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The problem is, I don’t agree with what you say the word of God is saying..we are at different levels of understanding.and no one can work to become Born Again of the Spirit ,it’s an act of God.

The problem is if I may say, you have been forcing your belief onto me, I haven’t done that to you.i have never doubted my faith from day one, it just keeps getting stronger and stronger, because faith is a gift that only God can give. I don’t understand the word of God like you believe you do ...as we are on a very different level of understanding...you also said we should stop our discussion as we will “ never” agree over what God’s word is saying.

I have already explained to you, I only listen to the Living word of God who testifies the truth of Gods word to my spirit.no man can teach me Gods word, only God can do that, via the Holy Spirit I am his sheep and his sheep know his voice, they run from a strangers voice...I was Born Again exactly the way that Jesus was explaining to Nicodemus..the Holy Spirit is like the wind..you never know when he is going to Baptise you in the Spirit, that is how I was Born Again 100% I can never deny the Living word of God. Are you going to continue, you did say it was best we stopped discussion...because we are clearly on a very different level of understanding....

No it doesn’t, the Holy Spirit testified with my spirit that I am Gods child..as he was in dwelling me...Born Again of the Spirit, which is the Living word of God His seed. Please explain this scripture? Romans 8 King James Version 8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. 12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. 18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. 20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, 21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. 24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? 25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it. 26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. 28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. 31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. 34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. 37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. 38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Faith is a gift from God, a manifestation of the Spirit...I have God given Faith that can and has moved mountains. 1 Corinthians 12:7-11 KJV But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; to another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; to another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: but all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will Are we going to end this discussion..in agreeing to disagree?

Believing in Jesus comes straight from God..he is the one who brings us to believe in Jesus. We receive the Spirit by being Born Again of the Spirit. i thought you wanted to end our discussion. Im sorry, and can only speak as the Spirit leads me to speak. I will never in a million years change my testimony...God brought me to believe and he gave me the gift of Faith..a manifestation of the Spirit.

@Your closest friendnt..,my observation of your posts, if I may say..your heart is very open to the word of God. It’s wonderful to read!!..Praise God and keep that heart of yours open...let’s seek his truth together, with our open hearts,xoxoxo.

Well said.Brother.words of truth.i will never deny the way I became Born Again....all Glory to God my friend......imo, oxo

Your post makes perfect sense to me Brother. As long as we know we are Born Again, I have no need to question others, as I’m very secure in my Faith, as it was God given...Praise God, my friend...xoxo

Yes, and this is the only part I understand in the Spirit...as I was Born Again like the wind, I hadn’t a clue that the Holy Spirit was about to Baptise me in the Spirit, when he did as he was in dwelling me, the Spirit testified with my spirit that I was God’s child...beautiful and pure ...

Sorry, if I posted the wrong scripture. This scripture you post above makes no sense to me...I can only understand the scripture that Jesus explains to Nicodemus how we become Born Again....like the wind...the Holy Spirit is like the wind you never know when he will Baptise us in the Spirit.

We must be Born Again to enter Gods Kingdom..which is his spiritual realm, we are his adopted children.. I start being led through God’s word after I became Born Again, so no contradiction. The Holy Spirit reveals Gods truth through Jesus, believe in the name of Jesus, which God brings us to believe in his Name. Again, I was brought to believe in Jesus by God....only the name of Jesus and being Born Of the Spirit can save us from eternal damnation...

Yes. we need to move on as I will never agree with you on what Jesus is explaining to Nicodemus, My opinion...you can’t believe from the heart without the Spirit testifying with our spirit that we are Gods children...our faith and belief comes from God...sorry...best we move on again I think.

No, I don’t agree with that, he testified to “ my” spirit..our,me,I...as he was in dwelling me that I was his child/ Born Again, I too have posted scripture, I will post it again We are brought to believe in Jesus, we are given the gift of Faith, which is a manifestation of the Spirit...I have already posted scripture to you on this...my faith is Alive in my heart, because faith is a gift from God.

We must believe in Jesus, without God bringing me to believe in Jesus there would be no rebirth I received the Holy Spirit the way I have explained it many times,..I am under grace I am not under the law. With respect, I don’t understand the rest of your post...I can only believe the way God brought me to believe...which I have explained many times on this thread.

Of course he draws us to Jesus, he brings us to repentance/Godly sorrow and he brought me to believe in Jesus..how would I have known to do that, having never read a Bible until after I became Born Again? y our drawing to Jesus for me looking back, was a very long and agonising process, as in I suffered much emotional abuse in my life... once God brought me to believe in Jesus, I was Born of the Spirit just like Jesus explains to Nicodemus..I received the gift of Faith a manifestation of the Spirit..that is in my heart...Amazing Faith ,mind blowing Faith, that takes root and grows, why, because it was the seed of God His Living word that was planted in my heart/Spirit....I became Born Again as I’ve explained many, many times ,just as Jesus explained to Nicodemus. Freegrace testimony I don’t understand either I can’t relate to it, the same as he can’t relate to mine. should one be forced to believe as he does, that’s what he’s been doing to me....is that allowed? Hes been forcing me to believe as he does...I can’t I can only believe as God brought me to believe..

I have already explained how I was Born Again, maybe I need to leave , if you keep questioning me over how I was Born Again..as it doesn’t fit in with your description of how one is Born Again...was there something wrong with my other two replies?..that haven’t been approved? Only believe in Jesus that God brought me to, and then if God decides to bring us to becoming Born Again ...as in, Spirit gives birth to spirit. There is no rebirth without believing in Jesus, which I already explained God brought me to believe in Jesus. No one can force me to believe what they believe it’s unfair and it’s bullying..you aren’t understanding my testimony, I don’t understand yours, but, I certainly don’t bully you over it.as seems to be happening to me on this thread. im being forced to believe @Free grace...is forcing his belief onto me, that’s not of God...

10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, 11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth There is nothing here that I understand how we are Born Again, imo...you may well believe that is how one become Born Again . Im afraid I don’t,,,.The Holy Spirit is like the wind...

That is your opinion of what Jesus was saying to Nicodemus,I disagree with your opinion. The Holy Spirit speaks to our heart/spirit, his word isn’t complicated and very easy to understand..but, not until the Holy Spirit brings Gods word to our understanding and truth...scripture is revealed to our heart and is revealed to our spirit all in God’s timing.we are led through the Bible by the Holy Spirit..

Sorry, God told Nicodemus how we are Born Again , the Holy Spirit is like the wind , you can’t see him and you can’t see where he is going, therefore those who are Born of the Spirit, never know when he will baptise them in the Spirit..that’s exactly what that scripture is saying...I wouldn’t force you to read it...but, I can’t deny the word of God. i also wouldn’t know how to put my trust in Jesus without God bringing me to believe in Jesus..God did all the initiating...God did it all ,all glory goes to,God,I was given the faith from God to know that he is a living Spirit, the gift of Faith ,the Holy Spirit is Gods witness...he is the one who testifies the truth and understanding of God’s word to our heart/spirit.

The thing is though Debp, I wasn’t Born Again by reading God’s word and I can only go by Gods word that he speaks to my heart..my testimony is scriptural, yet, many disagree with my testimony, that’s fine..I can’t be told by others how to be Born Again...I know how I was Born Again of the Spirit and it can never be erased from my heart/ spirit..I hope you understand this @Debp....I had a mind blowing rebirth..that God revealed himself to me via his Spirit.he testified with my spirit that I was his child.that blew my mind. We have eternal security once we have been Born Again of imperishable seed..that is my belief.

As you know I was Born Again never reading a Bible..as the Holy Spirit was in dwelling me he testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children, ( he speaks to our spirit as in us ,me, I) I know you don’t believe that..that’s fine...after I became Born Again..I went straight out and bought a Bible, as I never knew how this process happened..God led me straight to the story that Jesus explains to Nicodemus...made 100% perfect sense to me, as Jesus was talking of spiritual matters, that Nicodemus couldn’t possibly understand, only those who have been Born of the Spirit could understand what Jesus was explaining to Nicodemus. Becoming Born Again for me was a very long process, becoming Born of the Spirit/ Born Again happens very naturally I knew it was the Holy Spirit and wasn’t scared, I received the gift of Faith ,God given Faith the most precious gift one can have ,why, because it was God’s Living seed that was planted into my heart, which, because it came from God, my faith has grown and flourishes..and continues to do so....that is my testimony and belief and can never be removed from my heart, because it came from Gods Living word, his seed.

Hello FreeGrace..no it’s not..i can only go by my becoming Born Again of the Spirit. The only way I believe when one is truly saved from eternal damnation, is when they have become Born Again of imperishable seed...nothing else makes sense to me. im not saying you are wrong, I just don’t understand being saved that way.

Yes, I was brought up in a very dysfunctional family, ( emotional abuse) this is what can happen in a family that is in the world, ...my family needed God in their lives, I’m not sure if my mother or father came to know the Lord before they died. Thank you for sharing, an insightful post and topic,xoxo.

I’m so happy those mice bring him joy, I pray that the Lord one day will bring him joy to his heart. Thank you for sharing @Debp...it was a joy to watch and a joy to see that those mice gave the dear gentleman happiness and joy,xoxoxo.

Would you all agree that we are unable to grow in Gods Love, if we still want to hold on to our old mindset? i believe God has set me free this morning from my old mindset and I know I will be tested,,,if that truth of God’s word has penetrated deep into my heart/ spirit....the enemy will NEVER be able to get me to act out in the old mindset again? Does anyone agree with this? What say you @Starise? or should that be “ Chewbacca” hehehe,lol,xoxo