christ has come, Christ has died, Christ has risen. Christ has ascended to the throne in heaven, and finally, He has given the Spirit of God to anyone who believes in Him.  God's throne is in heaven and will always be a spiritual kingdom. The promise of God was the Spirit (Lk 24:49, Acts 2:33, 39, 7:17, 13:32, 26:6, Rom 4:13, 16, etc., etc.)

Primarily the Messiah was for the Jews. We came after the Jews because God's salvation was cosmic. The purpose of Israel was to give birth to Messiah, embrace Him and then go into all the world to preach the gospel. Since national Israel rejected Him, God judged them and did away with old covenant Israel which included the law, the land, the priesthood, the sacrifices, etc. Christ fulfilled them all in Himself because the end plan in sight was to become a new creation which began the moment people believed in the Lord Jesus (2Cor. 5:17). The preparation for eternity began when Christ fulfilled the work of redemption for all time. We are the result of God gathering His people for eternity. 

Jesus is our promise for new heavens and a new earth where righteousness dwells, so if we think a little, what need is to continue to drag the same old thing when God fulfilled His promise to them in Christ?  It is not God's fault that the nation said a final no to Him. No second chances because God does not show partiality with anyone (Acts 10:34). 

Jesus Christ is King David reigning in the heavens. This kingdom is spiritual while anyone has access to it through faith in Christ (Eph. 1:20-23, Rev. 3:7).

1 hour ago, dhchristian said:

But yet Israel is a nation yet again Born in one day by the Vote of the U.N., who would have thunk… Just as the prophets of Old foretold us.

Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children. Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God. Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her: (Isa 66:8-10)

And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them. And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God. (Amos 9:14-15)

You gots some big holes in your "exegesis and inductive bible study"... It is neither exegetical nor very studious on your part. Sounds to me more like you are doing eisegesis as opposed to exegesis, And the fact that you have eliminated a third of prophecy out there as having relevance shows that your studies are incomplete. As I said, Lipstick on a pig...

So is Amos 9:14-15 speaking of the church then? Or Israel the nation? 

The Israel of the OT was in covenant with God. Modern and secular Israel has zero connection with God and is set against God's eternal purposes through Christ just like the rest of the nations. After old Israel they killed their own Messiah, they went on to persecute Jews in Christ, God judged them, burned the city down and closed the door to the old covenant forever (1Thes. 2:14-16, Heb 8:8-10)

What we have today is a political nation that was born by the help of the UN, but has nothing to do with the eternal purposes of God because God's people always been those who have His Spirit, not those don't. However, the doors of salvation are still open to them as Jews come to the Lord be delivered from sin and death. Thirty thousands Jews live in Israel that are now part of His church. 

One eternal principle that God has established in His word is that without faith is impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6). 

As for the prophets of old, they pointed to the new covenant where the temple would no longer have central stage in their lives. They looked forward for the complete removal of sin and for life eternal. The promise that God gave them was Jesus Messiah (Christ). He gave them a PERSON that would change their lives forever, not promises that would keep them in their sin. 

Luke 24:25-27, 44-45, Jn 5:39-40, are some of the scriptures that pointed to Jesus. Luke 2:32 tells us that Jesus was the glory of Israel while Paul said in Acts 28:20 that Jesus was the hope of Israel. However, if you take Jesus out of the picture, all you have left is a shell without the goods. 

Colossians 1:27 (NASB95)

"To whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory."

1 hour ago, dhchristian said:

 

This is replacement theology in a nutshell. This is EXACTLY what they believe. all you are doing is putting lipstick on a pig. 

Nope. No one is replacing anyone. Judaism was left behind for a new creation in Christ. Nothing to do with your narrow minded understanding where you feel the need to place believers in a box. The church emerged from Israel who was nothing but a crumbling nation that was set against God's eternal purposes. The remnant came out of Israel to form the new covenant people of God. 

If you look at the old covenant believers and join them to the new covenant congregation in Christ, you wind up having one people of faith. 

God is one. 

Ephesians 4:4–6 (NASB95)

^{4 "}There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling;

⁵ one Lord, one faith, one baptism,

⁶ one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all."

God is ONE and the ONE God has always had ONE PEOPLE OF FAITH.

Like it or not. 

12 hours ago, dhchristian said:

Like it or not, that is what you are teaching is replacement theology. The following are the three possible options, Replacement theology, Covenant theology or dispensationalism.

Answer: Replacement theology (also known as supersessionism) essentially teaches that the church has replaced Israel in God’s plan. Adherents of replacement theology believe the Jews are no longer God’s chosen people, and God does not have specific future plans for the nation of Israel. Among the different views of the relationship between the church and Israel are the church has replaced Israel (replacement theology), the church is an expansion of Israel (covenant theology), or the church is completely different and distinct from Israel (dispensationalism/premillennialism).

https://www.gotquestions.org/replacement-theology.html 

Nope. You forgot "Exegesis" and "Inductive Bible Study" according to the what the word of God teaches, not what man has decided what the word of God says. Replacement Theology teaches that the church has replaced Israel. I have learned that Israel emerged out of Judaism in order to become part of the kingdom of God on earth until the second coming. The gospel is the entrance to the kingdom of God while we are made into a new creation (2Cor. 5:17).

The church was Jewish from the get-go and for the first 10 years, the body of Christ was only Jewish. After that, they learned that the redemption that Jesus had provided at the cross was far bigger than they had ever imagined. 

Israel as a nation rejected God's salvation through Jesus Christ and were finally judged in AD 70, never to rise its ugly head again. God's new Israel is a people of faith IN CHRIST. He who does not have the Spirit of Christ, does not belong to Him (Ro. 8:9).

I just gave you a small synopsis of the pure word of God unstained by the additional teachings of men. 

God saves us by grace not by race. 

7 hours ago, Adstar said:

Of course it was taught in the early church.. What happened was the evil catholic religion suppressed it because they wanted the world to believe that their coming to power in the roman empire was the fulfillment of the 1000 year reign of the saints..  But their false religion has revealed itself to be not of God and not true to the Gospel of our LORD Jesus Christ..

The belief in the millennium was indeed believed in the pre-catholic early church, but it was not called millennialism it was called Chiliasm..

Chiliasm in History

""" Justin Martyr is the first Christian author to write on the Apocalypse. In his "Dialogue with Trypho" chapter 80, he claims that all "right-minded Christians" believe that "there will be a resurrection of the dead, and a thousand years in Jerusalem, which will then be built, adorned, and enlarged, [as] the prophets Ezekiel and Isaiah and others declars." He goes on to write in chapter 81: "And further, there was a certain man with us, whose name was John, one of the apostles of Christ, who prophesied, by a revelation that was made to him, that those who believed in our Chirst would dwell a thousand years in Jerusalem; and that thereafter the general, and in short, the eternal resurrection and judgment of all men would likewise take place.""""

By the early church, I meant the first century writers that gave us the NT. Find it in the NT where it says that God who already reigns in the spirit over all His creation (God is a spirit, Jn 4:24 and Jesus is God) has a need to reign physically on earth? Isn't He omnipresent and limitless in power?

Doesn't Jesus reign over all things from heaven? (Eph. 1:20-23), so please explain why a holy God  who cannot live among flesh (for He will destroy the earth instantly) will come to reign over a sinful land?

We have a clear picture in the scriptures of what would happen to people if God came down to earth:

Exodus 19:20–22 (NASB95)

²⁰ The Lord came down on Mount Sinai, to the top of the mountain; and the Lord called Moses to the top of the mountain, and Moses went up.

²¹ Then the Lord spoke to Moses, “Go down, warn the people, so that they do not break through to the Lord to gaze, and many of them perish.

²²“Also let the priests who come near to the Lord consecrate themselves, or else the Lord will break out against them.”

Exodus 20:18–19 (NASB95)

^{18 "}All the people perceived the thunder and the lightning flashes and the sound of the trumpet and the mountain smoking; and when the people saw it, they trembled and stood at a distance.

¹⁹ Then they said to Moses, “Speak to us yourself and we will listen; but let not God speak to us, or we will die.”

So, can we play with the holiness of God and assume what's not in the scriptures? 

1 Kings 8:27 (NASB95)

²⁷ “But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain You, how much less this house which I have built!"

6 hours ago, Adstar said:

2 Timothy 3: KJV

16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

 

ALL SCRIPTURE.. The Book of Revelation IS Scripture..

Or are you trying to deny that The Book of Revelation is scripture?

Of course! I agree with you 100%, but that does not take away the fact that the scriptures must be understood according to its own genre, not according to our whims. The Bible is full of metaphors, similes, poetry, allusions, etc., besides the fact that the culture, language and mindset of those days were different from our own self centered western mentality where we assume we are the center of all things. 

Rev. 20 does not say that Jesus will return to earth to rule for 1,000 literal years. Read it again and again until you get it. 

1 hour ago, Dennis1209 said:

I sure don't understand who and where you're getting your theology from? I have the printed writings of our early church fathers; and they all agree with the 1,000 year millennium. Just to name a few and the date they quoted it:

Papias, Eusebius (c. 120), Justin Martyr (c. 160), Irenaeus (a disciple of Polycarp c. 180), Tertullian (c. 222), Hippolytus (c. 205), Origen (c. 225).

I do agree with one thing though... someone is lacking in understanding.

I'm not sure if you understand but the church fathers did not write scriptures, nor were they infallible. If they believe in a sort of Millennial kingdom, all we have is fragments that cannot dictate doctrine for us, but if they did believe in a Millennial kingdom, then they didn't understand the completion of God's redemption in Jesus Christ.

Besides that, I don't read any Millennial kingdom in the scriptures, especially in rev. 20 where dispensationalists have mangled these scriptures to impose a belief that the scriptures do not teach. 

I wonder if you understand the biblical implication of this belief if it were true? Have we forgotten that God does not dwell physically among men because His perfect and limitless holiness forbids it? Besides that, God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) have always reigned over His creation from heaven, so I don't understand why we believe this atrocity.

Psalm 22:28 (NASB95)

^{28 "}For the kingdom is the Lord’s and He rules over the nations."

Psalm 47:2 (NASB95)

^{2 "}For the Lord Most High is to be feared, a great King over all the earth."

Psalm 59:13 (NASB95)

^{13 "}Destroy them in wrath, destroy them that they may be no more; that men may know that God rules in Jacob to the ends of the earth. Selah."

Ephesians 1:20–22 (NKJV)

"Which He worked in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places,

²¹ far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come.

²² And He put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be head over all things to the church."

Luke 22:69 (NASB95)

⁶⁹ “But from now on the Son of Man will be seated at the right hand of the power of God.”

God bless, 

4 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

I stopped reading right here. I take it you believe in "replacement theology"? 

Your assumption is wrong. All I do is look at what the word of God says in light of what Jesus accomplished at the cross. If you don't recognize that, something is wrong, and I assure you is not me because I don't carry extra baggage like most Christians do today with the end times fables that they have picked up from false teachers. 

The scriptures are not about what the majority believes but about the truth that stems from Jesus Christ alone. 

On 9/5/2019 at 1:44 AM, Adstar said:

The Millennium is not undermined by any of the scriptures you quote..  The Millennium is firmly established in the Book of Revelation Chapter 20.. 

Revelation 20 is highly symbolic in nature and cannot be used as a doctrine unless there is previous support in the scriptures. Please provide NT Biblical evidence that supports your position of Rev. 20. 

3 hours ago, Absolem said:

35 years studying scripture and you understand very little. At best your proclaiming replacement theology, at worst it's anti-Semitic hate spew. You are willfully ignorant of scriptire, and to be honest I wish I had the patience these other believers have in trying to explain to you your error. You will realize soon enough that God has not cast away his people, and that his love and plan for them has always been there and in effect. Your unwillingness to understand and accept this truth is disgusting.

20That is correct: They were broken off because of unbelief, but you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you either. 22Take notice, therefore, of the kindness and severity of God: severity to those who fell, but kindness to you, if you continue in His kindness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.…

I don't believe in Replacement  Theology, never did and never will. The fact that you want to label me is a clear indication that you are unwilling to debate me in a decent and orderly manner. However, using slander to accuse me of being anti-semitic is lame at best and ridiculous at best. The only one who is spewing hate is you. 

By the way, I understand much more than you can ever imagine. If you want to give it a try, I am well able to discuss your disagreements with my beliefs which are centered on Christ and Christ alone. 

49 minutes ago, Absolem said:

35 years studying scripture and you understand very little. At best your proclaiming replacement theology, at worst it's anti-Semitic hate spew. You are willfully ignorant of scriptire, and to be honest I wish I had the patience these other believers have in trying to explain to you your error. You will realize soon enough that God has not cast away his people, and that his love and plan for them has always been there and in effect. Your unwillingness to understand and accept this truth is disgusting.

20That is correct: They were broken off because of unbelief, but you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you either. 22Take notice, therefore, of the kindness and severity of God: severity to those who fell, but kindness to you, if you continue in His kindness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.…

So, what's your point?

On 9/5/2019 at 1:44 AM, Adstar said:

The Millennium is not undermined by any of the scriptures you quote..  The Millennium is firmly established in the Book of Revelation Chapter 20.. 

The Millennium is a fairly new doctrine that was never taught by the original church. Jesus, Lord of heaven and earth does not need to come down earth while He reigns in heaven over the earth. 

The belief of a Millennial kingdom reveals a lack of understanding of what Jesus accomplished in His perfect and complete redemption. 

10 hours ago, iamlamad said:

ROFL   It would be extremely difficult to manipulate or twist nothing!

I'm lost here. What were we talking about? 

On 5/6/2019 at 4:09 AM, diane32 said:

Matthew 22:37 Jesus replied: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 

For all practical intents and purposes, how can we love the Lord our God whom we have no seen? So, without going into works of charity or loving one another, how to you think we can love the Lord our God with all our hearts, souls and minds? 

11 hours ago, BeauJangles said:

Yes, my brother you made your point. 

No, it's no disregard at all. You missed the final plan here, unless considering John a lunatic. 

Revelation 21:1-8 ¹And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 

And some words from Jesus, I hope you don't discredit that either. Thanks for the discussion. 

Matthew 24:35 ³⁵Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

 

Israelites who were remotely familiar with the law were probably well aware of the fact that "heaven and earth" was synonymous with the law or the Old Covenant. The phrase "heavens and earth" is then covenantal language. It is not referring to the physical heavens and earth. The Old Heavens and Earth was the Old Covenant and the New Heavens and Earth is the New Covenant where righteousness dwells. Christians are the New Creation and the New Heavens and Earth. Once again, the concept is spiritual/covenantal, not physical/literal.

36 minutes ago, BeauJangles said:

He didn't change His mind. It seems you discredit the entirety of His plans though, my brother. I'm sorry that some essential scriptures are such a bore to you.

Revelation 21:1-8 ¹And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. ²And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. ³And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. ⁴And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. ⁵And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. ⁶And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. ⁷He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. ⁸But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

 

What you posted has nothing to with what I posted. John 18:36 clearly states that the Lord's kingdom is not of an earthly kind. This means He rules from heaven, or from eternity. I also gave you Eph 1:20-23 that proves my point. 

Are you going to disregard both of my points in order to insert yours? 

27 minutes ago, BeauJangles said:

Then perhaps you're interested in what Jesus had to say. See scripture passage below. John 16:12-13 

And He did say this to His followers, the disciples. It does explain a lot here.

John 16:12-13 ¹²I have many things to say to you, but ye cannot bear them now.  ¹³Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

This sums it up nicely. Thank you for the opportunity to post it. 

 

 

1) Didn't Jesus say that His kingdom was not of this world? (realm or kind) in Jn 18:36. Did He change His mind? 

2) Ephesians 1:20–23 (NASB95)

"Which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places,

²¹ far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come.

²² And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church,

²³ which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all."

How then do you reconcile the fact that Jesus rules in the heavens over all creation, which is the realm of eternity where time is not a factor? 

2 hours ago, Sonshine☀️ said:

When does he come?  Is he real?

He doesn't come. The whole thing is nothing but man's imagination gone bananas. The antichrist is the epistles of John was not a person but deceitful teaching called Gnosticism. 

"Gnosticism is a philosophical worldview that stresses special knowledge.  The word comes from the Greek gnosis meaning knowledge.  Gnosticism was prevalent in the first century during and after the time of Christ.  It maintains that matter is evil and spirit is good.  Because matter is bad human souls, in a sense, are trapped in a material world.

Gnostics maintained that they had special knowledge about God which enabled them to understand the human condition as it relates to the world.  This helped them to deny the world, by asserting that the good human spirit need not be restricted by the evil material world.

Early Gnostics taught that God was so perfect that he could not have anything to do with the physical world -- including its creation.  Therefore, God made a demiurge, a lesser God through which the world was created.  Gnostics considered themselves superior to early Christians and believed that this lesser God was the God of the Old Testament."

https://carm.org/questions/about-philosophy/what-gnosticism

1 John 2:22 (NASB95)

²² "Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son."

That, my friend John called the antichrist in John's epistles. 

26 minutes ago, Tampered With said:

44 Bible Verses about Second Coming of Jesus Christ, Besides the Gospels - http://ipost.christianpost.com/post/44-bible-verses-about-second-coming-of-jesus-christ-besides-the-gospels

BIBLE VERSES ABOUT JESUS SECOND COMING -  https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Jesus-Second-Coming/

 

The Millennial Reign of Jesus Christ

The prophets reveal the exact spot to which the Messiah, God’s anointed King, will return: “And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east” (Zechariah 14:4). Starting with Jerusalem as His capital city, He will expand His reign to the world (Zechariah 14:9).

(Zechariah 14:16) see also Leviticus 23:33-44).

Zechariah 14:16 King James Version (KJV)

¹⁶ And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Not all nations will immediately cooperate. Remember, Satan will have organized these same nations to fight Christ at His return. They will not quickly accept Him even after Satan is bound. Therefore Christ will “judge between the nations, and rebuke many people” (Isaiah 2:4). Early in Christ’s reign, strong measures still will be necessary to convince most nations that He intends to enforce the laws of God.

Revelation 2:27

And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

And how will Jesus inforce the nations to come to Israel and Jerusalem to and listen to the laws of God?

Zechariah 14:17

And it shall be, that whoever will not come up of all the families of the earth to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even on them shall be no rain.

The nations will quickly learn their very existence depends depends on obedience for only those nations that obey will receive G_d's blessings. Yeshua HaMashiach (Jesus Christ) is going to establish His throne in Jerusalem, Israel His capital; His rule will be the restored kingdom of Israel. The people of Israel will play a necessary role in helping other nations implement God’s ways along with the Saints that have come with Christ to be teachers and administrators in Jesus's regin. Once God has forgiven their sins, Jesus Christ will begin using a humbled and repentant Israel to spread the knowledge of God’s law to other nations. The whole world will gradually come under the administration of a unified code of law, the law of God. Jesus will coordinate this as He reigns over the nations from Jerusalem. The world will finally learn to obey God’s law.

The spiritual restoration of humanity is the most important transformation that will occur during this millennial period when the world is transformed. God’s Spirit will phenomenally transform people. Obedience will be widespread; people will exhibit honorable leadership and enjoy a stable society. Finally the barriers between Israel and other nations will fall. This will occur because all will eventually realize “there is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus” Galatians 3:28

And yet after learning under the leadership of the Son of G_d for a 1000 years once the son of perdition is loosed from his chains to temp those born during this time the majority follow him and not the ways of G_d they have learned. 

Try actually reading the Bible!

I'm done here. Opinions don't help your lost cause. 

32 minutes ago, BeauJangles said:

Jesus apparently had much that was withheld from His disciples, prior to the ascension. And then when the Holy Spirit came upon them on the Day of Pentecost, a whole new understanding was revealed, and came into being. I never considered the Millennial Reign to be a micromanagement. A global event couldn't be miniscule. The Revelation was revealed to John as he was the last disciple living. What was written down in account can't be discredited.  

  

How convenient. God reigns in heaven and Jesus is God. Shall I add more to that?