Gentle-Warrior

24 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

Agreed, covenants are in the bible; but so are the changes that covenants bring about. Why do you hate this English word so much? It is only a noun that describes something.

I hate dispensations not because it is a noun that only appears in the kjv and the njkv bibles. The noun simply means administration or stewardship. The issue is that dispensationalists go far beyond than merely quoting a noun from the kjv, but go on to divide the word of truth by separating Israel from the church. This is something that Paul clearly dealt with in Eph 2:11-22. 

Therefore, God has only one people today: The body of Christ that is composed of all the nations of the world including believing Jews. 

Are we in agreement now?

22 minutes ago, dhchristian said:

I Am just saying your conspiracy theory of Darby and Scofield placing the word dispensation in the text is a non-argument as these words were in translations that predated them by some 4oo years. And then you make a dumb comment like you cannot make a doctrine out of noun...

For the record, I use Strong's concordance Which uses the original Greek text via the Textus Receptus, and Latin Vulgate. I Posted the link here of the Sinaiticus codex being a forgery, which is what most modern translations use. I Just do not trust the modern translations. I however do read them I have an NIV and an ESV that I read But I always compare with the KJV. For example, I believe the ESV translates Daniel 9:27 better than the KJV does, in that the translated "midst of" in the KJV should and could be translated as "for half of" the Week... How you interpret this will lead to two different timelines of events in the end times, final week for Israel. But that of course is a moot point for you because you have eliminated This final week from your eschatology..... By the same Token the verses that are footnoted or removed completely from some Modern texts are a bit disturbing, For example Matthew 17:21, which is dealing with casting out a certain type of Demon, and in Mark the modern translations have removed fasting Mark 9:29...

Matthew 17:21 NIV See Footnotes

Matthew 7:21 KJV Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.

Mark 9:29 NIV He replied, “This kind can come out only by prayer.[fn]”

Mark 9:29 KJV And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting. 

Notice How fasting is left out in both of the NIV versions... Well if this particular demonic spirit can only come out by prayer and fasting then should we not Know this? This spirit is the suicidal spirit that is plaguing so many in our day now, and the churches are unable to cast this out because they are not fasting any longer. What does fasting do? Well, the main purpose is to create a Longing for the Kingdom of God, To hunger and thirst for righteousness. But it does this by opening our eyes and ears to the spiritual world good and bad. When we fast and deny our flesh, the spiritual world takes precedent over our carnal desires. Fasting is like tuning into the spiritual world by negating the material world. Fasting is done both voluntarily and involuntarily, via persecution, or poverty. So As I said, I just do not trust these versions of scripture. Does the Holy Ghost use these versions? Yes, I can tell you of people being saved using a Gideon's Bible in Hotels, which is NIV, For a time I only had an NIV and then I Got an ESV, before realizing the problems with these translations. The Holy Ghost still spoke through the Word of God, and the Holy Ghost is the one that directs us to the accurate meaning of things.

Here is another example. The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.[fn](Mark 1:1ESV) Notice the footnote at the end... Here is what the footnote reads: 

(1:1)

Some manuscripts omit the Son of God

Well, that Manuscript is the Sinaiticus Codex. Because this draws into question the eternal Sonship of Christ Jesus and delays it to his becoming the Son of God when he is baptized. This is Known as divinity by adoption and is what is contained in the heretical "Shepherd of Hermas" text. But by having this term identified with Christ from the outset, points to his eternal divinity as the Son of God. He was and is and always will be the Son of God, he did not become the Son of God. Here in lies the Grand deception. Theologians have been saying for years now that Mark is the Oldest of the Gospels, and that the other gospels added to and embellished Mark's Gospel. Well if Mark does not point to the eternal Sonship of Jesus, then that draws into question this Doctrine altogether as "later added doctrine"., Just by removing these three words, and or placing doubt into whether they should be there or Not by footnote, all because of a corrupted (Forged?) text. But the Holy Ghost is protecting this doctrine, By revealing to the saints the Truth, and Jesus is the Truth.

 

Do You see now that I have done my due diligence on the topic of texts? I think you should do the same as well. I am not KJV only as in religiously I am just leary of Modern translations because they cast doubt on the inerrancy of Scripture, and place human theology and textual criticism as more important than the Word of God, which is a Laodicean church age problem. You see theology is the study of God, Christianity is Knowing God relationally. I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. (John 10:14)

  

  

I'm not interested in having a discussion about the kjv only cult. It is totally ridiculous to say the least. If you are interested in attacking modern and scholarly translations, you are a divider that works for the enemy to prove a moot point.  The link below destroys your arguments if you want to go that avenue. As for me, I wouldn't waste my time reading a translation that is 412 years old. I don't need to learn how to speak Shakespearean English.  

https://www.equip.org/article/is-your-modern-translation-corrupt/

1 hour ago, Tampered With said:

You contradict G_d's word as stated in Scripture. Who gives you that right? I have posted scripture that does state He does come to earth and reign as I have posted above and in other places on this website you just refuse to read or accept them. 

Don't waste your time pasting articles that I won't read. It is you that contradicts the scriptures because Jesus never once promised an earthly kingdom. The so called Millennium is MAN-MADE, not GOD-ORDAINED, therefore is false from the get-go. 

 John 18:36 is clear, so if you have an issue with that, go to the Lord and demand an explanation.

Let's see how far you get! 

By the way, did you know that God dwells in unapproachable light? 

1 Timothy 6:16 (NASB95)

^{16 "}who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen."

How in the world do you expect Jesus, God the Son, the Son of God, Lord of creation, redeemer and King, to come in His holiness and His radiant glory that surpasses the biggest star of the universe and not incinerate the entire earth?

Have you ever thought about that?  

1 hour ago, Tampered With said:

This vision of the millennial reign of Christ is not an illusion but a promise of reality. Jesus Christ will return to earth to spiritually transform its people and establish utopia, a paradise on earth. The combination of removing Satan’s influence, giving humanity God’s Spirit and teaching the world the laws and ways of God will produce 1,000 years of peace and a society blessed beyond its wildest dreams.

You are wasting your time. I'm not interested in man's opinions. Since Jesus never once mentioned that He will return to micromanage the earth for 1,000 literal years, there is no need to manipulate, twist and distort what He didn't say and what the NT is completely silent about. 

The fact is that when Jesus ascended to the throne in heaven, He sat down at the right hand of God having all authority in heaven and on earth which means He reigns from heaven forever and ever (Mat. 28:18, Eph. 1:20-23).  After all, did you forget that Jesus is God Almighty, creator, redeemer and King of the nations?  

You have a political view about the end times that has nothing to do with the scriptures. Repent from looking at the scriptures from a fleshly view. God is holy and your Israel was done with 2,000 years ago when they got rid of their Messiah while God judged them by burning their city.

There are no promises to the land in the NT and no promises to physical Israel. The promises of God were made for a people of faith, not for the ungodly and the unbelieving (Ro. 9:6-8). 

Get over it. 

8 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

Neither is "trinity."

Covenants are in the bible, so why replace or ignore covenants while that's the beating heart of God? Dispensations are man made. Like it not. 

22 hours ago, choir loft said:

You have absolutely NO IDEA of what was accomplished on the cross, because you have denied He who died there and why.  Your hatred of Jews is obvious.  Your misunderstanding of Hebrews 1:1-3 is ludicrous because you have NO IDEA what is meant by "purification for sins".  When you deny the Old Covenant by calling its prophecies "obscure" and irrelevant you logically subvert your own ability to interpret any other part of the Bible.  Therefore you fall back on the only other classic position available to those who hate Israel and the Jews - illogic, innuendo, false doctrine and mindless heartless anti-semitic hatred of Jews.

You are not in any position to tell whether I have no idea what the bible teaches or not. It is you who is accusing me of hatred while all along I have been showing you what the word of God says, not what I think. 

I don't think I want to continue wasting my time with someone who is so caught up with loving the Jews as if they were an elite race. Everyone is free to come to Christ. The death of Jesus Christ on the cross has opened the doors of salvation for all peoples, including the Jews. These doors will continue to be open to all as long as this age exists.

I never once said I hate the Jews. The real issue here is that you hate what the word of God says about sinful Israel. Try reading Eze. 16 and be horrified what God says about them.

11 hours ago, iamlamad said:

    This is too funny! It is only a word to describe a change in the order of things.

Not in the Bible. 

11 hours ago, dhchristian said:

You gotta do better than that... Grace is a Noun to, So is covenant, so is The Cross. Yet we make doctrines of these nouns....

Should I go on making you look dumb?

Stop being a jerk. The Bible was given to the world in Aramean, Hebrew (Old covenant) and Koine Greek (New Covenant). English did not exist when God gave us His holy word. Are you a kjv cult follower that goes to bed with his old, stuffy, archaic language that no one reads from cover to cover because you will need a real English dictionary to explain the words that you have no idea what they mean? 

I can you give examples that will make your head spin.... if you like. 

9 hours ago, Adstar said:

Where does the doctrine of a future millenium reign of Jesus on earth state that Jesus is NOT LORD NOW ??????   Nowhere..

When He responded to Pilate that His kingdom was not of this fallen corrupt world He was telling the truth...

But that was not Him saying that He would never rule forever and ever on a New earth... 

Matthew 5: KJV

5 "Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth."

When do you think the MEEK shall inherit the Earth???  Never in your theology.. 

 

There is no future Millennium. Jesus is not a local king that will need to physically micromanage sinners all over again. He reigns from heaven. No scripture in the NT mentions that Jesus Christ, Lord of heaven and earth, will come down to reign earth for 1,000 literal wretched years. 

God has always reigned from heaven. Jesus is God Almighty, not your average king. 

As for the meek Jesus meant us. We will inherit all that Jesus has conquered as long as we remain faithful to Him (Phil. 3:20-21). 

2 hours ago, Tampered With said:

Gentile-Warrior: you have eyes but do not see, ears but not hear and you refuse to understand. We will have to agree to disagree as I am talking past you without you understanding what I am saying.  Oh and I love the Truth but not half-truths that do not cover all of G_d's word on the subject. Nice try though.

How long are you into the faith?

Do you believe in the Second Coming of Jesus Christ and His reign upon the earth (you ignored everything I posted in JESUS AND ISRAEL didn't you)? 

Of course I believe in the Second Coming of Jesus where He will judge the living and the dead. What I don’t believe is in the theory of God the Son coming down to earth when He clearly said that His kingdom is not of this world (Jn 18:36).

Jesus reigns in heaven over all creation right now and forever (Mat 28:18, Eph. 1:20-22).

Jesus is Lord NOW, not some in intergalactic age of the future.

22 hours ago, dhchristian said:

Disproved this already, by quoting the same passage from Luke 21 which says that generation would see the kingdom of God came... which it never did in 70 ad.

The kingdom of God came with the giving of the Holy Spirit. Don't you know that? Jesus is Lord and King now, not some obscure time in the future. Jesus is the great I AM. 

21 hours ago, dhchristian said:

funny how you blame Scofield and Darby for dispensationalism, yet these words are found in the 1611KJV. The Geneva Bible which predates the KJV by 12 years, also uses Dispensation in its translation, and the Wycliffe which dates from the 14th century... So your conspiracy theory has no merit, That dispensationalism started in the 19th century. OOPS!

The kjv is not the bible, but a translation. The noun dispensation means stewardship or administration. You cannot make a doctrine out of a noun. Come on! 

Look it up in the Greek. If you need help, let me know. 

9 hours ago, George said:

If it were just one ... or two ... how about DOZENS of times?  

Perhaps a simple re-reading of Romans 9-11 may help the situation since PAUL explicitly talks of the restoration of the Jews AFTER the fulness of the Gentiles. 

Or perhaps an understanding of the mystery of the Fig Tree?  

Do you really think that God doesn't have a plan for ALL PEOPLES of the world?  If so, don't you think He has a plan for the Jewish people? 

Romans 9:6 All Israel is not Israel.

Verse 7 Not all are children because they are the seed of Abraham 

Verse 8. The children of the flesh are not the children of promise. 

Rom 11:20-22 God did not spare the natural branches because of their unbelief

11:25 A partial hardening took place in Israel. That means that there was a door of salvation for the Jews that CHOSE to come to Christ, while the rest that refused Christ died in their sins. 

11:26 How will all Israel will be saved? By coming to Christ just as everyone else did. 

Israel was not made out of elite people. Either they came to Christ or rejected Him. 

The fig tree was dried up because Jesus cursed it. Why did the Lord curse Israel as a whole? Because they didn't produce any fruit in the three years of His ministry (no faith in Christ). 

The plan of God for the world is to come to Christ. That includes Jews from everywhere. For 2,000 years the doors of salvation have been open and will continue to be open for all people until the end of time. 

The cross is God's last word to the world. No second chances, God doesn't beg. 

1 hour ago, Tampered With said:

Your prejudice against Jews blinds you to the fact that all the disciples were Jews, most of the members of the Jerusalem Church before Jerusalem was destroyed in 70AD were Jews, most of the Church leaders for the 1st Century were Jews. throughout history there has always been faithful Messianic Jews as part of the Faith in Yeshua HaMashiach (Jesus Christ). If you studied scriptures you would understand that "no one" killed the Son of G_d. He laid down His life for the sins of mankind. No one could hold Him on that cross! It is "blood libel" to accuse anyone of killing our savior. If you must accuse someone then look in the mirror as He died for your sins. Both Old and New Testament verses proclaim that Israel at His Second coming will be redeemed whether you like it or not. So study to show your self approved. Romans Chapter 11 for your information is in the New Testament and refers to Jews in the New Covenant time. Study deeper as many have!

It is because of this Jew hate that the European church (both Protestant and Catholic) failed to stand against the evil of Nazism. It is a cancer that must be removed from within the Church. 

I have spoken the truth. If you don't like the truth I wonder if you would get offended by reading 1Thes. 2:14-16. I will quote for you so that you may be scandalized. 

1 Thessalonians 2:14–16 (NASB95)

^{14 "}For you, brethren, became imitators of the churches of God in Christ Jesus that are in Judea, for you also endured the same sufferings at the hands of your own countrymen, even as they did from the Jews,

¹⁵ who both killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove us out. They are not pleasing to God, but hostile to all men,

¹⁶ hindering us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved; with the result that they always fill up the measure of their sins. But wrath has come upon them to the utmost."

Do you think Paul the apostle, a Jew was also prejudiced like me? LOL! 

By the way, I love the fact that there are about 500,000 Jews that have bowed the knee to Christ. They are my brethren in the Lord. My issues is not with them but with the church that continues to elevate unconverted Jews that hate the Lord just because they are Jews.

I can provide a ton of scriptures where the Lord Himself announced that the Jews were trying to kill Him. Let me now if you are interested. 

11 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

You are right: I was was guessing. I had to: we have never met. You have neither confirmed nor denied here.

What you are missing: dispensations come FROM the word of God; they certainly change nothing.

Have it your way, but I will tell you one thing. If you could get a new believer read the entire bible from cover to cover, he will never come up with dispensations, but I assure you, he will talk about all the covenants that God made with man and would wonder what they mean. 

Take care, 

23 hours ago, luigi said:

Yes, the faithful are they who believe in what Christ believes, love, truth, humility,+++. The Samaritan in Luke 10 believed in loving his neighbor, and would be one of they who believe in Christ's Way. These who believe in Christ's Way belong to all races living throughout the whole world.

Amen brother! 

On 9/9/2019 at 1:11 PM, iamlamad said:

Perhaps you have stuck to your pet scriptures and ignored the rest. The truth is, there has been dispensations where God changed the order of things.  Most believers call these changes "dispensations." You choose to call them something else or just ignore that they happened.  One huge example is the change when the Law was given. Another huge example was the change when the Messiah came.

Therefore people that believe in dispensations have not added anything to scripture; rather, they have understood scripture.  Understanding is not easy, but is possible with study and diligence.

Let me take a wild guess: my guess is you have skipped Acts 1 and 2 in your Christian walk, and you did not receive what the 120 received in the upper room - perhaps thinking it was not for you. Am I right?

I wonder what else you deny that is really in scripture?

I have no pet scriptures. My goal is to glorify Christ the Lord, not modern doctrines. God does not change because His plans have always be perfect. He doesn't change things either because He planned it all before the world was. God makes no mistakes. It is finished (Jn 19:30). 

Hebrews 4:3 (NASB95)

^{3 "}For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, “As I swore in My wrath, They shall not enter My rest,” although His works were finished from the foundation of the world."

The problem with dispensations is that continues to separate what God has already united in Christ. 

Ephesians 2:12–14 (NET)

"That you were at that time without the Messiah, alienated from the citizenship of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

^{13 "}But now in Christ Jesus you who used to be far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

¹⁴ For he is our peace, the one who made both groups into one and who destroyed the middle wall of partition, the hostility."

By the way, your assumption that I have not experienced the baptism of the Holy Spirit is based on pure and unadulterated speculation. I deny nothing except man made doctrines that change the word of God. 

18 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Agreed. But many of the Jews are just not going to accept Christ as their Messiah until they SEE Him and realize Jesus has been their Messiah all along. They will morn for Him. But they will also be saved and be the main group that repopulates the earth during the Millennium. It is written that 1/3 of them will come through the fire of the 70th week alive.

Of course, if a Jew dies before the 70th week and without Christ, they are in a very bad place. There is no other sacrifice for their sins.  No, not a universalist.

The doors of salvation have been open for them for over 2,000 years. I believe the ball is still on their court. God doesn't beg and needs no one to make Him complete. We are the ones who need Him.

http://disq.us/p/2497krj

16 hours ago, Adstar said:

I will correct that statement i made..

"Just because we don't understand why there will be a Millenial kingdom" does to mean that there will not be one?

And your insulting way of speaking really undermines your credability.. ""deplorables""?  You will not be convincing anyone of your love for the bretheren by speaking to people that way.. You will only convince them of your lack of love for them by unessecaraly using insulting and denegrating tactics.. You may believe you are being Strong and perswasive but you are only projecting the image of being a person who needs to attack the person because their ability to engage the Idea's is weak..

Ungodly?  Where doies the millennium say that any ungodly rejectors of the LORD Jesus will be saved????

The belief that the mellennium being in the future after Jesus returns to earth says nothing about rejectors of Jesus being saved.. Why do you insist in messing two seperate doctrines into one???? 

The belief in the mellennium DOES NOT nessecitate that one believes that God will save anyone who rejects the Way of salvation Jesus secured on the cross...

Why do you even post Matthew 28: 18-28.. Yes i agree Jesus is currently seated at teh right hand of the Father and He shall rule forever and ever.. That verse DOES NOT SAY He will be ruling forever and ever in heaven at the right seat of the Father.. It simply states that He will rule forever and ever. It DOES NOT say He will never leave that seat and rule from different loactions..

Both scriptures you quote do not undermine the millennium belief at all..

Ok now i will quote OT scripture that Shows the return of Jesus and Him destroying the army of the beast and Him ruling from Jeruslem..

Zechariah 14: KJV

1 "Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. {2} For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. {3} Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. {4} ¶ And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. {5} And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

 

{6} And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark: {7} But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light. {8} And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be. {9} And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one. {10} All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses. {11} And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

 

{12} ¶ And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth. {13} And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour. {14} And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance. {15} And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.

 

{16} ¶ And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. {17} And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. {18} And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. {19} This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. {20} ¶ In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD’S house shall be like the bowls before the altar. {21} Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts."

 

So there you have it.. After the Day of the LORD ( the return of our LORD Jesus Christ ( WITH His Saints) and his wrath upon the nations) The LORD who is the LORD of hosts will be KING ( KING OF KINGS) in Jerusalem And KING over all the earth.. It clearly states that After the Wrath ( battle of Armageddon) there will be people still alive from the nations that came up against Jerusalem.. And the LORD and His Saints shall be ruling over them.. And these people will be compelled to come up to Jerusalem each year to WORSHIP the KING The LORD of HOSTS in Jerusalem, If they refuse to God will cause them to have no rain in their lands AND The LORD will also Smite them with the plague he smited the army of the beast with when He returned to earth and HIS FEET Physically TOUCHED upon the mount of Olives in Jerusalem..

Now how much more clearer can the above OT scripture be??  Note the above prophecy has NEVER been fulfilled in History.. It is still future.. It is about the return of Jesus and His rule over the World with His Saints during the millennium..  The Book of Revelations and the above scripture also detail how the same day will be darkened..

YOu said, 

{{{"And your insulting way of speaking really undermines your credability.. ""deplorables""?  You will not be convincing anyone of your love for the bretheren by speaking to people that way.. You will only convince them of your lack of love for them by unessecaraly using insulting and denegrating tactics.. You may believe you are being Strong and perswasive but you are only projecting the image of being a person who needs to attack the person because their ability to engage the Idea's is weak."}}}

When I referred to the "deplorables", I was only thinking of Darby, Scofield and the leaders of this 200 year movement, not believers like you and I that don't agree on the fundamentals, My intention was not to offend you. For that I apologize. 

I will respond to the rest of your post a bit later... 

17 minutes ago, Tampered With said:

I follow Scripture. Paul in the New Testament has refuted much of what you have posted such Paul did in Romans Chapter 11 so I point out your error. While both Jesus and Paul rejected the Jews that rejected G_d's plan they both did not reject the Jewish race as a whole as you have stated. 

If you followed scriptures, you would have recognized that it was the Jews who rejected Christ not the other way around. It was the Jews who killed God's prophets and who at the end planned to kill the Son of God by stealth. Yet, the Lord gave them a change to come to Christ even after that, and thousands of Jews came to the Lord in Acts 2-9 and became part of Christ's body, the church or the "called out ones."

The error is not mine but yours. Romans 11 refers to old covenant Israel, not the secular nation of today. God never works outside of Christ because the cross is and will always be at the center of God's eternal plan of salvation for everyone, regardless or race, nationality, language or culture. 

On 9/8/2019 at 8:03 PM, Tampered With said:

Ours is a time when all to many people unfortunately even within the Christian Church seek to remove any semblance of the very root of Jewish nature where G_d planted the vine of salvation. They seek to deny the very words of G_d even to the point of re-writing them, telling G_d He really did not mean to say what He said. I hear "replacement theology" everywhere except in the actual scriptures where we are told we gentiles are "grafted" into to the root of David not that the root of David is cut off forever. (Ephesians 2:11-13; Ephesians 2:19; Ephesians 3:6; Romans 11:17-24) Perhaps these non-Jews would have been much happier if all the Jews had accepted their Jesus as their Messiah and that way all non-Jews could have languished in their sins with no hope of salvation or you would at least think so from the way they boast about their position since the majority of Jews did not accept Jesus. You would at least expect some humility but so few show it.  I mean read some of the Denominational Church leaders writing and you would think "they" were the authors of salvation themselves.  I sure would not care to be in their shoes standing before Jesus on judgement day. I wonder how many average Christians have ever even taken the time to actually read any of the Great Church leaders writings?  How many here in fact have ever read your denominational church leaders writings about the Jews and compared it to the Scriptures?

 

Why is it so important to you that the Jewish people should be considered as special outside of Christ? Should God show partiality with anybody because of their race?  It is by grace through faith that we come to the Lord just as the original church did (all Jews) for the first 10 years (Acts 2-9). The doors to the Jews will continue to be open until the Lord's return. Nothing will change until then.

NASB Acts 10:34-35

34 "Opening his mouth, Peter said: “I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality,
 35 but in every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him."

13 hours ago, dhchristian said:

funny how you blame Scofield and Darby for dispensationalism, yet these words are found in the 1611KJV. The Geneva Bible which predates the KJV by 12 years, also uses Dispensation in its translation, and the Wycliffe which dates from the 14th century... So your conspiracy theory has no merit, That dispensationalism started in the 19th century. OOPS!

I disproved this already, by quoting the same passage from Luke 21 which says that generation would see the kingdom of God came... which it never did in 70 ad.

 

I understand the limitless grace of God, for I deserved nothing but hell, But yet while we were yet strangers and in sin and therefore enemies he died for our sins... Just like his sacrifice on the cross will cover Atone for the sins of Israel when they repent as shown in Zech. 12:10ff... Perhaps you should read this passage. You have this in your Bible don't you?

 

Notice how you left off the last verse of Matthew 23... did you do that on purpose? Here it is, and it points to the restoration of Israel and the return of Jesus to rule Israel.... OH OH!!! In the Words of the church lady "isn't that conveeeenient"?

 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. (Matthew 23:39)

So, then Satan is chained in the bottomless pit, and is powerless right now, and sin is no more and we live for all eternity, because we have received our Immortal bodies....????? I think you are very off the rails.   The Jews do not have the Spirit, I will grant you that but you have lost it.

{{{Notice how you left off the last verse of Matthew 23... did you do that on purpose? Here it is, and it points to the restoration of Israel and the return of Jesus to rule Israel.... OH OH!!! In the Words of the church lady "isn't that conveeeenient"?}}}

 I left it out on purpose because I knew you would ignore my entire post just to concentrate on one point. The last verse of Mat. 23, states that the door for the Jews will always be open if they choose to embrace the gospel of Christ and come to Him as lost sinners. Jews have been coming to Christ for the last 2,000 years, not as a special elite race, but as desperate people that needed a Savior--- just like everyone else, since there is no longer a difference between Jew and Gentile anymore (Gal. 3:28-29) because Christ is all and all. 

Today, we have approximately 500,000 Jews scattered all over the world that have professed to believe in Christ as their Messiah and as their Lord. About 30,000 of them live in modern Israel and because of it, are being harassed by unbelieving Jews as traitors of their race. It takes a devoted heart to stand against the majority and still believe in the Lord.

So, what are you going to say now? 

4 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

You wrote, " no one outside of Christ belongs to God. "  Sorry, but the entire world has been reconciled back to God.

Potentially yes, but everyone must make a decision to believe in Christ otherwise the doors of the kingdom will not open to them. You are not an universalist, are you? 

People that reject Christ and die in their sins have not been reconciled to Christ. 

47 minutes ago, dhchristian said:

Matthew 24 came after that.

I have never read Darby or Scofield, this is what the LORD showed me from Scripture, Its all there, in the Word of God, Including the concept of dispensations. 

 

In Part I agree with you, That God has only had one people, but his plans are bigger than one people as he is the King of kings and Lord of Lords. God has no "economical limits" to place them on him is to deny his sovereignty. Many of God's promises to Israel were never fulfilled, but they will be for God is not a Liar... he does not make promises and then take them back... we may be able to delay them as did the Ninevites with Jonah when they repented, But eventually God carried out those promises, and Ninevah was destroyed. The Kingdom could have come to Israel, during the first advent, But God had accounted for their rejection of him to bring grace to the gentiles, Just as he has accounted for the church's failure in these end times in this Laodicean age, and will delay his coming till the fulness of the gentiles has come in. You see You have to throw away 3/4ths of prophecy in the Bible to make your theory Work. Because about 3/4ths of prophecy in the Bible deal with promises to Israel. 

Matthew Mark and Luke contain the Olivet discourse... In all three the fig tree prophecy is discussed and it does not point to 70 ad. Luke's version is the most detailed.

And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. (Luke 21:29-33)

So I ask you, did the Kingdom of God come into being in 70 Ad and we missed out? This is clearly speaking to the rebirth of Israel as a nation, which occurred in 1948. A generation is 70 years, or if by strength (which strength of will), it is 80 years. The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away. (pslam 90:10) The Word in Bold is Rohob H7296, which means arrogance, pride, object of pride... Their resistance is their pride. 

I Agree, and so will ALL of Israel be restored, when they say "blessed is he who comes in the name of the LORD."

1) How did the Lord fail to tell you that His book is about covenants, not about dispensations? There is nothing in the bible about dispensations.

2) Mat. 24 is about the destruction of Jerusalem and the final judgment on Israel. It begins with the destruction of the temple which means the end of the old covenant, i.e. the law, the sacrifices, the priesthood, etc.  

3) Once again, the judgment of Jerusalem took place because Israel killed the prophets He sent them, broke His covenant and at the end rejected and killed  the Son of God. There cannot be any promises for a nation that does not exist in God's mind. Can you kill God in the flesh and get away with it as if it didn't' matter. Can you grasp this concept? 

Matthew 23:34–38 (NASB95)

³⁴ “Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city,

³⁵ so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

³⁶ “Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

³⁷ “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.

^{3 8}“Behold, your house is being left to you desolate!"

4) The kingdom of God came when the Spirit was poured out at Pentecost and it has grown to receive millions and millions of people without number. It is clearly speaking about the birth of the church which is 2,000 years old. God has only one people that has His Spirit. Anyone who doesn't have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to Him (Ro. 8:9). 

4 hours ago, luigi said:

There are many passages throughout the Bible where the faithful will be gathered and transported to the Middle East, which occurs after the great tribulation in the Olivets. In the examples below, if you read the chapters in which the Lord's people are gathered from the whole earth, you will see that there was great tribulation prior to their being gathered. These events are all the same along with the Olivets, which have yet to transpire.

 Zechariah 10:8 I will hiss for them, and gather them; for I have redeemed them: and they shall increase as they have increased.

Matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Isaiah 27:12  And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall beat off from the channel of the river unto the stream of Egypt, and ye shall be gathered one by one, O ye children of Israel. 13  And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown, and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria, and the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship the Lord in the holy mount at Jerusalem.

Isaiah 54:7 For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.

Isaiah 60:4 Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side.

 

The faithful are those who are in Christ, not those who belong to a different race or are living in a specific place. God only respects and accepts FAITH IN CHRIST. Nothing else will do.