St. John

I did not say God heals everyone. I said that it is God's will that all are healed. There is a difference. Remember in Jesus home town. He went there with the same healing power in which He healed ALL who were sick and diseased, but He COULDN"T do it there, because of THEIR UNBELIEF. Yes there are roadblocks to healing, but you know what? None of them are God's fault. He is the healer. We have access to that healing. We are either healed or not, but it is never God's fault. Jesus already did it. Now it is up to us. And you falsely assume that I shut my eyes to reality. I don't bu t I do walk by faith and not by sight. Maybe you have forgotten how to do that, but I have not. And healing verses are not taken out of context. You could do yourself a favor and look at healing in the context of the whole bible, from Genisis to Revelation. Then you can come and tell me where someone went to God, with faith and was not healed. Ok?

I agree with you. I never wanted this to be a debate. I don't understand why anyone would come in here and try to talk a person out of their healing. Tatie needs blessing and uplifting words of love and encouragement. Tatie, if there were no other words in the bible for which you could believe that God wants to heal you, but this one verse, it would be enough. That verse is "Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth." Mark 9:23 All things are possible. Well that would include healing, would it not? If you can believe? Well, of course we can believe. Believing is not a hard thing to do. Especially when it comes to our God. Do we ever have any good reason to doubt Him. No. The devil is the author of doubt, and when those words of doubt and fear enter your head, don't let then take seed in your heart. The bible says to cast down imaginations and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God. And bring every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ. In other words when worries and fears pop into your head and it is contrary to the word of God, then you know it is of the devil. Then you cast them down and out of your head. Don't let them take root in your heart. And then replace those thought with God's thoughts. Renew your mind by the word of God. ... whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.Philippians 4:8. Just a simple "No devil you are a liar. Lord Jesus, I bring those thoughts into captivity, and I replace them with your word. Thank you Jesus "your word says 'by whose stripes we were healed'" "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. And no matter what, I believe your word, O God, and I will worship you with all the love in my heart.

His Son, I agree with you on these matters. Healing should not even need to be discussed except for the fact that denominations and ministers have been bringing in all sorts of unGodly theology. All this does is cause people to doubt God's word on healing. But the opponents of healing for all think that we should not be getting peoples hopes up, or giving them false hope. And when you give a person NO hope then the soul despairs and the body suffers as well. Even so called 'false hope' would be better than NO hope at all. If doctors told there patients that instead of six months to live that there is a good chance that they will get better and live a long life, that hope alone even if it were only true in .01% of cases would affect the outcome of their health for the better. But no, doctors set a death sentence of six months and faith comes by hearing and so does fear! They give no hope, and that alone is a killer. Now when it comes to divine healing there should be no argument. Jesus heals, period. You can lay hands on the sick and they will recover, period. James said to go to the elders and the prayer of faith will save the sick, period. Unfortunately, all the elders put together, in most of these churches that doubt God's word on healing, don't have faith the size of a grain of mustard seed combined. Because faith comes by hearing. And if all you are hearing about healing is "maybe God will and maybe He won't", then there is no faith produced.

Healing is provided. It is the childrens bread. It would appear that we (religious America) are trying to change the word of God in order to fit our experiences. This is how denominations form. People believe what they want to believe out of the word and then to protect their version of the truth they call it a name. I'm Pentecostal, or I'm Baptist. This is what "I" believe. If you believe like me you can be a Baptist, too. And every denomination believes that they have a lock on the truth. I choose to believe the Word of God instead of what some denomination believes the word of God says. They are all wrong in some way or the other. But the word of God is so simple that we would need help to misunderstand it. Well, we have had plenty of help misunderstanding the word thanks to seminaries. Someone learned the bible wrong, started a school where they could teach it wrong to thousands of preachers, who then go out and teach it wrong to whole congregations. Then they try and teach it wrong to people on forums. No thanks, I'll just believe the WHOLE word of God. No denominations, no seminaries, just the word from Genisis to revelation and the Holy Spirit teaching and revealing.

Every time you are confronted by the truth of scripture, you dismiss it and come up with some way to explain it away. I have heard ALL of these excuses to doubt God's word before. I am just glad you were not around to help talk me out of my healing when I decided to believe God's word and receive His healing. You still think that someones experience( "even faith healer's get sick and die") changes the word of God. No way. They could all get sick and that would not change God's word, would it? It still says "I am the Lord who healeth thee" and "All things are possible to him that believes" So thank you, for all your "wisdom" concerning healing, but I choose to believe God's word, instead. Thank you Lord for healing me. Not because I had some special revelation from you confirming that I was one of the ones you "decided to heal", but because your word says so. Jesus was brutally beaten for our healing and I receive your healing by faith. I discern your body. Many who do not are sick. and even die because they do not discern your body. It is sad that your people refuse knowledge. Your people perish for lack of knowledge your word says. May you grant them revelation knowledge of your word on healing, the eyes of their understanding enlightened to know the inheritance of God in Christ and to know the power of God. In the mighty, matchless name of Jesus, Amen

And so you don't believe that the message of salvation is just as valid today? Don't you think that the message is just as important today as it was 2000 years ago? I do. That is why God still validates His word today with signs and wonders and miracles. Tens of thousands of healing miracles in T.L Osborns ministry of 50+ years. He has seen the opening of blind eyes and deaf mutes healed and cripples walk and creative miracles and the raising of the dead. But do you know why? Because He preaches it right. There is no Gospel of Unbelief in his message. And He firmly states that when the crowds here this simple gospel truths and that Jesus is just as willing to heal today, as He was two thousand years ago, the masses of people are healed. When he stands before the people, T.L preaches "God made your eyes to see and God made your ears to here. He doesn't want you crippled or bowed over. He wants your eyes to see, and He wants your ears to hear."

I guess the Apostle Paul was wrong to heal the sick and raise the dead, because according to your THEOLOGY we all need to get sick and die in pain anyway. The people are thronging Jesus and some men see a woman crawling on the ground. One says"what are you doing woman" and She says "If I could just touch the hem of His garment, I will be healed" The other man says"don't waste your time, healing is not for everyone. Jesus couldn't even heal the folks in His own home town. And His disciples failed to heal a boy earlier. Jesus did it for them. Of course that time it must have been God's will for that boy. But it's not for all. You need a special revelation from God as to who He wills to heal and whom He wills to remain poor, sick dying and broke." No different than our modern day "bible scholars", just totally missing the forest of healing for all of the trees. And hey, her doctors were just as good as our M.D.'s today. She got to spend all her money and still remain sick.

Some people choose to use human reasoning and life experiences in order to put God's word in prospective. That is what the 10 spies did-They gave an evil report. I stand with Joshua and Caleb and simply believe God's word. Therefor the promises in the word and answered prayer and healing work for me. That is all there is to it folks. You all could use the same child like faith.

Objection: Jesus bore our sorrows and griefs, not our sicknesses and pains, on the cross Good grief! Someone hasn't spent any time with a concordance. Most Bibles published today have a margin note that the literal translations of the Hebrew words used for "sorrows" and "griefs" in Isaiah 53:4 are "sicknesses" and "pains." Therefore, the correct translation of that verse is, "Surely he hath borne our sicknesses, and carried our pains." This is an obvious conclusion to anyone who takes the time to study it out. It is not a way of trying to make this verse say something it does not say or rewrite the Bible. You do not need a concordance to figure out that Isaiah 53:4 should be translated as shown above. Simply read Matthew 8:16-17! Do you suppose the Holy Spirit could interpret his prophecy correctly? Matthew plainly says that Isaiah said that Jesus "took our infirmities and bare our sicknesses." The fulfillment of this prophecy is cited at an event where Jesus healed all that were sick! So there is absolutely no question that Isaiah was talking about illnesses here. "Healing" people of sorrows and griefs as we normally define them would not have been fulfilled by the healing of the sick. In the case of griefs, it is utterly ridiculous to maintain that Jesus redeemed us from all forms of grief, because the Holy Spirit himself can be grieved, as shown by Ephesians 4:30: "And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption." Peter tells us that we will have to endure grief, even after Jesus' atonement, in 1 Peter 2:19: "For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully." Peter says a few verses later that you were healed, but he makes it clear that Jesus did not relieve you of all griefs in this life! Therefore, the word griefs in Isaiah 53:4 cannot refer to this kind of grief. If you're convinced already that this objection is corny (and you should be), you can stop reading here. If you think you need more proof, here are some facts to save you some study time and/or the price of a good concordance: Griefs defined Let's look at the other places where the same Hebrew word (Strong's #2483) translated griefs in Isaiah 53:4 is used in the Old Testament: "And the LORD will take away from thee all sickness, and will put none of the evil diseases of Egypt, which thou knowest, upon thee; but will lay them upon all them that hate thee." -- Deuteronomy 7:15. "Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the LORD bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed." -- Deuteronomy 28:61. "The son of the woman, the mistress of the house fell sick; and his sickness was so sore, that there was no breath left in him" -- 1 Kings 17:17. "And Ahaziah fell down through a lattice in his upper chamber that was in Samaria, and was sick: and he sent messengers, and said unto them, Go, enquire of Baal-zebub the god of Ekron whether I shall recover from this disease." -- 2 Kings 1:2. "Shall I recover of this disease?" -- 2 Kings 8:8. "Shall I recover of this disease?" -- 2 Kings 8:9. "Now Elisha was fallen sick of the sickness whereof he died..." -- 2 Kings 13:14. "And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease was exceeding great: yet in his disease he sought not to the LORD, but to the physicians." -- 2 Chronicles 16:12. "And thou shalt have great sickness by disease of thy bowels, until thy bowels fall out by reason of the sickness day by day...the LORD smote him with an incurable disease...his bowels fell out by reason of his sickness" -- 2 Chronicles 21:15, 18, 19. "By the great force of my disease is my garment changed: it bindeth me about as the collar of my coat." -- Job 30:18. "For my loins are filled with a loathsome disease: and there is no soundness in my flesh." -- Psalm 38:7. "The LORD will strengthen him upon the bed of languishing: thou wilt make all his bed in his sickness." -- Psalm 41:3. "All his days also he eateth in darkness, and he hath much sorrow and wrath with his sickness." -- Ecclesiastes 5:17. "And it is an evil disease" -- Ecclesiastes 6:2. "Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint. From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no soundness in it; but wounds, and bruises, and putrifying sores: they have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with ointment." -- Isaiah 1:5-6. "The writing of Hezekiah king of Judah, when he had been sick, and was recovered of his sickness:" -- Isaiah 38:9. "He will cut me off with pining sickness" -- Isaiah 38:12. "When Ephraim saw his sickness, and Judah saw his wound, then went Ephraim to the Assyrian, and sent to king Jareb: yet could he not heal you, nor cure you of your wound." -- Hosea 5:13. Want more? Good! The Hebrew word translated griefs in Isaiah 53:4 is derived from another Hebrew word (Strong's #2470), which is translated sick in 34 verses in the Old Testament! Feel free to buy a concordance and look them up for yourself, as I think I have listed enough verses here to rest my case. This is no attempt to rewrite the Bible, but simply an attempt to point out where the King James translators should have used clearer words to express what the Hebrew words were saying. My Reina-Valera Spanish Bible (a standard among Spanish-speakers), which was translated directly from the Hebrew and Greek, states explicitly in Isaiah 53:4 that he bore our sicknesses (enfermedades) and pains (dolores). This underscores the point that the no one is attempting to rewrite the original Hebrew. Based on the other places in the Old Testament that the word is used, it is indisputable that Jesus bore our sicknesses at Calvary. Many different words are translated grief outside of Isaiah 53. The word grief appears 22 times in the Old Testament outside of Isaiah 53. In only two of these cases is the same Hebrew word that Isaiah used in Isaiah 53:4 used to express the word grief: "As a fountain casteth out her waters, so she casteth out her wickedness: violence and spoil is in her; before me continually is grief and wounds." -- Jeremiah 6:7 "Woe is me for my hurt! my wound is grievous: but I said, Truly this is a grief, and I must bear it." -- Jeremiah 10:13 Other Hebrew words are used to express emotional grief. The one in Isaiah 53:4 is the one used above to describe physical grief, and it is never used to describe purely emotional grief. Sorrows defined Now let's look at the other word, the one used for sorrows in Isaiah 53:4. This is Strong's Hebrew word #4341, which is also used in the verses below. In the interest of fairness, I have listed it everywhere I could find it, not just the places that might seem to help my case: "If there be dearth in the land, if there be pestilence, if there be blasting, or mildew, locusts, or caterpillers; if their enemies besiege them in the cities of their land; whatsoever sore or whatsoever sickness there be: Then what prayer or what supplication soever shall be made of any man, or of all thy people Israel, when every one shall know his own sore and his own grief..." -- 2 Chronicles 7:28-29. "He is chastened also with pain upon his bed, and the multitude of his bones with strong pain" -- Job 33:19. (The second "pain" is actually implicit from the first and was added by the translators.) "For I am ready to halt, and my sorrow is continually before me" -- Psalm 38:17. "For they persecute him whom thou hast smitten; and they talk to the grief of those whom thou hast wounded" -- Psalm 69:26. "For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow" -- Ecclesiastes 1:18. "All thy lovers have forgotten thee; they seek thee not; for I have wounded thee with the wound of an enemy, with the chastisement of a cruel one, for the multitude of thine iniquity: because thy sins were increased. Why criest thou for thine affliction? thy sorrow is incurable for the multitude of thine iniquity..." -- Jeremiah 30:14-15. "Thou didst say, Woe is me now! for the LORD hath added grief to my sorrow; I fainted in my sighing, and I find no rest." -- Jeremiah 45:3. "Babylon is suddenly fallen and destroyed: howl for her; take balm for her pain, if so be she may be healed." -- Jeremiah 51:8. "Is it nothing to you, all ye that pass by? behold, and see if there be any sorrow like unto my sorrow, which is done unto me, wherewith the LORD hath afflicted me in the day of his fierce anger" -- Lamentations 1:12. "The LORD is righteous; for I have rebelled against his commandment: hear, I pray you, all people, and behold my sorrow: my virgins and my young men are gone into captivity" -- Lamentations 1:18. Like the English word pain, this particular Hebrew word appears to be used to refer to both physical and emotional pain, as is clear from both uses in the verses shown above. This word is not as clear-cut as the word for griefs, which always means physical sickness in Scripture. I am not saying that the word used for sorrows always means physical pain; I am simply proving that the word is in fact used to describe physical pain in some places and emotional pain in others. Since it can go either way, which way should it be interpreted? Again, we must side with the Holy Spirit in translating it to refer to physical disease, as proved by Matthew 8:17. Also, this would be consistent with the context of bearing sicknesses, as proved by the word used for griefs a few words earlier. See the discussion, Isaiah's Prophecy of Redemption for even more discussion of this topic.

St John, So we are to have no pain on this Earth? Am I understaing you correctly brother? Steve Steve, I can see that you are not understanding Jesus substitutionary sacrifice. Does it say in Isaiah 53 that "by Jesus stripes we are healed"? It also says that "he bore or sickness and pain". I have had both sickness and pain. But when I was healed the pain went, too. Did Jesus take the sins of the world upon Himself? Did you repent of your sins? Then how come you can still sin? That is the same as your question "why is there still pain on this earth if Jesus bore it" Jesus took the sins of the world unpon Himself. That does not mean that everyone is now saved. It means that if we do our part and repent and believe on Him, THEN we are saved. If we do our part in healing, and believe and receive Jesus' sacrifice for our healing then we are healed. Jesus told the pharisees of his day "What is easier to say, "your sins be forgiven" or "take up your bed and walk" " It didn't matter which because sickness is the result of sin. There was no sickness before sin and there will be none after. If you download the Healing for Windows program this and hundreds of other questions will be answered.

Tatie, below you will find a link and a description of an online book called Healing for Windows. This is the easiest to read book in it's layout I have ever come across. It has questions about healing and Objections to healing that you can click on and the answers pop up. Every question you could think of is there. Please try it out. It has been a major blessing to me. Healing for Windows Web Site Jesus Christ provided physical healing for you when he bore your sicknesses and carried your pains at Calvary. You can receive healing from Jesus Christ NOW. Read Healing for Windows and find out how! Download Healing for Windows Version 1.01 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Healing for Windows is a free hypertext cyberbook about receiving healing from Jesus Christ. This book tells you how YOU can receive the healing that Jesus Christ already paid for you to have. It is the equivalent of a 1,600-page printed book, compressed into one 1.3-megabyte file called HEALING.HLP. You can just click on HEALING.HLP to run it. The file will not expand after you download it; the text decompresses itself as the program runs. Healing for Windows contains annotated verses from the Old and New Testaments, 131 discussions about topics related to healing, answers to 80 questions about healing, and replies to 155 objections to receiving healing through faith in Jesus Christ. You can have an interactive "chat" with the program about your healing, look up your ailment in Scripture, and browse a list of mistakes that can keep you from receiving the healing that Jesus Christ provided for you. The book is all hypertext, so you can find what you want by clicking through a few screens with your mouse. You can search on dozens of keywords, copy any portion to the Clipboard, and browse items in a section sequentially. This book will set you free from religious garbage. If you've been taught that sickness was Paul's thorn in the flesh, that you could be another Job, that God uses sickness for some higher purpose, or that God says NO or WAIT to some who come for healing, read this book and learn the truth! You will learn that God does not makes exceptions "in his sovereignty." You'll find out that he never refuses to heal anyone who comes to him according to his instructions. YOU can be healed! The book also contains instructions on how to be born again and baptized with the Holy Spirit. If you're not both of these, don't miss out any longer! Find out how YOU can be forgiven for ALL your sins and walk in the power of the Holy Spirit! This book is compatible with all versions of Microsoft Windows, which is required to run it. Once you download it, you can copy it and give it to all your friends. (Please do.) The book is copyrighted only to protect its contents. The book itself is FREE. You may reproduce it and give it to anyone on the earth, or off the earth, for that matter. The book and this Web site do not, and will not, contain advertising or requests for money. This site and Healing for Windows were produced solely to help YOU receive healing from Jesus Christ the way people in the Bible did. Note: Version 1.01 (dated 6/28/97) contains minor spelling, grammar and citation fixes from Version 1.00 (dated 5/22/97). There are no significant changes. There are no new topics and no doctrinal differences. Users of Version 1.00 need not upgrade unless they simply want the latest version. Thank you for visiting the Healing for Windows Web Site!

That is a wonderful attitude, Tatie. No matter what, we who love and worship God, having Jesus as our Lord and Saviour, will meet together in His presence, and live eternally. That is an even better promise than God's promise to heal us. But like you say, keep pleasing God with your faith. I have been in circumstances where I was close to death. I know how hard it is to have faith sometimes. But faith comes by love the bible says. So I find the more I draw near to God and submit myself to Him, and love and adore Him and his healing word, the bigger my faith is.

That is all very interesting, but let me ask you something. Did Jesus heal the sick? YES. So, your analogy does not work. The redemption of our bodies is not complete, but that did not seem to bother Jesus did it? He healed the sick then and He still heals the sick today. But just to make myself clear to you, Journey, and to Tatie, here is my advise below: SHOULD I SEE A DOCTOR OR TAKE MEDICINE IF I AM BELIEVING GOD FOR HEALING? Luke was a doctor (Col 4:14) and no one told him that his calling was sinful. Jesus said that the sick need a physician (Matt 9:12, Mark 2:17, Luke 5:31 ). Doctors and medicine are not wrong. They are on God's side and he is on theirs. God wants you to get well, and the doctor wants you to get well. There is agreement there. It is not doctors but ignorant religious Christians who will fight you on healing. No doctor in his right mind would sit there and tell you that your illness was the will of God for some reason, yet there are preachers who would! While the doctor is trying to heal you, the ignorant preacher will pray that you have "patience to endure the suffering which God has seen fit to lay on you" instead of laying hands on you for your recovery as he is plainly commanded to do in Scripture. If you are sick, you would be well advised to avoid anyone who calls himself a minister of the gospel who does not believe that it is the will of God to heal you. Some people suppose that they are putting God on the spot, or somehow honoring him, by not going to a doctor or taking medicine. Neither is true. God is under no obligation to honor anything but faith. Just because you shun medical assistance or medicine does not mean that you are in faith. It may simply mean that you are being an idiot. This kind of thing brings a reproach on the teaching of divine healing in general, because scoffers love to point out cases of people who shun medical help and die. If you've believed you've received your healing, and are so sure that you will stake anything on it, great. If you have any doubts, you had better get whatever natural help is available to you. Don't gamble with your life. If you are in faith, your use of medicine will not prevent that healing from manifesting. You have not turned your back on God or stopped trusting him just because you take a pill. Don't get all bound up over that. Just make sure that you maintain your stand of faith. Also, there can be some time between the time you believe that you receive your healing and the manifestation of that healing. During this time, it is a good idea to take medicine to relieve the symptoms. If anything, it will make your stand of faith easier. Having your body screaming at you in pain because you won't take a pill for it may seem like "macho faith" (and go ahead, if that's what you want to do), but you may find that it's nicer not to suffer unnecessarily in the meantime. Your use of medicine or doctors does not dishonor God in the least. If you are trusting him for your healing, it will manifest in your body anyway, and God will still get the glory for your healing. After all, in most cases, the medicines available cannot cure your condition anyway; they can simply relieve some of the suffering until you really get healed.

You get two thumbs up from me! And if I had more thumbs they would go up, too! For that wonderful post I wish I was "ALL THUMBS".

Tatie, here is an article that I found helpful. God healed me and he is no respecter of persons. Objection: "Claiming" your healing is an arrogant attempt to twist God's arm Then shame on you for "making" God renew your spirit and let you into heaven, which he did when you claimed the forgiveness that was available to you. God did not do a new sacrificial work for you. You just claimed something that was waiting for you. You arm-twister, you. There is nothing arrogant about receiving something that is already yours as far as God is concerned. Peter writes that your healing is in the past tense (1 Peter 2:24). In God's eyes, it is rightfully yours because you are a Christian. You are simply receiving something that God has already decided to give you. Suppose I walk into my bank. I tell the teller that I want to withdraw some money from my account. Then the teller says, "You're mighty arrogant, aren't you? Trying to twist my arm?" The tellers don't say that at my bank! They were a little bit like that at my former bank. The ATM had a better personality than they did. They acted inconvenienced that a customer would appear at their windows, but even they never called me arrogant or accused me of arm-twisting when I made a withdrawal. I was simply getting what was already mine. Why do you think God provided healing for you by the stripes of Jesus? So that you could sit there and act fake-o-humble and stay sick? Of course not! Jesus was not wasting his time when he was lashed! His body was torn up so that your body would not have to be torn up. He has deposited healing into your heavenly bank account. You have the right to make a withdrawal at any time. That's why God put it there! You aren't twisting God's arm because you aren't even asking God to make a decision. He made the decision to heal you before he sent Jesus to bear the curse written in the law (which includes all diseases). You are not asking God to do anything. You really aren't as much claiming a promise as you are acting on a fact. 1 Peter 2:24 does not promise anything. It is a statement of a historical fact concerning your healing. You are acting on the facts of your covenant, not asking God to do something special for you. God already did all he needs to do. Healing is in your account waiting for you to make a withdrawal. God is faithful to his Word. You don't have to "twist his arm" to get him to honor it!

Tatie, Believe the bible and not those that would try to take healing away from God's children! They are wrong. Please don't let the devil talk you out of believing God for healing. Jesus healed all that came to Him, and He is the same yesterday today and forever. By his stripes we are healed. He has already bore our pains and diseases and was brutally beaten for our healing. On two occasions in the gospels people were not healed. In Jesus home town where he could do "no mighty works" because of THEIR unbelief. And when the disciples were given the power to heal all manner of diseases they could not heal the little boy Jesus said "because of their unbelief". So don't listen to those who would try to seed you with unbelief. Believe the word of God. Matthew 9:35: And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people. Jesus did not make exceptions and tell people they had to keep their sickness for a reason. Peter and Paul did not make exceptions and tell people they had to glorify God in their sickness. The Bible pattern is simple. You cannot be an exception. Don't let the devil lie to you and tell you that there is some reason you can't get healed. You CAN get healed! The last thing you need though is religious minds putting doubt in your head about God's willingness to heal you. They would want to turn this forum topic into a circus like the other ones they are on. So if they start that kind of silliness, please report them to the moderators. God Bless You, and Only Believe. If your child was sick and it was in your power to heal and comfort your child, to do anything less would be abusive. God is not abusing His children. That is the devils job. God is the Healer and it is His will to heal all. Just remember to forgive all, worship and adore the Father, and keep the word on healing in your heart.

Sorry, but I am new to posting pictures. I will try not to post such large pictures. I just love to see pictures of the harvest and I thought that other christians might, too.

That is wonderful. So now we can agree that the WOF'ers are also in the Body of Christ and have people on this forum stop spewing hateful comments by calling them satanists. This is good news.

I also fully believe in partaking of the Lord's Body and Blood. We are to do this in remembrance. His blood washes us clean as snow and by His broken body you were healed.

Tatie, stand strong in the Lord and in the Power of His Might. You are His child and you were created for His pleasure, to love Him and to be loved by Him. Pleasure the Father with your adoration and Worship. I find it so wonderful when my son just comes up to me for "seemingly" no reason at all and just hugs me and says "love you dad" and just stays secure in my arms for 10 minutes or more. I want God to feel that same pleasure that I get from my son, with me. I picture Jesus holding me and me just enjoying his loving presence and adoring Him with my whole heart. I picture Him smiling at me and happy because I bring him happiness. God is so magnificent. Love and Light beyond our comprehension. He is worthy of our praise and worship and love and adoration. Worship God no matter what circumstances are love Him and people as if you were to be standing before Him today. You will find as you get a revelation of His Love and His pleasure in your existence that you are able to Love others as God does. And Faith works by Love. God Bless you.

Blessings, When you do your part and put healthy things in God's Temple, and you accept God's healing through prayer, and cast down wicked imaginations and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God (doubts and fears) then you are sure to be healed. Having a positive outlook can go a long way, too. Philippians 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

Blessings, That is Hallelujah acres and the Pastor is George Malkus. We get their newletter and it has many testimonies of healing of cancer. I really hope you go the nutritional healing route. Your immune system will be boosted and so will your emotions get an uplift from nutrition. Where as chemo has side effects that are deadly, indiscriminately targeting all cells, not just the cancer. And radiation causes cancer. Surgery can help but should be used only in the case of life threatening circumstances. If you can remove the cancer naturally without surgery then that is the best route. Have you heard of healing rooms? These people pray for your healing and don't give up. Maybe see if there is one in your area. The testimonies are incredible. Healing testimonies from people healed at Healing rooms

Tatie, God desires to heal you. It is His good pleasure to see you, His Temple, restored to health. There are many ways healing comes mentioned in the scriptures. Believing for healing through your own faith, people believing and praying with you and healing coming by their faith, the gift of miracles or healing in a person, through God's spirit, laying on of hands, and calling the elders of the church. If you look at all these ways God has provided, you have got to know that He is trying every way that He can to get you to be healed. And in the mean time even if their is a bad diagnosis and a time frame given as to how long you have to live, don't believe it. Doctors can make mistakes and many people have lived well past their GUESSES. Nutirition is another way God has provided for our healing. Exodus 23:25 And ye shall serve the LORD your God, and he shall bless thy bread, and thy water; and I will take sickness away from the midst of thee. When you have knowledge of what to eat, healing takes place. This link, if you have not already seen it, is to a christian doctor. She has pictures of her tumor and she tells all about her journey and how she healed it nutritionally. And why, even as a doctor she refused chemo, radiation, and surgery. She is a board certified trauma surgeon. Click below to find out how she teaches others to be cancer free. Also check out the other link. Click Here for Dr. Day's plan for healing even the most severe cancer. This is not her Home page, but if you scroll down you will find it. This just is her tumor pictures. Warning, make sure the kids don't see this. A link to a Christian Cancer Hospital.

I am no prophecy scholar, but I have searched the word to find the truth in this matter of the end times. And I have examined the many differing views and interpretations on prophecy, with an open mind for finding the truth. It seems to me that there are so many ways to see how the end goes, like the timing of the rapture, and who and what the antichrist and beast are, when this and that happens, and if there will be a one world leader. I just want to know the truth because it say's at the beginning of Revelation,: Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand. I just see, in the word, where the only 'one world ruler' will be Jesus Christ, the Lord of Glory, and to be ready and watching and redeeming the time. So until I know for sure, for sure, what it all means, I am going to eagerly await the one with all the knowledge on this subject: Christ Jesus.

Roman numerals I=1 V=5 X=10 L=50 C=100 D=500 Add up to 666, the mark of the beast. And then the next Roman numeral is M=1000, as in millenium. Is that uncanny or what?