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Occam's razor says that people living on rapidly moving continents is the simplest answer.

I would see all these as post flood. Since laws and forces of physics were likely not the same as today, there may have also been some way to lessen gravity! (making the moving of huge blocks easy) Having some force balancing or somewhat cancelling gravity would also facilitate huge land masses moving easier. Personally I believe that the planet itself was also somehow affected, resulting in a sudden change in the length of a year (used to be 360 days) On the issue of sediment and fossils, there were plenty of those before the flood as well. Perhaps some areas where water arose from the deep tended to ebb and flow water and would be mistaken by modern science as tidal activity from seas...etc. I agree. This explains similarities in architecture, customs etc. Not only normal dispersing, but the separation caused by continents moving apart. Yes The place Job lived and the time he lived may have been closer to the time of the flood than assumed. I have a way of dating it. We know men lived somewhere around 9 centuries and change before the flood. Going forward we see a huge change that is most notable and best explained on a graph happened around the time of Peleg and Babel. No one after Peleg lived more than something like 230 years or whatever it was. Excepting people born before Babel and Peleg. (Shem etc) Even with people like Shem, I think their lifespan was shorter than it would have been if no change happened in Peleg's day. Here is an illustration. If Noah lived 600 years before the flood and 450 years after that would be 950 years. That means only 350 after the flood. If Babel was something like 105 years after the flood, that would mean Noah only lived about 245 years after Babel. That was approx the average age in Peleg's time. If Shem was 98 or 99 years old in the flood year, that would mean he probably would have been about 103 or 104 years old when Babel happened . That would mean he lived about 500 years after Babel. We don't know when the earth was divided in Peleg's day. Let's assume for the sake of an example that it was 100 years after the time of Babel. Peleg would have been a little over a hundred years old. Shem would have been about 300 years old. (a hundred before the flood, a hundred years till Babel, and another hundred years after Babel) That would mean that Shem only would have lived after the dividing of the earth (I assume this was when a change in physics and nature happened) for about 300 years! That was above average. I assume that whatever change happened that caused men to live drastically shorter lifespans may have affected those born before the change, but not quite as much. So, to the dating method point now- anyone that lived around the same as Peleg was something like 2 or 300 years post flood. Then we have Abraham and others dropping to 175 years, so that would be many decades later. (Jewish tradition has Abraham meeting Noah while Abraham was a child) So, we can use the lifespan of Peleg as a base to date people. Moses, for example was centuries later and he lived only 120 years...etc. Job lived 140 years, so by this dating scheme, that was before Moses, and after Peleg, and after Abraham etc.

You were guessing. No one knows. My guess is that the Yucatan crater may be a left over from one of them. I wasn't thinking about or talking about water as a cause for the rapid plate separation. If physical laws were not the same and thermodynamics, etc we would have no worries about as much heat being caused by friction of fast moving plates or etc etc.

We know the next time the world is judged it will be by fire not water. That's why. If God did not tell Noah to build that ark and how and why and in what timeframe etc, it would have been foolishness to build a boat.

Yes we do, because God never told us to. I don't question the operation He conducted in the flood. He knew how to design a boat and etc. Your armchair second guessing God in a doubtful spirit means nothing.

That does not mean that they moved when waters came up in the flood. Yes water was under the surface before the flood. That has no connection to continents moving that we know about. You seem to be trying to use the water surfacing in the flood as the mechanism for rapid continental drift.

No. None were mentioned in the bible. You mean NOW IF continents moved then there would be earthquakes. Irrelevant. However the continents will all move again in the end and there will be earth shaking then. Again, not relevant to the present time. There used to be a lot that was not the same, such as water under the world etc etc. The laws of that time were different. So there was no problem for people on land masses that were wafting around. No great heat. No waves to kill all people, etc etc. In fact that explains how plants, animals and people got around to the various continents.

No God involved? He designed the ark. He brought the animals to it. He closed the door on the ark. He provided all that was needed.

Source? No one asked what animals 'do'. The issue is what happened long ago.

Why would moving continents kill people? If the rapid separation was after or at the time of Babel that doesn't apply. Great. If true, then we have them built after the flood. Since the separation of lands probably came anywhere from 105 years to say, about 335 years after the flood, again, a moot point. Why up to over 300 years after the flood? If Babel was build when Peleg was five years old, and Peleg was born some 105 years or whatever after the flood that means Babel was more than a century after the flood. It also means Peleg lived more than 200 years after this time.

Why would it have taken a whole month? Since we do not know how adapting used to occur, we can't know how long it would have taken. I personally assume that living creatures likely could have adapted. In other words if Ham went south to a warmer climate, perhaps his skin and other things could have adapted while he was alive still. If a bird needed to adjust their migration routes or diets etc why might that not have happened to them while still alive back then? We don't know the exact blend and nature of laws that existed then. It actually seems possible to me that many creatures sort of got 'frozen' or locked in to their instincts and migrations etc and that the world and nature probably changed. Yet they still had their 'old' instincts and etc. We see eels, for example migrate thousands of miles out to a place near where the continents were joined together today (Sargasso Sea) Why? It is almost like they have built in habitual instincts to go and breed there, despite it making no apparent sense in this present world and nature. That brings to mind a question. Could animals in the former nature have been in more direct and instant communication with God or nature or whatever so that they could adjust and adapt on the fly as needed? Looking at the future in the bible, (which I think is the actual key to the far past, rather than the present being the key) there is evidence supporting this concept. Frightening evidence. There is coming a time in the end when animals will all change their 'normal' behaviors (built in instincts) and attack mankind!

When people say God is a liar and did not really create, it makes the difference between belief and unbelief. Part of believing in Jesus is knowing He created all things and that He is God.

Peleg lived probably over 200 years after Babel. If the rapid separation was around that time (and I heard somewhere that Peleg was probably around 5 years old at the time) So yes the earth was split in his time

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I assumed you realized you ran out of steam days ago. I guess it took awhile. Pretending there is some mystery secret unspeakable science you comprehend that you could somehow not post on the issues here is dishonest and ridiculous. I have seen what science preaches on these matters. They expound upon the natural realities of the present, trying to explain all the past and future by these. Then you mentioned some made up left field nonsense about 'Lucifer's flood'. More foolishness. Neither bible or science. You are done all right! Then you alluded to many 'global floods' in the past. Another foolish crock. Then in your last post you displayed a true ignorance of the bible by saying this "biblical account of the floods I've mentioned" Sorry I didn't let you get away with pretending you were leaving the discussion in victory. Unless you can clean up your act, you don't even have anything worthy of debate or mild consideration.

It is far better. It is a firsthand account given by the creator. Modern science is not a science textbook either. It is a mish mash of ever changing and often conflicting theories. I dismiss nothing. The bible is also not that hard to understand. Only to believe. ? There was only one flood of Noah. Never heard of the devil flood, sorry. There was no flood before Noah in the bible Support your claim about numerous global floods? Don't offer you vague daydreaming as fact. Nothing actually lines up with what you made up. There was no other global flood and nothing matches imaginary floods before that in the real world.

Nothing wrong with honest faith. The dishonest belief offered as fact is an issue.

Since the rest of the days of creation were a day, one could not say the first day was not as well. No problem whatsoever. There is one order of creation and in chapter two a look at what was already (as verse one says) FINISHED. Not two conflicting confused accounts at all.

Why allude to 'evidence' you can neither produce or defend is you did? The earth and heaven were created on day one. That heaven did not contain anything though like stars sun or moon. That came later and was put IN the heaven. Just as a lot of things were put on the earth later.

The way great time in the 'cosmos' is determined by science is faith based. One way to dispel any notion of a pre existing universe (before the world was created) is to read how the entire heavens (cosmos) will vanish in one day. The basic question becomes who we believe and lean on for the truth. Science or God.

The fact the bible says the flood was all over the world is not debatable Nonsense. Traces of what? What evidences the sites were subducted and resurrected again as needed? Ha Still waiting for you to evidence that the specific sites were dunked miles under and resurfaced again? What sentence in your link even addresses that? I am not going to argue how deep they say it was, I gave links that said miles under. It is all fantasy anyhow, so who cares? Prove it. A year long worldwide flood that covered the highest mountains would actually move a lot of sand and rock etc. Get a grip

No. It was worldwide, clearly. Not a serious debate issue. Foolishness. How about no radiation as we know it? Not like you have the ability to know. How would we know? You just look at the present and assume it all got here in this nature, which is religious quackery and not knowledge based. What evidence? You are making stuff up Make a point, and use links as support, not a reading project. Why repeat a falsehood that is not even relevant? I never asked how it worked. I asked what evidence YOU have for a claim it happened in Gabon to the sites in question. They claimed it was miles under in the previous link I posted. It also does not matter what you think 'had to be'! What matters is what you can prove was. Provide some sentence or place in your link where it talks about the submerging and resurfacing of the site? Ha ? Are you now disputing their claim it went deep under the earth and later resurfaced at the right time?! You seem confused. Being is sandstone could be related to the flood of course. The uplifting probably later on near the time of the tower of Babel in the days of Peleg. No one needs your fable because there is sandstone there. You really have nothing it seems.

Shorten IN this nature and physics. Irrelevant. No one asked how tectonics happen. You claimed the sites in Gabon specifically were dunked miles under and resurfaced as needed and that this was known and supportable. Posting a cartoon pic does not even address the issue. Show the specs got Gabon. (otherwise I might have to)

As mentioned, the fact the flood covered the world and killed everyone is not debatable

Supporting you claims does not consist of telling other posters they deny something that you failed to support. Perhaps you are getting your threads mixed up, because no one here even mentions some 'faster' decay in the past but you. Specifics? Name the plate and evidence that it was dunked for the precise times the recipe needed to work? Ha Explain what 'the mantle' has to do with Gabon and the specs you claim that were dunked? You don't just get to say the word mantle as if it supports your fairy tale In other words you need it to be so! There 'had to be' certain things. Seriously?? I didn't think anything, I cited articles dealing with the Oklo reactor. One example is here "If uranium can be so easily dissolved in oxygenated groundwater, how can the Oklo uranium deposit have survived intact for almost two billion years? The geologists told us that the basin containing the Oklo sediments apparently sank to a sufficient depth to protect the uranium ore from re dissolution over most of its geological history. Only in recent time, within the past few million years, has the ore horizon approached the surface where normal prospecting efforts could succeed in identifying it, Thus the series of special circum stances necessary to the discovery of the Oklo phenomenon includes not only the processes which produced a natural critical mass of uranium but the unusual geophysical and geochemical conditions which preserved the ore body for nearly half the lifetime of the planet and finally brought it to the surface" https://sgp.fas.org/othergov/doe/lanl/lib-www/la-pubs/00394162.pdf In other articles I read it was many thousands of feet under. They basically claim whatever is needed to produce a natural reaction today. Hilarious. "He explained that, after the fission process had finished, a geological shift caused the Oklo reactor to sink a few miles below the surface - where it was preserved from erosion. A few million years ago, another shift brought the uranium deposits back to the surface." https://www.livescience.com/75-natural-nuclear-reaction-powered-ancient-geyser.html hahahaha