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7 hours ago, Starise said:

I mention God shows me things. He can show anyone things.

Greetings Starise...

Yes of course and I agree I have read many of your posts over the years...He does show you things...thank you for sharing some of them...I personally have both learned and been comforted through your "words"...and I am sure many others have as well.

7 hours ago, Starise said:

Much of the issue, at least in North America is the lack of knowledge from leaders on the subject.

Which is exactly my point...Starise...in my own experience since 1986 I have come to understand that the leadership in any denominational structure almost always has the wrong Idea of who and what apostles and prophets...specifically...are to the Body of Christ in the New Covenant...up to today.

Most think there is no need for them and there are a surprising number of religious leaders who believe and teach that "apostles and prophets" have ceased...these perspectives are not only flawed...but they are likely to be eternally flawed unless there is an acceptable repentance. These folks lead the church...not the Body of Christ. 

The Holy Spirit teaches this "reality" in a completely "spiritual" way...where only via a "maturing spiritual discernment" of the "Living Word of God" as He "speaks or reveals" Himself...can His revelation be understood by the sons of God. Its a relationship not a destination...an intimate relationship at that.

It is a Father and son relationship...and the Father has granted access to His sons...for their inheritance...via the Holy Spirit. This inheritance provides the son with all he needs to live his days on the earth as an eternal being in Christ. That's what modern religion in any flavor lacks. 

A part from those gifts..."apostle, prophet, evangelist, shepherd and teacher"...from the Lord Yahshua Christ...one cannot "see" the Body of Christ as it is.

The Lord told Nicodemus "unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God." So a primary cause of spiritual blindness is not actually being born again...yet being able to read the bible...you can see the problem this presents...this always leads to the religion of the Babylonian harlot.

He also told Nicodemus..."unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God"...meaning that those who proclaim the bible...because they can read...yet cannot see the Kingdom of God...they have no chance of being in the Kingdom of God today on the earth. Yet...these lead the churches everywhere.

If there were prophets and apostles in the vicinity of these churches...they left when they were "called out" by the Lord Himself...however they are here on the earth today and are leading the Body of Christ exactly as they have been taught by their Head...Starise.

There is more to say...at another time perhaps.

Tatwo...:)

On 5/5/2024 at 11:23 PM, Kristina said:

Was this man really a prophet of God...

Where are the prophets and apostles in regards to these forums…gone? Where are they in regards to the modern version of institutional denominational Christianity? If one (apostle or prophet) showed up in these forums…how would they be treated?

If this forum is a cross section from the religious world…and to a degree it is…I am curious. With the multitude of “experienced and elder” biblical intellectuals in our midst…why did this forum…now 6  pages and 58 replies deep…“not” get more intensely into the bible than it has…to bring forth a spiritual understanding of the roll of the New Covenant apostle, prophet, evangelist, shepherd and teacher?

To his credit…Ray12614 did briefly along with perhaps another…with the lightest of brush strokes…reference the location of the answer to the question of modern day New Covenant apostles and prophets…I am surprised no one has yet gone deeper into this…perhaps I can.

These gifts [apostle, prophet, evangelist, shepherd and teacher] are given to men (sons of God) so that under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit Himself…you remember…the one who…"when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.” That’s prophecy no doubt.

These [apostle, prophet, evangelist, shepherd and teacher] are all gifts of the grace of the Lord Yahshua…which are nothing less than some of the eternal attributes and characteristics of God manifest in the flesh…Himself. These gifts are Him…He is the Spirit…this Spirit indwells select humans who are then being assembled into the Body of Christ by the Holy Spirit. These gifts are given to assist this divine plan.

Of course…this is to allow for the raising of the “new born the spiritual infant”…born in the temple of the Lord…up into a “spiritually mature adult” member of the Body (family) of Christ…to serve in the roll, call, function, or to carry their unique cross…you know…”to do the will of Him who sent Me and to accomplish His work”…which by the way is how they are spiritually fed…that they might grow…these five ascension gifts if you will…are instrumental in the growth of the Body of Christ on the earth.

If these gifts are not openly operational in your life…personally or in others in your spiritual affinity…well that would go a long way to explain many things now wouldn’t it?

Additionally…as a reminder…”the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy”…so wherever the Holy Spirit is…the Lord Himself is…because they are one and the same…He is the Spirit of Truth…and also the One who brings forth “prophecy at His mere presence”…in that…He discloses to those indwelt with His Holy Spirit among other things…”what is to come.”

Suffice it to say…as long as the Holy Spirit is working among mankind in the earth…there are apostles, prophets, evangelist, shepherds and teachers working among the Body of Christ exactly as the Lord set forth at His ascension…and these will continue unto the maturing of the sons of God on the earth to the full stature of the Lord Yahshua Christ Himself.

This many membered corporate “Christ – Head and Body” as "one new man"…is being prepared to destroy the works of the devil for the last time in this creation…with the dragon himself ending up in the abyss.

Tatwo...:)

On 5/5/2024 at 11:23 PM, Kristina said:

I'm asking these questions as about seven or eight years ago, a man came to me claiming he was a prophet sent from God and I received a foot washing and almost immediately was given the gift of speaking in tongues. Was this man really a prophet of God...

Greetings Kristina...and a greatly belated congratulations...

I have been watching this forum since the day Kristina posted her testimony 05/06/24.

First to Kristina…for you sister it is going to be a matter of faith. Look closely at your life over the past months or years and determine where you are on your journey of spiritual discernment and maturity in Christ. Was there anyone to help you with this new grace or gift so that you could grow accordingly?

Is this a gift you desired? Now that you are gifted in this way…do you express it openly in an assembly…where there is interpretation or is it more of a “personal time” interaction with the Holy Spirit…or both?

The 4th of the “elementary principals”…or…the “doctrines of Christ”…is the laying on of hands to confirm, commission, impart, heal, deliver and so on…as the Body has need.

So yes Kristina…it is possible and likely that he was at some level a prophet sent by God…why don’t you tell us what you think some 7 or 8 years down the road? How as this grace benefitted the Body of Christ and you yourself? That would be the point…for a prophet to be sent…to build up the Body of Christ. I think this would help settle the matter for you.

Tatwo...:)

17 hours ago, 1to3 said:

what do the Balfour declaration and the federal reserve have in common?

The Balfour declaration got going when Britain conquered Jerusalem in ww1 after signing the Balfour declaration in 1917

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The reason why Israel exists. It's got little to nothing to do with the Holocaust and religion.

1to3...if I follow you and your historical posts here...you are presenting modern Israel as a fabrication of the central bank run governments and corporations...correct?

In as much as I can see what you are saying...I would tend to agree with your statement "The reason why Israel exists. It's got little to nothing to do with the Holocaust and religion." Yet it is there on the map as a nation...and as a people group.

For the Zionist founding fathers to bring forth this "reality" in and of itself...and then append it to the bible as the fulfillment of an ancient prophetic truth...you have the foundation of a deep delusion...a deep deception...and it comes with the same spirit as the Pharisee's and rulers of the Jews that murdered Yahshua.

This that you write of 1to3...is not the Kingdom of God which the Lord Yahshua told us is not of this world nor this present realm.

It is these that for a season will attack the son of God as the Body of Christ which includes its Head. However when the dragon is done with this spirit...he will throw her down...for there will be no need for her in/on his beast any longer...

Tatwo...:)

On 5/1/2024 at 6:02 PM, R. Hartono said:

Rev 11:18... and for destroying those who destroyed the earth.

The time will come that God must destroy those who destroyed this earth, who are they and what destruction they caused ? 

Is that car pollution, nuclear waste, nuclear war, LGBTQ, plastic waste, or chemtrail or terrorism, jihadist, bioweapon, weather weapon, Gain of Function, global mRna manipulation, depopulation agenda, microchip 666 etc.

I suppose one needs to understand the events preceding and simultaneously to grasp the entirety of that question/answer.

There is a lot transpiring between the heavens and the earth that leads to the destruction of the earth and to destruction of those who did it?

Basically…the “earth” is at times in Revelation symbolic of a people…”those who dwell on the earth”…”the earth helped the woman”…”Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth.” So what is the excepted meaning of the word “earth” in that context is required…in any case the “earth” is a created reality…therefore it is not eternal.

Nothing “created is eternal” and most can’t understand this because they have their own ideas about what words mean. None the less when whatever God has created has fulfilled His intention for it…it is no longer required and as such it is done away with…or however you might like to say it.

This includes people, the physical earth, and the heavens…anything that is not eternal will cease. Since God knows the end of a matter that He created…before He created it…He also knows how and when to bring it to its end…typically in judgment no less.

Suffice it to say that it is the “beast” who destroys the earth…and it will be “Christ…Head and Body” on the earth that destroys the beast.

Take it from here?

Tatwo...:)

On 5/2/2024 at 12:09 AM, Michael37 said:

It stops the paranoia when trusted in as a super-prophecy for Christians.

Michael37...

What does this actually mean?

If one fears...one fears...which is exactly what happens in the place of faith.

Tatwo...:)

14 hours ago, Neighbor said:

Seems a tad harsh don't ya think? LOL

Depends on the mind defining harsh...to the carnal mind...perhaps...to the spiritual mind no. 

What may be harsh however...is the current and future judgment of the evil that murders...and commits the deeds of the flesh in general. Although they know the ordinance of God...those who practice such things are worthy of death...and for those who support them...who are not only doing the same...but also give hearty approval to those who practice them...it is this Neighbor...which this man will endure that is harsh.

This "man"...the one professing to be wise..."he" becomes a fool...and it is "he"...who draws the unrighteous judgment of "sin and death." We know that the judgment of God rightly falls upon those who practice such things and to those who do the same themselves...but here's what's really harsh Neighbor...this "man" believes that he will escape the judgment of God...

Though they smile and laugh today...they do so due to their arrogance and unbelief...yet their account is being charged...they are found wanton..."overdrawn"...if you like...and the debt collector is near. Fear will become their god and they will hide from Lamb who sits upon the throne.

Tatwo...:)

14 hours ago, Neighbor said:

We? Got a mouse in your pocket?  LOL

The sons of God...the Body of Christ...led of the Holy Spirit..."we."

We understand why that would require explanation.

Tatwo...:)

6 hours ago, Neighbor said:

The basis for the presentation or argument seems to be built upon an error, or bluntly a lie followed in error, for one does not covet what is one's own, one cherishes and protects what God has granted one, but not covet.

Great point Neighbor…unless of course one is open to understand that what is happening…is something that is condemned by Christ Yahshua. All that we see going on in this situation can be quantified in the statement…”kill…steal and destroy.” Those of the household of God are never involved in these types of evil…they may be called to die at the hands of these dragon lead imposters…however…they will not be guilty of kill steal and destroy...because they are in need of nothing.

It is utterly contrary to the Holy Spirit in this age…who has openly spoken the righteous and holy commandments of “love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven”…additionally those “in Christ” “are to be perfect as our heavenly Father is perfect.” Murder is not the same as love or prayer for an enemy...as the Lord Yahshua is pointing out...murder in thought or deed is the sign that one is not a "son of God." 

Those who agree with or do these things are not “sons of God”…these have lost their way and…”You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. (John 8:44 NASB)

This brother killing brother we see in the Middle East is contrary to these commands…by any justification. The absolute destruction of a people…any people…”is” the mark of the dragons beast…and the proof that its image has taken its place in the minds of these men…and those in support of it…they are judged already.

It was Paul who wrote…“Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY," says the Lord.  20 "BUT IF YOUR ENEMY IS HUNGRY, FEED HIM, AND IF HE IS THIRSTY, GIVE HIM A DRINK; FOR IN SO DOING YOU WILL HEAP BURNING COALS ON HIS HEAD."  21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.” Romans 12:19-21 NASB

What we see happening in the Middle East does not reflect Christ’s instruction for His own…which bears the characteristic of… Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good…murder has never been considered good since Cain. To be contrary to these simple commands and teachings…is defined as “anti-christ” in action.

So…we see you Neighbor and the other law-keeping Christ rejecting Judaizers around here…the only ones who are fooled…are these…for they have rejected their only means of reconciliation to God…along with their fellow murders...all the while believing they are doing God a favor.

Tatwo...:)

14 minutes ago, luigi said:

Do your own research, and stop coming to me with lies

Luigi,

As you wish...friend as you wish...however...the evil deceptive spirit that brought the harshest of judgment upon Israel for the rejection of the Lord Yahshua Christ in the 1st century...the same which Paul noted in 1st Thessalonians 2 where he wrote..."God's wrath has come upon them (Jews) to the utmost."

The Lord Himself told ancient Israel...and Jerusalem "For the days will come upon you when your enemies will throw up a barricade against you, and surround you and hem you in on every side, and they will level you to the ground and your children within you, and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not recognize the time of your visitation." (Luk 19:43-44 NASB)

Clearly the Lord has delivered the most powerful judgment upon this people and their seed...and we know it is because of the "wickedness" that was in them. Though that people who were condemned by God and is long gone...that religious spirit is now stronger than it ever has been. This is the spirit that is behind the formation of zionism...a murderous, deceptive, ungodly form of governance that has the unmistakable characteristic of "kill...steal...destroy"...people like this one have been so distorted and perverted as to believe these are the attributes of a Holy and Righteous Royal Priest.

That is what you have stirred up here...something I mentioned to you in a post on another forum. The goal of this spirit is to drag you into a fight so that they get you to look and act like them...at least in their minds...it's a trick that can spring a trap...it is spiritual therefore invisible. It makes the Judaizers and law keepers feel like they have truth and power...they have neither. Vile contempt is not considered a "Truth nor a power" except in darkness.

You are right to shine the light...brightly...as you are attempting to do...I am simply reminding you to carefully proceed with this one...he is full of himself just like the Pharisee's who said..."we have no king but Caesar."  

Tatwo...:)

Continuing on...

 “But he is a Jew who is one inwardly” An unmistakable and profound change has occurred here according to Paul. “Flesh, blood, and natural lineage…i.e. Israel” are no longer the determinate factor in regards to who is a “Jew” or not. This all seems so basic…elementary…yet it remains one of the greatest enigmas.

“And circumcision is that which is of the heart” this is reference to the seat of the desires, feelings, affections, passions, impulses, or mind. I liken it to the soul…that is transformed by the renewing of the mind which is the work of the Holy Spirit…which Paul addresses next.

 “by the Spirit, not by the letter” The “letter” here is in reference to the “Law” that had a requirement for the fleshly circumcision of the male genitalia…of the natural or ethnic Jew. Paul is not saying circumcision is not an element of the “inward Jew.” He is simply showing that since the “inward Jew” is no longer a “fleshly being”…there is no need for another “fleshly being to fleshly circumcise anyone as was done according to the letter.” The principal we see here is first the natural and then the spiritual.

Now…a “spiritual Jew” is one who has a “circumcised soul or heart” which Paul describes in Colossians 2 as…”you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ.” He wrote…”the circumcision by Christ…of the heart…is the removal of the body of the flesh.” Christ is “Spirit.”

This goes with what Paul wrote in 1^st Corinthians 15 where it is recorded…”that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.”

Those who are “flesh and blood” are not eternal…and cannot enter the Kingdom of God today or ever. Those who have had the “body of flesh removed” by the Holy Spirit…are now a “spiritual member of the spiritual Kingdom of God…body of Christ” in heaven and on earth. This is because “in Christ” these are reconciled to God’s divine…pre-creation intension for them “in Christ” thus they are eternal.

Theres more...

Tatwo...:)

On 4/24/2024 at 7:21 AM, luigi said:

As a true Jew according to Paul is one who is inwardly so in their heart, and not due to heredity (Romans 2:28-29);--the formation of the land of Israel in 1948 that many individuals claim to be the gathering of the Lords people would then be inaccurate.

On 4/24/2024 at 7:21 AM, luigi said:

Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Greetings Luigi…

 This is a difficult “row to hoe” on this website…that is largely due to the reasoning of the “sons of Greece” who love the praise of men.

I intently read the entire forum…this “subject” is also of great interest to me. I can see that you maintained you’re “thought” all the way through to this point…nice job it is fresh and inspiring. You are sharing what you believe is important and necessary…the “sons of God – who love to give praise to God” understand…I assure you.

“For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly”…Spoken by one who once considered himself a “Jew outwardly”…no? The book of Romans is likely a letter to the family of God in Rome which boasted a constituency of perhaps all known nations and tribes at some point? Plainly stated…Paul changes the definition of what it means to be “Jew”…from “outwardly” or that which is observable by the eye…that which is “natural and fleshly”…to something else…

He follows that up with a contrasting reference to the fleshly Jew’s circumcision…“nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh” in reference to the “male genitalia”…here Paul is changing the definition of “circumcision” as well.

Paul a “circumcised Jew”…himself…is saying…A “Jew” is no longer a natural, physical, fleshly observable being…and it is for that reason that he continues on to say…“circumcision”…is also no longer of the natural, physical, fleshly observable being either.

Something has changed according to Brother Paul…if this change is not grasped; understood, revealed to ones spirit by the Lord Yahshua…it will remain a mystery to those whose eyes remain “veiled.”

Tatwo...:)

21 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

So...Why didn`t God cast Lucifer/Satan into the lake of Fire -

Greetings Marilyn...

These are good questions there are some very good answers here as well…thank you. The scope of this discussion entails years of direct revelation from Yahshua…or from years of love and training under an apostolic father…its deeper than most realize…so perhaps we can kick up an answer…and I will share my understanding…however only Holy Spirit enlightenment will bear the interpretation and it is available to anyone born of His seed.

Of course we all know He will…but has not yet happened because God is not done with him…the plan is not complete. I think someone in this thread mentioned this…”For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.” That speaks to the answer of your question Marylin…something that goes along with this…is…”And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast.”

Satan suffered a setback at the cross via a major loss of his power and authority…however he was not eliminated…why? The Lord Yahshua being the “Son of God” who was manifested to destroy the works of the devil…all but destroyed the works of the devil…only to let him live and recover…and recover he did.

How was this…“mortal wound”…inflicted? We know that upon His death…the Lord “descended” into the lower parts of the earth…where as He explains to John in Revelation 1 “I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.” This is likely what Paul meant when in Ephesians 4 he wrote…”Therefore He says: "WHEN HE ASCENDED ON HIGH, HE LED CAPTIVITY CAPTIVE, AND GAVE GIFTS TO MEN.”

That scene must have been amazing….think Arnold in “Terminator”…”I’ll be back.”

Simply put…”death” being when one gives up the spirit…”Hades” being the location of the souls of men prior to the Lord Yahshua’s arrival there. As Paul says in 1^st Corinthians 15 “So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: "DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP IN VICTORY." "O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR STING? O HADES, WHERE IS YOUR VICTORY?”

Perhaps the “near fatal or mortal wound” was the “Truth” that our Lord destroyed the dragon’s ability to bring death (the soul’s separation from God) via sin…and the subsequent captivity of that soul via Hades…to…”the spirits of just men made perfect.”

However the Son of God does not complete the destruction of the dragon or his beast at that time…Satan clearly loses his “former grip on death and Hades”…when it comes to those “in Christ” who cease in the flesh. Once those in Christ have completed their journey…their spirit goes back to God where it came from…the body goes into the earth…and the soul goes to God…not Hades.

Satan suffered a debilitating handicap at the hands of the Lord of glory…but was not destroyed…why? There is plenty of light on this forum for this endeavor…however something that caught my attention is when “Know Jah” posted this…”I think there must be a deeper reason why God didn't just kill off Satan and Adam/Eve immediately.” She then references "Job"…that connection resonates loudly to me…more than I care to share here.

Yet before us...future speaking..is the fulfillment of the “prophetic mandate” for the “seed of the woman…the Son of God…Christ” to “crush the head of the seed of the serpent…the son of Satan…beast…therein bruising His heel”…or as Brother John said it…that He might destroy the works of the devil. One must understand the definition of the seed of the serpent in order have a deeper view into this scenario.

“He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.” (1^st John 3:8-9 NKJV)

As one can see…”sin or the works of the devil” is the reason that “Son of God” was made manifest…[your question Marilyn] now we see John write…”whoever has been born of God does not sin”…who is that? Why it’s the “Son of God”…who else? Well in order to understand this…one must note that the reference to the “Son of God” is ”whoever has been born of God…[He who]…does not sin” this is no longer then in reference to the Lord Yahshua only…why?

John explains it this way…“For His [God] seed remains in him”…meaning that these are the “sons of God.” John does not stop there…he further states… he [the seed/sons of God] cannot sin…this means right now! How is it that the “Son of God” on the earth right now “cannot sin”…? Because “he has been born of God”…the only way to defeat the devil is to not fall into his trap which produces “sin” which only the Son of god has/can do.

This son…being referred to here by John the apostle…is “Christ”…Head and Body…alive on the earth…today and since Pentecost following the ascension…He is growing and maturing…and again future speaking...He will destroy the works of the devil…not the devil…only his seed or offspring…in this age. I’ll leave it there for the discernment of all…though it is but a snapshot.

Tatwo...:)

12 hours ago, luigi said:

What I am seeing on some YouTube videos, is that many nations economies are on the brink of collapse (Argentina and China, among others). While the U.S. is currently not in this predicament;--when a number of these other nations economies collapse, exports from the U.S. to these collapsed economies will then also collapse, thereby putting the US economy on a much worse footing. As such, I then believe that todays current economic woes are a precursor to tomorrows new world order of the beast. 

I completely agree Luigi...you are speaking in truth brother...however...the U.S. "is also" in this current predicament...the mainstream media and the utterly censored social or alternative media...are hiding it Brother...they are hiding it...and the good old U.S of A is fixen to to experience something that has never happened and it will be multi level when it happens....birth pangs on a woman in labor...

While the world and the religious say...that conspiracy stuff on YouTube ain't real Luigi...lets go back to fighting about the righteousness of Israel as they do to Gaza what was apparently done to them by Hitler...only worse...and wait for the Lord to deliver us from any sacrifice we might be asked to make...and take us to heaven.

You are right Luigi...collapse is upon the nations...I added the U.S...the economy of the beast is pressing those who "dwell on the earth"...for those who dwell in heaven...they have been given their own economy...its called the Kingdom of God.

Does anyone hear the Lord today?

Tatwo...:)

On 5/2/2020 at 2:58 PM, Eddy Crocker said:

This is just a manifestation of the Way of Cain being manifested by his father the first Adam. This mark of the beast is the Adamic nature manifested by Adam and Eve when they partook of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Well "said" Eddy...

The truly bizarre reality accompanying the idea that the mark is physical or it is not here yet also says that the beast is not here yet. The concept of the realm of the invisible simply must be revealed by the Holy Spirit.

Redd..:)

On 4/19/2024 at 11:22 PM, Sower said:

The call to share the good news as we heard ourselves.
It came from some faithful brother/sister who took the time to talk to us about God, sin, salvation, and the freedom in Christ.

What is the “good news”…and what exactly does it mean to “share” it? If that in deed is what is happening…then it “would” produce what Paul testifies to have happened when he was doing it?

Does anyone here see anything close…today?

On 4/19/2024 at 11:22 PM, Sower said:

Why do most listen to the enemy's lies/deceptions that they can't share, embarrassed/shame. Lies. Deceptions.

I am attempting to answer that here Sower…there is little to none…qualified spiritual “fatherhood” among the church today. The church is run by orphans today…the orphans are leading it astray because they do not have a “Father” with which to identify as a “Son!”…nor do they have an access to an inheritance in their father…he is a liar.

Tatwo...:)

On 4/19/2024 at 11:22 PM, Sower said:

I witnessed a large lack of concern from members back then to share what scripture encourages us, to spread the gospel.
Most say they were not called to preach. Pew sitters. Comfortable. No desire to simply share their own testimony to the lost.

Exactly…well did anyone expect? No apostles, few prophets, congregations and gatherings run by “shepherds”…the “leadership team” is void the essential “gifting, callings, anointing's”…that produce the effectual manifestations of the actual person of Truth…the presence of the Holy Spirit of the living God…dwelling in His house…?

The picture you paint here Brother Sower is not that house…and there is only one reason why.

On 4/19/2024 at 11:22 PM, Sower said:

I'm no preacher for sure. But I prayed that I never get that comfortable. God answered that prayer.

My call is the same as everybody who was lost and then was saved. They heard the gospel and believed.

Yes…while that is an incontrovertible truth…we must consider that when viewed from Paul’s depiction of the…“Body…that is to mature”…the step you are referring to here…”lost to saved”…is the “initial” step…the “beginning” step…as a “new born infant” in the Father of creations house. We are not “born again” as “mature sons” any more the Yahshua Christ was born as a fully mature son.

Tatwo...:)

On 4/19/2024 at 11:22 PM, Sower said:

As to my call I'd say it changes (I believe)  according to my growth in Christ.
From called to repentance/salvation, called to become a husband/father, and member of a body of believers.
Growing in the word, called to be a carpenter, and the call to be a help through my craft to those in some need I could fill.

40+ yrs ago I went on my first visitation and witnessed my first stranger accept Christ as savior and profess Jesus as Lord.
I've maintained that urgency/call to share the good news to anybody any place any time any way.

I understand you here…to some degree it shows where you are…may I ask how you feel about “specific or unique” calls, gifts and manifestations in relationship to the Body of Christ?

I am thinking about what Paul wrote concerning the subject in at least a couple of places. 1^st Corinthians 12 and Ephesians 4 where he specifies the operation and differentiation in…gifts, calls, and or manifestations…that are in “direct service” to the Body of Christ.

Consider 1^st Corinthians 12:4-7 for example…”Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. There are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons.  But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good.”

Things like…words of wisdom, knowledge…then there is faith, healing, miracles, prophecy, discerning of spirits, various tongues and interpretations…and there are more. The picture here as portrayed by Paul the apostle…is the Body of Christ being likened to a living and functioning organism…”A living Body.”

It must have been a monumental priority for Paul in his journey, teaching and work.

In Ephesians 4 he again calls out the specific “gifts” the Lord left to His Body at His ascension…apostles, prophets, evangelist, shepherds, teachers…and these are said to be “for” the Body…”our” equipping and building up until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.

Paul writes things like…”we are to no longer to be like children” and that we are to speak the truth in love…we are to grow up [spiritual maturity] in all aspects into Him who is the head, even Christ.

It is in this…that the Head…Yahshua…the Holy Spirit…builds or “assembles” the whole body…which is being fitted and held together by what every joint supplies…according to the proper working of each individual part, causes the growth of the body for the building up of itself in love. It’s a picture of the typical biological “birth to maturity” reality as I see it.

How important to the Lord might it be for each one of His children/sons to know, understand, live and grow in to a “mature man” in His…the Lords “unique and divine intention” for them? How important might that be for each one of the “sons of God” to do the same? That is the picture Paul paints here of the “Body of Christ here on the earth”…is it not?

If it has changed…where do I find the authority that has conferred this change? I can see that there has been a change…Sower you well know…huge change…by that I mean…where do you or anyone on these forums see “Paul’s version of Body” in action in your/their life? If you do/are… are you living there? I rarely if ever hear anything about that early style “church” today…why...why? I know why…none seem to care…but wasn’t that the point of the prophecy of the…“apostasy?”

Tatwo...:)

On 4/19/2024 at 11:22 PM, Sower said:

I reckon my destiny (a predetermined state or end)  is in God's hands.
"For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works,
which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them”  (Ephesians 2:8-10)

Greetings Sower...

Sure…that is a definition of “destiny or end.” However Sower…the verse you quote states we are “His workmanship” doesn’t that reflect His vision…interaction…instruction…involvement desire…love…intimacy…personally in our existence? Not merely a predetermined state or end that begins and then is left to run its own course? Let me try to explain…  

Later you state…”Growing in the word, called to be a carpenter, and the call to be a help through my craft to those in some need I could fill.”

Sower…I am being somewhat ambiguous perhaps typical here if you will…general even…let’s look at the idea of “workmanship” and consider for a moment the “thing” that you as a “carpenter” may be “putting your hand or craft” to…“building/constructing”…for example…including anything you do.

At some point early on in the project “perhaps” prior to even beginning it…in your mind’s eye there is a “blue print…picture…vision…idea or concept” of some sort…that likely gives you a place to start…with some element of the end result in view…it may include some goals or objectives along the way…and perhaps some element or vision of the completed “project”…can you relate?

So there is some degree of the completed picture of the project that evolves in your mind that guides you through the unique steps of your “craft or skill set.” Where to begin…how to proceed…when to adjust…etc…you know what you are doing and trying to achieve and are driving at that in the duration of the project…and this based upon your skill set and passion…can we think of that as “workmanship?”

If you are working for a “client” who wishes to utilize your skill and craft you must connect with them as to their expectation of the outcome. Then you…as the craftsman who’s “workmanship” will determine the final result…will be tasked with providing the vision…steps…process…answers…initially verbally…and it will be based upon “your” understanding of what “you” can do…what you ultimately do and see as the final result…no?

My overstated point is this…Brother Sower…you…as the “craftsman”…will walk with your “client” step by step…closely interacting all along the journey with your “idea” of the project…focusing on what you perceive as a “shared and desired outcome” of the same.

While you are driving at that completed fulfillment…that is to become the end product of this partnership and endeavor…that will be “your workmanship.”

Bro…you know the process…a successful journey to completion is the key to a successful outcome…its via interaction…give and take, change, mistake, learning, overcoming, relationship, excellence, desire, conviction and so on.

What I am saying is…”HIS Workmanship” is like that…only “HE is the craftsman” our destiny is HIS project…and He is as involved with us…as you are with the theoretical “client” I was speaking of above.

Tatwo...:)

16 hours ago, Koneckey said:

I would ask a question how this going for you? What is your call? What is your destiny?

Friend...that is a large request really…altogether too big for right now…

I feel like it is going well Koneckey…thanks for asking…I take that opinion from my Lord, family and friends.

My call…? It’s been a “process” I see as happening something like this…my first “call” is to be “reconciled to God” and become a “son of God” by being called out of the kingdom of darkness and in obedience to His Word I was “born again of the water and Spirit.”  Abba Father...I liken that to being “saved or rescued”…and then being placed in the Body of Christ…or temple/house of God. It is here that I find my purpose or as you asked “call.”

That’s “salvation” as I define it…”changing fathers”…as I say from time to time…saved from the condemnation of the dragon and the wages of sin. It is an excellent experience afforded me and each of His sons…made available by the "Royal Priest" Himself.

At that point I was a spiritual “infant”…you know excitedly bouncing around in the Kingdom of God in a state of “new birth excitement.” I have grown substantially in my spiritual maturity along the lines of what I have said prior…and have gained an even greater excitement...typically tempered with a deeper grace.

Over time I “grew” a bit in the excitement of my new salvation experience…which included a fantastic miraculous physical healing I might add…the Lord grabbed my attention and began to show me the initial stages of who “He sees me as”…or who “He created me to be”…in Him…you know…that “eternal pre-creation intention” He has for me…the good works, which God prepared beforehand so that “I” would walk in them. I was apprehending these and beginning to learn obedience.

Think for a moment Koneckey…the scenario of the Lord at the well in Sychar…when the disciples show up asking Him if He is hungry and He says this in response…"My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me and to accomplish His work.” Again this speaks to the uniqueness or peculiarity of His “predestined call.”

He knows He is the only begotten of the Father…the savior of humanity…the Lamb of God…which by the way…He would be the only one…ever…with that "specific call"…He knows what He has been sent here for…and while He is on the earth He is set on doing exactly what the will of His Father was for Him…He overcame everything…unto its "utter" accomplishment and fulfillment.

He is who I see as my example you know…I am not there yet…however I am ever learning to do His will and to an increasing degree accomplishing His works...so that “I” may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.

Three months after I was “born of the water and Spirit” I was headed to the prisons of Southern California where I became a prison chaplain in three prison systems…and for the next 7 years I worked with 100’s criminals guilty of every offense and endless prison staff. It was early on in this venture that I realized that the Lord Yahshua Christ was clearly “reconciling” me to His “specific divine predestined” call.

Inmates, guards, friends everyone in those 3 prison's and its environments learned of God's eternal passion for them...the manifest presence of the Holy Spirit was obvious to most. There were physical healings...souls were delivered of demonic spirits and emotions...100's of baptisms...and many son's were born unto our God in those days. There were a number of "assemblies" that came forth from that "work."

I must not neglect to mention that my wife of nearly 40 years now...was right with me in all of this and she more than held up her end of the work.

Reconciled to Him as my Father thus experiencing “salvation”…then being allowed to mature some…in my new “house with my new Father”…then being reconciled to “His personally desired will for my life” and the ever increasing illumination of how I was to accomplish these works. Salvation and then reconciliation to my call in that order…

I’ll leave it at that for now and watch to see what responses you get…this should be interesting.

Tatwo...:)

16 hours ago, Koneckey said:

As I stated that I am working on being raised up in my call and destiny in my father’s house.

Nice…thanks for sharing…I am sure others will ask this also…”what is your call and destiny in your Father’s house?”

Tatwo...:)

Greetings Koneckey,

16 hours ago, Koneckey said:

I believe that we are in the end of the age where Yahshua is building up his body in the full stature of Christ the head himself.

I agree that we are in the “end of the age”…and it is interesting that you connect that with the Lord building up His Body into the “full stature” of who He Himself is…Paul wrote this…“a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.” That is a “Truth” that not many people grasp…I would say. That leaves one in perpetual spiritual immaturity…where in their minds…they believe that "mere tenure"…equals growing up in maturity into the Head. That's how they do it in church I have seen that.

There are a fair amount of those in “oversight” here on “worthy” who are responding to you…I am sure we will get some “mature” insight from them. I’ll take a crack at your request here as well…

16 hours ago, Koneckey said:

Paul also explained that we have these good works that we should walk in that God created beforehand.

That’s true…in Ephesians 2 he states as you did…”We are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.” We are predestined in Christ from before the foundations of creation…awesome…that speaks to our eternal nature in the Spirit.

Additionally in 1^st Corinthians 12:18 Paul wrote…”God has placed the members, each one of them, in the body, just as He desired”…think about that…”placed each one of them…in the body…just as He desired.” Speaks to intimacy really…and individuality uniqueness or even peculiarity. Now when you add that He called us “beforehand” one can feel the eternal Love of the Father…talk about destiny.

Tatwo...:)

18 hours ago, Neighbor said:

Humans  receive information  with all five senses (Plus one). To not utilize knowledge of that ability to reach humans with communication by utilizing all five is to miss the mark by far.

Everything absolutely everything is important in gaining attention and keeping it, including the temperature of a room.

This is one of those cases where I really cannot discern the nature of your intent...are you saying the Lord requires people to be comfortable so HE can get some "word" in them...or are you being facetious? 

Tatwo...:)

On 4/16/2024 at 2:46 AM, Neighbor said:

Worship to me is singing praise of God, prayer is also praise and a crying out for one another before God, while a teaching or reading of the word is for edification through the understanding of it perhaps by the Holy Spirit's influence.

Neighbor…this “worship” you speak of here and I am including your prior descriptions as you have stated  “weekly corporate worship service”…“Worship is…as…serious business” is really “Judaistic” or perhaps “Catholic/Protestant/Evangelical/Pagan” as your description appears in my mind.

I mean no offence…the picture your painting as I am seeing it…from your words in this post…looks like a “form of” typical ancient/modern temple worship…right? Think of worshippers going to the “temple/church/synagogue/building/edifice” and engaging in whatever and however they worship typically.

How relevant to this discussion is Paul’s writing in Romans 12:1 for example where he explains “service of worship”…as they are translated from the same Greek word G2999 “latreia” defined as “divine service of worship”…let’s see what Paul wrote here…I think it fits…and may be helpful to us as we proceed in this endeavor?

“Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship.”

Here the apostle Paul describes the “spiritual service of worship”…some of the very things you have brought forth here Neighbor…as “presenting your bodies as a living holy sacrifice.” What is that but a consecrated to God…week by week, day by day, hour by hour, minute by minute, breath by breath, thought by thought lifestyle…of sacrificing ones “personal desire” for their life…to the Holy Spirit…that He may “live His eternal life through us?” Which incidentally…would be the only way that our “living sacrifice” would be “accepted by God.”

Typically people think of “sacrifice” as in the case of something that dies…however this speaks of one who is yet “alive…living…who’s existence is upon the alter in the most holy place in the temple of God…right?

In Paul’s depiction of our “spiritual service of worship” we are to lay down our personal desires and ambitions…there’s the death required in sacrifice…receive our “unique call” from God in Christ…and in this allow the Holy Spirit to transform our mindsets from the “kingdom of darkness” to the “Kingdom of God” so that we may be able to “prove” what the “good acceptable and perfect will of God is”…agreed?

This proving would be through our living and lifestyle…all of it. Which is what the Lord did prior to His delivery of that amazing picture on the mountain that day…no? Now we can see why you so passionately stated…oh yeh I felt you bro…“If my Lord's talk at the Mount is indeed a sermon, I don't think I have heard another from any pastor preacher priest in my lifetime that is anything like it.”

I am not saying that corporate assemblies or gatherings are unacceptable…no I do not see them as such…however neither can they be defined as “spiritual service of worship”…to the Lord…in and of themselves. There is so much more to this…I’ll leave it here for now.

Tatwo...:)

On 4/16/2024 at 2:46 AM, Neighbor said:

I think that my own mind has a negative reaction to the word sermon. Sermon to me is I think more quickly thought  of  as that second definition a tedious and stern lecture of scoldings. While it seems to me the reading of the word of God is nothing at all like that.

I can relate...however when these hirelings read from the scriptures it is the same as sermonizing to me because…one…most of them are not called nor qualified to divide the words of righteousness. Two…they typically are not living the life as described by the Lord on the mount that day. He bore the “Image and likeness of God”…the typical sermonizer does not…this bodes poorly for its hearers.

Tatwo...:)