Mongo

Amazing. The hate. Well Eric, its pretty simple. You go do the research and you will find the documents I refer to. I've done it. You want to entice everyone to not listen, shouldn't you check youself? The altered and false documents regularly state that Jefferson said this, Adams said that, Franklin was an aetheist and though everyone was nuts. Then compare those to letters and other historical information found in the national archives and other place and you see where the differences suddenly glare at you. All of them believed in a supreme being. Some acknowledged God, others Jesus, and others wrote about a 'supreme, all powerful force that creates and binds'. I think my post, had you read it, was pretty clear. The words used in the Declaration were chosen to affirm the acceptance of varied views, not juse one faith or view. Had they all been Christians and believed in Jesus, they would have used His name instead of "Creator". Had you been educated in this country, the US, back when real history was taught the teachers would have shared with you this information and talked to you about how important it was for these first explorers to our lands and shapers of our country to escape the King's laws and constantly changing regulations for the new colonies and how they also sought to free themselves of religious persecution for not practicing the "accepted" faith of England. Now to your other comment, the forefathers intended the rights to apply to everyone. However at that time, it was acceptable to own slaves. It was the norm in many cultures. In those cultures, nearly all of them, slaves had lesser rights than the "common man". It was also accepted that women were second to men, that they had a place to the side of men. This was something that had traditionally always been. They were very unaware that what they were writing was in direct conflict with what they were doing. It wasn't until many years later that many of the signers of that same Declaration realized their shame. Their letters and journals tell us this in clear meanings. If anything, instead of hating them you should feel sorry for them. Most of them had no notion of the hypocracy of their notion to be free of England while continue to enslave others. Perhaps they had the same mentality that a Dutch trader commented with centuries ago (I think it was Bergen) when he said [on slaves], "If they do not wish to be slaves, they should not allow us to make them slaves". It sounds silly, but some people simply don't see some things clearly until they gain a new perspective.

That's funny. Not accurate, but funny. It does make one wonder about their mental state at times, or their awareness.

KatyAnn, I'm not going to take your bait. Your purpose is pretty clear to me now. Perhaps you need to research the history of the U.S a little more. The first colonies came here why? To escape what? They came here to escape political and religious persecution. Its well documented. I realize that there's some heavy temptation to go to Christian forums and insidously began hacking away at Christian beliefs, but I don't understand why someone would attack the foundations of my country unless they simply hate it. The fact that the shapers of this great country believed in God must truly make the aetheists insane with anger. I know it because they are always attempting to state that the formation of this country had nothing to do with religion in any way, shape, or form. They continually regurgitate the mantra given to them in hopes of creating deception. They work to revise history so that our forefathers were aetheists, that Jesus was merely a "good" man and that everything came from nothing. These tools are of the enemy. I only respond to such people once. You got two out of me, grats.

Fiosh, How should you respond? With stoic fanaticism? With furious anger and preachy dialogue? With self-righteousness? I thought that was the norm. Or it seemed to be when I got here. I haven't paid much attention lately, though. Who bit who? What I find truly amazing (sarcastically and sadly so) is the number of "Christians" who actually share the word. You can ask people 'Are you a Christian?' and be told yes by nearly every one, but then ask, 'When was the last time you shared the word with a stranger?' and they clam up. Sometimes they like to position themselves behind anonimity and pounce when they see some prey. At other times they hail lightning down upon the heads of the ignorant and fundamentally Bible-challenged. Whether they be extremists or complacant to the world, they amaze me in a saddening way.

KatyAnn, Many of the founding fathers believed whole-heartedly in Jesus and God and publically acknowledged a supreme being. In many cases, they compromised on the terms, or words, so that the concept of a supreme diety was preserved, but that the individual's manner to recognize God was also preserved. You must understand that they came from varied religious backgrounds and teachings and did not seek to create a country where people were persecuted for variances - that's why they had sought exit from England in the first place. One of the strongest factors for rebelling against England was the continued effort of the church to enforce itself upon the new continent. The Church used its power to attempt to get a foothold in the new lands and many of our forefathers not only wanted to free themselves of political tyranny, but from religious tyranny as well. Many fake documents have been used by aetheist to attack Christianity for years. In the last decade, more of these have found their way to the internet. Don't fall for it. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

I will assume you mean the U.S. The U.S. was founded upon belief in a supreme diety, not Jesus Christ. Some of the founders and shapers of our early country were Christians, or followed religious faiths that taught that Christ was our savior. A few believed in a supernatural power, but never said it was "God". Some believed in God, but didn't follow biblical teachings. The words, "In God We Trust" are there because our forefathers knew how important God was in our lives and how His blessings had enabled them to survive where others perished. If you read many of their personal documents, you will see how the majority feared that a country without God at it's center would become immoral, violent, perverse, and would decay slowly into obscurity. When prayer was removed from school, that's exactly what happened.

My screen names relate to gaming. In some games, I go by "Mongo".

Yes. Take my word for it.

As I said in the other thread about this subject; Having talked to people who died, I am firmly convinced our souls don't stay with the body. I don't know where they go, but they go somewhere.

Well who knows... Satan is in the world, the AC could be here to.

Having talked to people who died, I have a very solid impression our souls do not rest with the body. Where they go, I don't know, but its somewhere else.

Jesus also wept in Luke 19 Luke 19: 41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it, 42 Saying, "If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things [which belong] unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes. 43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side, 44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation."

Look. For the last time. I do not have the beast's mark. All I have is a shocking monkey that gives me a jolt with its shocker when I don't answer tech calls fast enough.

"NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- Three days after Hurricane Katrina flooded New Orleans, staff members at the city's Memorial Medical Center had repeated discussions about euthanizing patients they thought might not survive the ordeal, according to a doctor and nurse manager who were in the hospital at the time. The Louisiana attorney general's office is investigating allegations that mercy killings occurred and has requested that autopsies be performed on all 45 bodies taken from the hospital after the storm. Orleans Parish coroner Frank Minyard said investigators have told him they think euthanasia may have been committed." I'm boggled.

Its ok SJ. You place your faith in Darwin, I place mine in Jesus.

That's not evolution, but nice try. Geologist estimate the ages. They have nothing to set an absolute, but they use a reference from an accepted procedure which is in itself "theory in guessing". Assumptions are made as there are not absolutes. Darwin's theory of evolution was that small cells, become fish, became amphibians, became land mammals, became primitive ape-like creature, became man. Don't try to go and change the standard evolutionists accepted as the way life was created. Evolution doesn't exist. No fish will ever evolve into birds. Again, wrong. You use the example of the Lord using His hand to affect change in "the serpent" and the defination of mutations and evolution. Doesn't work that way. Something has to become something fully different to prove evolution. The date these fossils were to have existed is another guesstimate by scientists. Neanderthal man is the last thing hardcore fanatics have left to point at and still there's a missing link. Evolution doesn't exist, never did. Because evolutionists want it that way.

Rev 1:19 "Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter" This doesn't mean the Beast was coming 100 years later. Its the Lord's commandment for John to write about what he had seen, then what he was seeing then, and then to be prepared to write for what he was about to see of things to come.

Maybe its her calling to witness to the rest of the judges?

Maybe we didn't make it... Anways, I was talking to another friend of mine who lives in Tennesee and he said that he had seen a special commercial on TV about how there's these new computer chips and they want to stick them in us and how great it will be because all of our information is on these and all we have to do is walk by a machine at check out and it will deduct the funds and where ever we go machines will know our preferences in lightning and music and isn't that wonderful... I'll pass. Not because I think its the beast though, that's only part of it. Mainly because I ain't having no one stick nothing in me. My temple. Back off!

The theory of Evolution is albeit dead to the hardcore fanatics. It is proven that evolution does not occur or exist. The argument is that it takes millions of years, but the argument has no proof and no viable research. Its all speculation. I was a hardcore evolutionist, but I question everything. Eventually I began to question something that was never proven because of something in my uncle's life (He didn't believe in Bigfoot, then he ran smack dab into one and believed), and this is where I looked first. Evolution does not occur in nature, but what does occur is mutations. This is not evolution. For evolution to exist, something must become something else completely. A frog must become a bird, etc. What does occur in nature is natural mutations - something mutates into a different version of the same thing. A spotted lizard in New Mexico became a striped lizard after what is estimated 200 years. Yes the stripes are small slits, but over 200 years they have changed from spots to these slits. In time, they will probably become stripes if the population continues to breed readily and within itself often. The original spotted variety is still found in Mexico, but nearly 400 miles south of the stripes. What outward or inward experience caused this, scientist do not know, but they do not they are the same DNA, though one is much larger and colored differently. And I don't mean they are the same basic DNA, they are the exact same. DNA is a digital code. We know that now. The hardcore will argue this, but its futile. We know that DNA does change is most basic components. "Something that walks on all fours will always walk on all fours." That quote is from the modern evolutionists trying to prove we came from apes. Arguing that we had to "come from something that at least walks upright and apes are the best choice". Another one. They are "choosing" what we evolved from? Primitive man, ie cavemen, are best explained even scientiffically as mutated forms of man. It is scientiffically possible, without using millions of years and using "devilution", that early man was mutated through genetics into what was found centuries later and thought to be millions of years old cavemen. This scientiffic thought, coming from non-believers, is that at some point early man inbred or something. However, we know that in the Bible angels took man's daughters for wives and created offspring which were "tainted" in God's eyes and wiped out in the flood. The Missing Link is still missing. We are suppose to believe that something that can't be proven is logical, yet something that has hundreds of texts to support it and various "outer" texts that support its content is a lie? Amazing.

My personal experience is that Jesus' name works great.

Personal beliefs are not suppose to affect her judicial judgements. I know they might to a degree, but the degree we simply don't know. She might not even let them interfere. Being a judge requires more than simply making decisions, so not everyone could do it. I understand your POV, but it is possible to sit on the bench and not let personal feelings influence you. In fact, its expected and if judges are suspected of letting religious or personal beliefs creeping into their work, they can face serious repercussions.

You need to compare apples to apples. We're not talking about her ability to decide on things based either on wordly or Christian views, we're talking about her ability to judge cases based upon the law of the land. Its perfectly within someone's ability to walk with Christ.

I don't play that game. I still like AD&D, but I don't play. I simply don't have the inclination of digging out 15 books and dragging them over to someone's house to play. Last time I had a very bad experience and it put me off it since then. I play some online games, and some things like X-Men II, etc. But you don't find girls who are into games as much, so when I am dating I simply don't play. Everyone knows when I am dating too... They don't see me for months on the forums or in the games because when I am not working, I am tending to my girl. I like some games, but my favorite is UNO because I love to play that Draw Four and fill you up with cards, then go out. Weeeee!

And why are you looking at me when you say that?