BibleGuy

Well, I don't know if we have 100% proof for that one.... Jesus viewed Psalms as "law". The Torah of Moses is (by definition) law. Genesis is not the law of Moses...but still has some laws. Ecclesiastes is true, but not really "law". Song of Songs is quite interesting! But not really "law". But ALL Scripture is required (2Ti.3:16)..... So I'm not sure how important this issue is.... I guess we can ask them later.... Minimally, TORAH (law) in Jer.31:33 refers to TORAH OF MOSES (and thus the PROPHETS and PSALMS by extension)...and that is good enough to rebuke the widely anti-Torah religious establishment all around us. Let's return to truly authentic Torah-obedient faith, as required by Jesus (Mt.5:19) and the apostles (Mt.23:34) for all disciples of all nations (Mt.28:19-20). blessings...

TORAH is foundational. The PROPHETS are an extension, including the Psalms, because the Psalms are prophetic too. Other writings (like Proverbs) are still Scripture, upheld by Paul and Peter, for example, but of a lesser status in the overall hierarchy...but still true and inspired as Scripture. Call it "law" if you want....it's just semantics really. ALL Scripture (all writings) apply to us (2Ti.3:16). blessings...

Or would the implementation of God's death-penalty laws REDUCE the practice of such sin, thus resulting in an INCREASE in widespread repentance? Thus, I'll go with God's law, to the extent possible while in diaspora.... blessings...

Paul cites Isaiah as an extension of law..... Why? TORAH authorizes the prophets (Nu.12:6)....so the prophets are simply an extension of God's lawful authority.

Jn. 10 has Jesus citing Psalms as Law....because the Jewish establishment at that time understood that the PROPHETS are authorized by TORAH (Nu.12:6).. And, the Psalms are rightly identified as Prophetic.... Thus, the authority of the Psalms as "law" derives from the Psalms as an extension of the Prophets which are authorized by Torah. AND! Jesus says that the Psalms CAN NOT BE SET ASIDE OR BROKEN (Jn.10:35).... Thus: 1. JESUS requires Psalms (Jn.10:35) 2. Psalms require TORAH (e.g., Ps. 1;19;119). 3. Jesus requires Torah (from 1 and 2). That's ANOTHER reason for us to obey Torah! Because that's what Jesus believed and taught. blessings...

"Can't find "Torah" in the Bible." Then learn Hebrew! כִּי זֹאת הַבְּרִית אֲשֶׁר אֶכְרֹת אֶת־בֵּית יִשְׂרָאֵל אַחֲרֵי הַיָּמִים הָהֵם נְאֻם־יְהוָה נָתַתִּי אֶת־תֹּֽורָתִי בְּקִרְבָּם וְעַל־לִבָּם אֶכְתֲּבֶנָּה וְהָיִיתִי לָהֶם לֵֽאלֹהִים וְהֵמָּה יִֽהְיוּ־לִי לְעָֽם Do you see it? " תֹּֽורָתִי " is Hebrew for "my Torah" The noun is TORAH: " תּוֹרָה " By the way, this is JEREMIAH 31:33. The VERY NEW COVENANT inaugurated in Christ's blood (Lk.22:20). "Who invented that phrase?" Hebrew has been around for a LONG time....4000 years plus? "Who said only 5 books are "Law" books?" Good question. I exclude Genesis from the "written Torah of Moses" because I doubt Moses is the original author of all the material in Genesis. Besides, there are only a few commands for us in Genesis....and even Exodus....until Ex. 12 to Ex. 13....and then FLOOD of commands beginning in Ex. 20 all the way through the end of Exodus, then all of Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. So "תּוֹרָה " can refer to the WRITTEN TORAH OF MOSES (1Ki.2:3) which is generally EXODUS, LEVITICUS, NUMBERS, and DEUTERONOMY. But Genesis is important too....Jesus clearly takes material in Genesis seriously.....so we should too (Lk.6:40;1Jn.2:6). blessings...

You should obey ALL Scripture (2Ti.3:16).

Not sure if you're serious or just trolling..... But TORAH is foundational. Torah sanctions the prophets, thus including Psalms. Torah authorizes the Messiah who upholds the entire Tanach. The Messiah authorizes the Apostles who wrote much of the New Testament. ALL the NT is inspired, given our good reason to trust the Spirit's guidance, and given the widespread uniformity of the NT canon across the major branches of Christianity over the past 2000 years. Torah requires Torah. Torah requires the Prophets who requires Torah. The Messiah requires the Tanach which requires Torah. The Apostles require the Tanach which requires Torah. The entire NT requires Torah. Torah is foundational in the New Covenant....Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10;10:16....being inaugurated by Christ's very blood (Lk.22:20). blessings...

" Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart." Ouch indeed! This upholds CHRIST who requires ALL TORAH (Mt.5:19). This upholds the SPIRIT who testifies we obey TORAH (Heb.10:15-16;Eze.36:27;Is.59:20-21;Heb.8:13 + Heb.8:7). This upholds Torah-obedience from the HEART (thus Paul applies Dt. 30:14 to you in Rom.10:8....that's TORAH-OBEDIENCE from the HEART!) "Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life." Ah yes....the NEW COVENANT which is given as TORAH (Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10;10:16). Not of the letter without the spirit....for that would kill. Rather, of the SPIRIT who testifies we obey TORAH (Heb.10:15-16;Eze.36:27;Is.59:20-21;Heb.8:13 + Heb.8:7), thus walking in LIFE (Jn.6:63 + Mt. 5:19;Mt.4:4 citing Dt. 8:3 referencing TORAH). Oh by the way, this is written by Paul who requires ALL TORAH (2Ti.3:16;1Cor.7:19). "How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?" The Spirit IS glorious! The SPIRIT who testifies we obey TORAH (Heb.10:15-16;Eze.36:27;Is.59:20-21;Heb.8:13 + Heb.8:7). "much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory." Ah yes..... RIGHTEOUSNESS! We who are righteous obey TORAH (Dt.6:25;Is.56:1;Eze.18:5-9;Da.12:3;Mt.5:20;2Ti.3:16). After all, righteousness is some thing we DO (1Jn.2:29;3:7) or else we are a child of the devil (1Jn.3:10) who will NOT inherit the forthcoming kingdom (Mt.5:20). " For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious." Yes, the glory on Moses face did fade away....along with the Old Covenant (Heb.8:13). The SAME TORAH, however, passes into the NEW Covenant (Heb.8:10 citing Jer.31:33). NEW Covenant (Jer.31:31;Heb.8:8). SAME Torah (Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10;10:16). "And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished" Yes, the glory on Moses face did fade away....along with the Old Covenant (Heb.8:13). The SAME TORAH, however, passes into the NEW Covenant (Heb.8:10 citing Jer.31:33). NEW Covenant (Jer.31:31;Heb.8:8). SAME Torah (Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10;10:16). "But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ." Sad....many Israelites rejected the Messiah who requires Torah (Mt.5:19)....because many of those Israelites upheld their own bogus traditions instead of TORAH (Mk.7;Mt.23). And many Christians, today, oppose the very TORAH (Mt.5:19) which their Messiah applies to them (via Mt.28:19-20). Sigh...... It's tough to break-free from 1800-year-old anti-Torah traditions.... But let's be brave! Let's actually return to truly authentic Torah-obedient faith, as required by the Messiah (Mt.5:19) and the Apostles (Mt.23:34). blessings...

That's right! LAW #1 DISOBEY AND DIE (Dt.30:15-19) LAW #2 OBEY AND LIVE (Dt.30:15-19) And ALL TORAH passes into the NEW Covenant (Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10;10:16). Good thing we (in Christ) are not under LAW #1 (Rom.8:2)....but are under LAW #2 (2Ti.3:16;Mt.5:19 + Mt.28:19-20;1Cor.7:19;1Jn.2:3;5:3). blessings...

Amazing....Jesus is a LAW-TEACHER (Mt.5:19). Jesus' APOSTLES include LAW-TEACHERS (Gr. " γραμματεύς ", Mt. 23:34). Jesus applies ALL TORAH (Mt.5:19) to ALL disciples of ALL nations (Mt.28:19-20) for the New Covenant is given as TORAH (Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10;10:16). Gal. 3:1 requires we obey the TRUTH. TORAH is truth (Ps.119:142). So obey Torah! Gal. 3:1 upholds CHRIST who applies ALL TORAH (Mt.5:19) to ALL disciples of ALL nations (Mt.28:19-20) for the New Covenant is given as TORAH (Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10;10:16). Gal. 3:2 upholds the SPIRIT who testifies we obey TORAH (Heb.10:15-16), even all Torah ordinances (Eze.36:27) "from now and forever" (citing Is.59:20-21 at Rom.11:26-27). Gal. 3:2 upholds the SPIRIT who opposes the flesh (Rom.8:13). The FLESH opposes the Torah (Rom.8:7). So the SPIRIT opposes TORAH-disobedience. So the Spirit leads us to OBEY Torah. So obey Torah in the Spirit! Gal. 3:2 OPPOSES faithless works of the law...but requires HEARING OF FAITH. So have FAITH! (Gal.3:11 citing " אֱמוּנָה "in Hab.2:4). And what is this way of " אֱמוּנָה " Paul requires in Galatians? Answer: TORAH! (see " אֱמוּנָה " in Ps. 119:30,86,138 for proof). "Amazing...Paul called the Law teachers, "witches"." Sure, if they teach law WITHOUT FAITH (Gal.5:4-5). That's why Paul requires LAW (Rom.2:13) AND FAITH (Rom.5:1) TOGETHER, for justification. NOT law alone (Gal.5:4-5) NOT faith alone (says James 2:24). But BOTH. TOGETHER. So obey! Don't get bewitched by crazy people who require law without faith. Rather, OBEY (2Ti.3:16) and have FAITH (Gal.3:11). Walk by FAITH (2Cor.5:7) AND walk in works (Eph.2:10). BOTH. TOGETHER. blessings...

Of COURSE the schoolmaster function of Torah no longer applies to us in Christ, because we in Christ have ALREADY come to Christ! Is the SCHOOLMASTER function the ONLY function of Torah? Of course NOT! Torah is HOLY (Rom.7:12). BE HOLY (1Pe.1:16) means OBEY TORAH. Torah is good (Rom.7:12). DO GOOD (Gal.6:10) means OBEY TORAH. Torah is righteous (Rom.7:12). DO RIGHTEOUSNESS (1Jn.2:29;3:7;Dt.6:25;Is.56:1;Da.12:2) or else you are a child of the devil (1Jn.3:10) who will NOT inherit the forthcoming kingdom (Mt.5:20). So OBEY! Torah is SPIRITUAL (Rom.7:14). SEEK the spiritual (1Cor.14:1) thus means OBEY TORAH. So OBEY! Torah brings joy (Ps.119:162) which is a fruit of the Spirit (Gal.5:22-23). So obey! Torah is obeyed out of LOVE (Dt.6:5,25;1Jn.5:3;Jn.14:15 + Mt.5:19) which is a fruit of the Spirit (Gal.5:22-23). So obey! Torah brings peace (Ps.119:165) which is a fruit of the Spirit (Gal.5:22-23). So OBEY! Torah is GOODNESS (Rom.7:12) which is a fruit of the Spirit (Gal.5:22-23). So OBEY! Torah is of FAITH (Mt.23:23;Dt.32:20;Ps.119:30,86,138) which is a fruit of the Spirit (Gal.5:22-23). So obey! Torah defines sin (Rom.3:20;7:7;1Jn.3:4). STOP SINNING (1Cor.15:34) thus means OBEY TORAH. So OBEY! Torah is foundational to the New Covenant (Jer.31:33) inaugurated in Christ's very blood (Lk.22:20) for you. So obey! or DISOBEY and face these scary risks: Mt.5:19 or worse (Mt.5:20) or worse (Mt.7:21-23) or worse (Mt.13:41-42) Yikes! Time to obey! blessings...

"Great, you are a righteous man. The Law was not made for you." You IGNORED the context again. The PROHIBITIVE laws are not made for me (i.e., do NOT kill, do NOT lie, etc.) because I am a righteous person who is already obeying Torah which requires good behavior (thus requires no killing or lying, etc.). That doesn't prove that ALL TORAH IS ABOLISHED! It merely proves that RIGHTEOUS PEOPLE OBEY ALL TORAH! Just as Paul elsewhere confirms (2Ti.3:16;Dt.30:14 + Rom.10:8). Jesus agrees (Mt.5:20). The LAW agrees (Dt.6:25). The PROPHETS agree (Is.56:1;Eze.18:5-9;Da.12:3). So OBEY ALL TORAH! "since obviously it is NOT for you, why you keeping it(partially)?" Not obvious at all. You simply IGNORED the PROHIBITIVE-TORAH-LAW context of Paul's statement again. Go back and read the previous paragraph here in this post. I am growing in faithful obedience to ALL presently observable Torah..... The reason we can not obey 100% of all Torah is because we are still in diaspora.... So, we do what we can.....knowing we WILL again obey 100% of all Torah in the future (Dt.30:1-8). "Do you feel akin to the rest?..." I already told you....the DO NOT KILL law applies to the behavior of those who KILL. The DO NOT KILL law does NOT apply to my behavior, because I am ALREADY OBEYING TORAH which requires that I do good things (including NOT KILLING!) Does this prove that DO NOT KILL is no longer in force? Of course not! It merely proves that RIGHTEOUS people are ALREADY OBEYING all Torah! (Dt. 6:25;2Ti.3:16;Mt.5:20;Is.56:1;Eze.18:5-9;Da.12:3). It's simple: OBEY OR DISOBEY. If you disobey, then REALLY bad things can happen (Mt.5:19) or worse (Mt.5:20) or worse (Mt.7:21-23) or worse (Mt.13:41-42) SO OBEY! blessings...

"LOL...Saints ordered to smite the heathen, now?" Punishing sin is not a laughing matter.... It's a terrible evil consequence of terrible evil actions.... "Question...would you burn a homosexual at the stake or stone an adulterer as prescribed by the O.T. Law, if civil laws of the land allowed you to?" If our countries upheld the Torah death penalties....then sin would be PROFOUNDLY reduced, by virtue of the DETERRENT of the law itself, and by virtue of the execution of people who committed death-penalty-warranting crimes. That's a good thing. Why would you not want that? And why do you keep saying "burn a homosexual" or "burn an adulterer".... Lev. 20:10,13 does not require execution by burning. I've heard the claim that the Torah death penalties were, in fact, rarely implemented back in the full-blown Torah-days of Israel.....again confirming that the law was effective in reducing sin. And again, that's a GOOD thing. Why would you not want that?

"The Law" is multiple Laws? "The Law" is partial Law, not all? Interesting....who decides which one to adhere to, the U.S. congress? YOU CHOOSE! OBEY AND LIVE, or DISOBEY AND DIE Two categories of law within the Torah. BOTH categories pass into the NEW Covenant (Jer.31:33). SO CHOOSE LIFE (Dt.30:15-19). So OBEY! OR.... Choose disobedience and death (Dt.30:15-19;Mt.5:20;7:21-23;13:41-42). Choice is yours. Torah-OBEDIENCE is sufficient for eternal life (Lk.10:25-28). That's a good reason to OBEY! blessings...

TWO LAWS: OBEDIENCE or DISOBEDIENCE. They are BOTH IN Dt. 30:15-19. Paul APPLIES Dt. 30 to you (Rom.10:8) thus UPHOLDING BOTH LAWS. But! The law of sinful disobedience and death (Dt.30:15-19) does NOT apply to us in Christ (Rom.8:2). Why? Because we are FORGIVEN of sins (Mt.1:21) and we OBEY in faith (Rom.10:8 citing Dt. 30:14)! Thus, the law of OBEDIENCE (Dt.30:15-19;1Jn.5:3;Mt.5:19;2Ti.3:16;1Cor.7:19) and LIFE (Mt. 4:4;Dt.8:3;30:15-19;32:47;Jn.6:63 + Mt.5:19;Jn.14:6 + Mt.23:2-3,23) is in force for us. NOT the law of disobedience and death. But they are BOTH Torah. That's why you must CHOOSE! CHOOSE LIFE! (Dt.30:15-19) So OBEY! blessings...

"The Levite/Aaronic priesthood was changed under the New Covenant, to the Melchizedek priesthood. " Then Moses lied (Dt.30:1-8). I'll stick with the Bible. AND, the LEVITICAL and MELCHIZEDEK priesthoods function SIMULTANEOUSLY! After all, Jesus functioned in his Melchizedek capacity, yet the Levitical Priesthood CONTINUES into the NEW COVENANT ERA (Mt.5:24 + Mt. 28:19-20;(Mk.11:17 citing Is.56:7) + Mt.28:19-20;Heb.8:10 + Jer.31:33;Col.2:17;Heb.10:1;Ac.21 + 1Cor.11:1;Ac.6:7). So again, your change is UNBIBLICAL. Let's get back to the Bible. Thanks. "The LORD would need to destroy that Temple along with it's priesthood. " Wrong. The LORD comes to RESTORE that very Priesthood (Mal.3:4) to fulfill Dt. 30:1-8;Eze.40-47;Jer.33;Is.66;Zec.6;Zec.14;Is.66;Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10;10:16;Eze.36:27. THIS HE WILL. blessings.

"Only "the priesthood" has been "changed". " Then Moses lied (Dt.30:1-8). I'll stick with the Bible. Even the SAME TORAH which passes into the NEW Covenant (Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10;10:16). blessings...

Yes, we've been over it..... But ALL Torah will be obeyed (Dt.30:1-8) in the future, or else Moses is a false prophet. Simple enough. Believe Moses, or your anti-Moses theology. You can't have both. "I do not accept that." I accept Jesus' words. ALL TORAH (Mt.5:19) applies to ALL disciples of ALL nations (Mt.28:19-20). I've warned you! "Why would God command that we do something, that we CANNOT do - travel up to Jerusalem, to offer animal sacrifices? And that for almost 2000 years. " OBVIOUSLY! We are still being punished for our DISOBEDIENCE. That's WHY we were cast out of the land. We don't return to God until the LATTER DAYS (Dt. 4:30).....and the resistance widely expressed (even in this forum) confirms the reason we are still banished from our homeland. "The blood of lambs and goats and bulls, IS NOT essential to our salvation. " It is for David (Ps.51:12,19). Paul applies the Psalms to you (Eph.5:19;Col.3:16). So, when we return to inherit our land, we WILL again obey 100% of all Torah (Dt.30:1-8)....SACRIFICES INCLUDED! (Mal.3:4;Eze.40-47;Jer.33;Zec.6;Zec.14;Is.66). "If it were, the LORD would have restored that Temple on the Mount." Don't worry! Jesus WILL restore the sacrifices "as in the days of old, as in former years" (Mal.3:4) in the temple (Eze.40-47) He will rebuild (Zec.6) to fulfill the Davidic Covenant (Jer.33), Sabbath (Is.66), Sukkot for ALL NATIONS (Zec.14) with punishment against those who refuse, and with 100% obedience to ALL Torah (thus including SACRIFICES! Dt. 30:1-8) at that time. We are STILL in diaspora (Jas.1:1). We have NOT yet inherited the land promised to us (Gal.3:29;Mt.5:5). It's yet FUTURE (Dt.30:1-8) for the LATTER DAYS (Dt. 4:30). So, until then, we do what we can.... blessings...

TORAH is for MEN (i.e., all people) TO LIVE (Mt. 4:4 citing Dt. 8:3 referencing TORAH). OBEY TORAH and have ETERNAL LIFE (Lk.10:25-28). Jesus was not joking. It's ok to actually BELIEVE Jesus (Lk.10:25-28;Mt.5:19). You can do it! BELIEVE His words! blessings...

"Just curious...why do you want to be in the latter group?(who the Law is made for)?" Why would you want to DISOBEY TORAH and, thus, have the PROHIBITIVE TORAH LAWS judge your sinful behavior? Of course you don't want that! SO OBEY! I do NOT want to be in the group of people to whom the PROHIBITIVE LAWS apply! That's WHY I obey all Torah, so that the PROHIBITIVE laws do not apply! After all, DO NOT KILL does not apply to my specific behavior today, because I am NOT killing anybody today! If I DO start killing people, then it DOES apply to me! That's another good reason to NOT GO AROUND KILLING PEOPLE! After all, that SAME PAUL upholds SOUND DOCTRINE (1Ti.1:10) which Paul models for us as TORAH-OBEDIENCE (Ac.21;2Ti.3:16;1Cor.7:19;1Cor.11:1). Of course the PROHIBITIVE laws (e.g., do NOT kill, do NOT lie, do NOT perform bad action XYZ...) are not for righteous people....because righteous people are ALREADY OBEYING ALL TORAH! (Dt.6:25;Is.56:1;Eze.18:5-9;Da.12:3;Mt.5:20;2Ti.3:16) And that SAME PAUL requires TORAH-OBEDIENCE. Here's more proof you STILL NEED TO ADDRESS: 2Ti.3:16 1Cor.7:19 1Cor. 11 + Jer.31:33 Rom.2:13 Rom.2:27 Rom.3:20 + 1Cor.15:34 Rom.7:25 + 1Cor.11:1 Dt. 30:14 + Rom.10:8 Is.59:20-21 + Rom.11:26-27 Ac. 21:24 + Php.4:9 blessings...

OOPS! The SPIRIT testifies we obey TORAH (Heb.10:15-16;Eze.36:27;Is.59:20-21;Rom.8:13 + Rom.8:7;Jn.6:63 + Mt. 5:19). And there are TWO LAWS: 1. The law of sinful disobedience and death (Dt.30:15-19) 2. The law of righteous obedience and life (Dt.30:15-19) Rom. 8:2 merely proves you are not under LAW #1. Paul REQUIRES Law #2! Here's the proof you continue to NOT address: 2Ti.3:16 1Cor.7:19 1Cor. 11 + Jer.31:33 Rom.2:13 Rom.2:27 Rom.3:20 + 1Cor.15:34 Rom.7:25 + 1Cor.11:1 Dt. 30:14 + Rom.10:8 Is.59:20-21 + Rom.11:26-27 Ac. 21:24 + Php.4:9 After all, Paul serves in the SPIRIT (Rom.7:6). SERVES WHAT? TORAH! (Rom.7:25) So OBEY! blessings...

I already answered you.... I am righteous in Christ who requires all Torah (Mt.5:19) for ALL disciples of ALL nations (Mt.28:19-20). You should obey Torah too! Or else you've OPPOSED the very substance of the Great Commission in Mt. 28:19-20. RIGHTEOUS people obey TORAH (Dt. 6:25;Is.56:1;Eze.18:5-9;Da.12:3;2Ti.3:16;Mt.5:20). RIGHTEOUSNESS is something you DO (1Jn.2:29;3:7) or else you are a child of the devil (1Jn.3:10). So OF COURSE the PROHIBITIVE LAWS (e.g., don't kill, don't lie, don't XYZ....) do not apply to RIGHTEOUS people....because RIGHTEOUS people are ALREADY OBEYING ALL TORAH! (Dt. 6:25;Is.56:1;Eze.18:5-9;Da.12:3;2Ti.3:16;Mt.5:20). After all, 1 Ti. 1 is written by PAUL who requires TORAH! Here's more proof you've not bothered to address: 2Ti.3:16 1Cor.7:19 1Cor. 11 + Jer.31:33 Rom.2:13 Rom.2:27 Rom.3:20 + 1Cor.15:34 Rom.7:25 + 1Cor.11:1 Dt. 30:14 + Rom.10:8 Is.59:20-21 + Rom.11:26-27 Ac. 21:24 + Php.4:9 After all, the law is GOOD (Rom.7:12;1Ti.1:8). So DO GOOD (Gal.6:10) entails OBEYING TORAH. So OBEY! blessings...

"Wrong. There are 2 Laws now...." Of COURSE! I just told you what they are: 1. Law of sinful disobedience and death (Dt. 30:15-19) 2. Law of righteous obedience and life (Dt.50:15-19) Rom. 8:2 only proves we are not under Law #1. Rom. 8 ALSO proves we are UNDER LAW #2! Here's the evidence: 1. Rom. 8:2 upholds Christ who requires all Torah (Mt.4:4;5:19-20;7:21-23;13:41-42;22:37;23:2-3,23,34;Lk.10:25-28) for ALL disciples of ALL nations (Mt.28:19-20) 2. Rom. 8:2 upholds the SPIRIT who testifies we obey TORAH (Heb.10:15-16), even all Torah ordinances (Eze.36:27) "from now and forever" (Is.59:20-21 cited at Rom.11:26-27). 3. Rom. 8:3 confirms SIN is BAD. SIN is Torah-disobedience (Rom.3:20;7:7;1Jn.3:4). STOP SINNING (1Cor.15:34) thus means OBEY TORAH. 4. Rom. 8:4 upholds the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE LAW which is exhibited in TORAH-OBEDIENCE (Dt. 6:25;Is.56:1;Da.12:3;Eze.18:5-9;2Ti.3:16;Mt.5:20). 5. Rom. 8:4 confirms the FLESH IS BAD. The FLESH disobeys Torah (Rom.8:7). Thus Torah-disobedience is bad. Thus, DO GOOD (Gal.6:10) entails OBEYING TORAH. 6. Rom. 8:4 upholds the SPIRIT who testifies we obey TORAH (Heb.10:15-16), even all Torah ordinances (Eze.36:27) "from now and forever" (Is.59:20-21 cited at Rom.11:26-27). 7. Rom. 8:13 confirms the SPIRIT opposes the flesh. And the flesh disobeys Torah (Rom.8:7). Thus the Spirit opposes Torah-disobedience. Thus the Spirit leads us to OBEY TORAH! 8. Paul JUST TOLD US that he CONTINUES to serve (Rom.7:6). Serve what? TORAH! (Rom.7:25). 9. Paul UPHOLDS the New Covenant (1Cor.11) which is given as TORAH (Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10;10:16). 10. Paul says TORAH-OBEDIENCE is the word of faith he preaches (citing Dt. 30:14 at Rom.10:8). 11. Paul requires ALL Torah (1Cor.7:19). 12. Paul condones an animal-sacrifice-laden vow to prove he "walks orderly according to the law" (Ac.21); Paul requires that YOU imitate that Torah-obedient model (1Cor.11:1;Php.4:9). "Which means you mind the things of the flesh." You're UPSIDE DOWN buddy! The flesh DISOBEYS Torah (Rom.8:7). I OBEY Torah. Try again! "You need to mind the things of the Spirit." You mean the Spirit who leads us to obey Torah? (Heb.10:15-16;Eze.36:27;Rom.8:13 + Rom.8:7;Jn.6:63 + Mt.5:19;Ps. 51:11,19) Ok! Let's obey the Holy Spirit of Torah who leads us to walk in the Spirit in faithful Torah-obedience! After all, we are given the Holy Spirit IF we obey God (Ac.5:32) who commands TORAH (Dt.1:3;5:27-33). So OBEY in the Spirit! Don't walk in the FLESH which DISOBEYS TORAH (Rom.8:7)....that's BAD. So OBEY! "Get it right." Ok. We should do what is RIGHT (Ac.10:35) and FEAR GOD (Ac.10:35).... And those who fear God obey TORAH (Dt.17:19;28:58;31:12). That's why Peter applies Lev. 11 to you (1Pe.1:16). STOP eating pork (1Pe.1:16 citing Lev.11). OBEY! blessings...

Hi there! "Yep, "dispensational teaching", is required to rightly divide the word. " Wrong. CHURCH = ISRAEL (Ac.7:38;Dt. 4:10). "There is no way to get your Theology into correct "context", without a bit of "dispensational" approach." Wrong. CHURCH = ISRAEL (Ac.7:38;Dt. 4:10). "Trying to jam Moses and the Law of commandments, into "Grace and Truth", came BY Jesus The Christ." WRONG. Jesus requires ALL TORAH OF MOSES (Mt.5:19) for ALL disciples of ALL nations (Mt.28:19-20). TORAH is truth (Ps.119:142)....Jesus never abolished TRUTH. GRACE is given to the humble (Jas.4:6;1Pe.5:5;Pr.3:34). HUMBLE people obey TORAH (Nu.12:3;Ps.25:9;Zep.2:3;Ex.33:13). So BE HUMBLE (1Pe.5:6) entails OBEYING TORAH (1Pe.5:6). "It can't be both. " OOPS! Rom.2:13 + Rom.5:1 Dt. 30:14 + Rom. 10:8 Jn.3:16 + Lk.10:25-28 Rom.11:26-27 + Is.59:20-21 Heb. 8:10 + Jer.31:33 "It can't be "believe on the Lord, and you shall be saved"... AND....>"keep the commandments and the Law (Torah) to be saved"." OOPS! Ac.16:31 + Lk.10:25-28 "IT can't be "by Grace you are saved without the works of the Law", and "i keep myself saved by my DEEDS and LIFESTYLE and COMMANDMENT KEEPING and OBEYING THE LAW, (Torah)." Sure it can! IF "works of the law" (in Paul's usage) means FAITHLESS works of the law! (which it does) After all, we are justified by LAW (Rom.2:13) and FAITH (Rom.5:1) TOGETHER. Not by law alone (Gal.5:4-5). Not by faith alone (Jas.2:24). But BOTH. TOGETHER. "But if you try to teach "Torah + Cross", as "time of the Gentiles" (Where God is only accepting our FAITH "as Righteteousness") as Bibleman is getting so confused, then you are teaching heresy because there is no understanding related to dispensations, so, he is butting heads with Paul." DISPENSATIONALISM IS FALSE (Ac.7:38;Dt.4:10). FAITH is of TORAH (Mt.23:23;Dt.32:20;Ps.119:30,86,138). THAT is the faith Paul requires (citing Hab. 2:4 at Gal.3:11). HERESY includes the false teachings of false prophets (2Pe.2:1) who OPPOSE Torah (Dt.13:1-5). So HERESY is ANTI-TORAH. So don't be a heretic! OBEY TORAH! Just like Paul also requires ALL Torah (2Ti.3:16;1Cor.7:19). " and have "fallen from Grace". These are Legalists." Yes..... LEGALISM is bad. LEGALISM is seeking salvation/justification by works WITHOUT FAITH. That's BAD. Paul requires justification by LAW (Rom.2:13) AND FAITH (Rom.5:1). We are saved by Paul's Gospel IF WE HOLD FAST TO THE WORD HE PREACHED (1Cor.15:1-4) which is FAITHFUL TORAH-OBEDIENCE (citing Dt. 30:14 at Rom.10:8). So OBEY! Just as Paul requires...