ONE WHO WISHES TO LOVE GOD

The BIBLE is the word of GOD however I think he still has more to say to us in the future.

Kxxx well I will be honest if she's already said no to your friend already then he has two choices he can be her friend and continue to be there for her and maybe just maybe in time she may see things in your friend that might change her mind. Or he can seek someone else to pursue a relationship that would be for the purpose of finding the right person to Marry. But if your friend pushes the issue i think it would only make her feel she needs to draw away from him, since shes made it clear already, However I have seen it before that guys who where not otherwise potentails for a poticuler girl have won them over by being a good listener and a shoulder to cry on. I know it sounds a little odd but he might try revers phycoligee he might try to helper win the heart of this other guy, you see since he would be helping her and since the other guy is not interested in her she would proably be more incline to talk to your friend about her feelings. true it will be her feeling about this other guy right now however, what he would actually be doing is drawing her closer to himself by being someone she could talk to, so once she losses her infatuation with that other guy their relationship has become closer in the mean time, and it might provide him the opportunity. I am not a love Dr or anything but sometimes one must take a step back in order to move forward. Well I hope he's seeking an good relationship and not just the way the world does things well i hope this helps

Hello Tess I do agree that many of our brothers and sisters can be quite legalistic in their opinions. I feel that some times this happens do to that individuals own insecuritys about a given topic, so either they may start a topic that they may be seeking others take on things or they may reply to a topic with a narrow dogmatic way. however Jesus made it very simple; By these two things you will fulfill both the law and the prophets Love your God with all your heart and also love your neighbor. However I do feel the more we become legalistic the more we start to resemble those self righteous and self assuming Pharisees...... GOD BLESS YOU David IS THE

HAPPY 54TH POST

Worm I am only to happy to answer this however before I do Worm their is something I have to say to you and I hope you will receive it with the spirit it is intended. Worm it is my belief that the designers of this forum desigened it for the purpose so that people can discuss with one another their faith a place where we can come to enjoy each others fellowship grow in our understanding by our sharpening one another, encourage one another and to become a community whose unity is built out love for Jesus and our love for one another. However Worm I have noticed a negativity in your posts since I observe that they are laced with disrespect, aqusetory, talking down to others and a real bitterness. Worm there is nothing wrong with your expressing yourself on your take on what ever the subject maybe however I ask you that you do this in a way of brotherly love and mutual respect since these would be more in the spirit of what this forum is intened. Now to your questions first you say Your definition of church means that you don't even know who else besides you is in your church since only God knows who the true believers are. In other words, if you only define church as the true believers, then you are defining church as only yourself since you really can't be certain of anyone else's status before God. yes and no who is the Church are made up of believers who are determined by God but are not beyond a measure of destuingishabillity, their fruitage will bare them to be true followers or not however this ultimately is determined not by me or you but by God then you are defining church as only yourself since you really can't be certain of anyone else's status before God. first off you are taking me out of context secondly Worm are you saying that you do know anothers status before God so as to say they are believer simply based off the premise that they fallow the same denomination as you. would you not agree that every one will be judged acording to their obedience to Gods commands faith in the Son and a worship with a unhypocricle love........... what say you YES or NO? WORM You only know what others say but you can't judge their heart or can you? This is so obvious it does not deserve a reply!!! Do you preach to yourself Nope I use forms such as this and am willing to attend most churches except those who I feel are really twisting the Word. But I do not belong to any denomination other than simply to be a Christian. And I preach to any who will listen not to draw them to this denomination or that but to draw them to Jesus........... absolve your own sins, and serve the Sacraments (if you have any) to yourself NOPE again Worm since by definition your church can't really include anyone else but you? That is your your Definition and as to the application of the scriptures Which one do you say I have miss applied also for that given scripture give me your understanding of that scripture and how it is you say I have miss aplplied it. One last thing Worm I dont mind discussing or debating with you but I will not attack your standing with God for regaudless whether you consider me as a Brother in Christ I do you. So in that spirit let us both be wrong but God be right........ Peace to you Worm Um Yummy I like Worms !!!

AWH !!! they have all been over taken by the evil fortune cookie........... yea they are low in fat but Id rather have an Oreo cookie at least you can dunk them in milk

Its not the quantity of posts that matter it is the quality of the posts but HAPPY 100TH POST

I say we find these clubs and release hives of angry bees inside them that would make things really exciting

The entire point of Paul's argument was that division in the body of Christ is unacceptable. 1 Corinthians 1:13 Has Christ been divided? Paul was not crucified for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? The denominations only exist to protect false teachings and false "gospel's." If people had Christ as their Lord, they wouldn't trust in man made religion above Him and these denominations wouldn't exist. Paul always dealt with divisions immediately in order to maintain unity of truth. Today people band together to defend lies. Mr SE Well SE denominations exist out of their own desire or necicity to give themselves a name or title in order to make them distinct from one anothers, kinda like saying this is who we are and this what we believe the problem with that is it goes against what 1 CORINTHIANS 1. 10 About being fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought. However with each denominational title comes its own twist or spin on things. Now unlike what Worm say in his post I do believe that if anyone is in a denomination yes they are following Christ word provided that when their denomination is guilty of teaching a courpted gosple they are willing to take a stand for the truth however if they are so enslaved to the denomination that they are not willing to take a stand then really their Lord is that denomination. since we must stand for the truth, not ours, not theirs, but His truth. also Jesus decides whose are his and who are not. I tell the truth there will be some out every one of these denominations because in the judgement he will not ask what denomination one was in, but rather he will ask did we obey his commands, put faith in his Son, and worship with a unhypocrtical love. Now the other problem I observe with denominationlalisum is when gathering people some are gathering for the pupose so they will have more people and to be able to count their contributions from. Your right when we become the ones to devide up people and say ok you are not a believer but that other one is, then we presuming the judgement of God and that I do oppose. SE the council to the 7 congergations shows that each had things they needed to correct so to the same applys to all of us regardless of denomination that we must all hear what the spirit is saying to the congergations and make what ever needed corections we need to make to be holding to the Word of God................ Peace to you SE my brother ^_^

Hey all I was just wanting to see what are some of your veiw pionts. My take on it is no. however I've been told it's much to do about nothing or I am over reacting so Id like to get yalls take on it.

Well just imagine a birthday where you blow out the candles but there is no cake. Are you asking because maybe you might be having difficulty making ends meet and are you in need of some assistance or are you just taking your new years resolution a little to seriously

what about Procrastination ?

1.......... It was fun while it lasted. but it was over far to quickly !!!

As it was last year and as it will be allways for the flood gates of my love for my God to grow ever more and for me to do my best in reflecting the love of Christ to all..............For what greater things could I seek than these. IS THE

well to quote Martin Luther himself I am a man and I can error however inless I am convinced by scripture and by plain reason and not by Popes or councails who have so often contradicted themselves my consciece is held captive to the word of God to go against consciece is neither right or safe I CAN NOT AND WILL NOT RECANT.............. tell me what church or what authority did Martin Luther submit to I will tell you by what authority he and we are to submit to, it is the Word of God. please consider this point Smalcald if Martin Luther held to what you just now sugested there would have been no reformation, furthermore Martin did show that we are to take a stand even if it means we stand alone. please Smalcald give me your thoughts on this Sure. I will try although I am not always clear in my own thoughts What I was referring to was how we are to respond to the Word of God through worship. Luther never stood alone he always worshipped in unity with others, people who agreed with his beliefs about how the Church should be reformed, and sometimes people who did not. Consider what Luther did, did he say the heck with you, I am going home and being a Christian by myself. No he spent a good portion of his life cajoling, arguing and criticizing what he considered his church, and it was his church. He was excommunicated for this, and yes in this case we must follow the Word, but even then he continued to worship as a church in unity with other like minded Catholic reformers. At times yes I think we may have to stand alone, and we should be ready for that. But this certainly is not the case today, we can and do have many people who are in the faith of Christ who believe the bible is the inerrant and infallible Word of God, we can and should worship together with these people as a visible church. If we believe the Word, we will try to do what it instructs, which is to worship together, to form visible churches and appoint overseers among us, deacons, bishops and elders who adhere to the Word of God. This is not to say we accept bad theology or heretical theology, but it is to say we need leadership, and that we are not to INTENTIONALLY be alone in our Christian walk. What I was referring to was charlatans like Camping who encourage people to isolate themselves from other Christians and hey give money to his radio show. The New Testament is rarely addressed to individual Christians, it always addresses groups of Christians, Churches in each of the regions, and these churches all had leaders and overseers as Paul speaks of and gives directions for how those people should be appointed. So yes worship with your conscience, find a Church who follows the word of God and then join and be part of that membership, and yes follow the legitimate leadership of that Church. I of course see your point yes we dont want to isolate ones self however the church does not mediate between us and God, Jesus does so he say where 2 or 3 are gathered in my name there I will be, further more when we become a name brand believer then we no longer are bearing the brand mark Christian but rather the brand mark of what ever denomination one submits to that also means that if I where to claim to be a Catholic then i would also be in agreement with all their teachings, but if I Claim no alegance to any denomination but I am simply a Christian then I am submitting myself to Christ and I am in agreement with his teachings. besides each denominations has it's own clergy so wich one is being directed by God. would say all while all dispute one another. The bible clearly states that the Christ is the Head of every man. when we are willing to submit ourselves only to Christ only than and only than can we take a stand against the harisee that may exsist in what ever denomination that one might prescribe to over another. Peace to you Smalcald Peace to you also One who wishes. I understand your points, particularly about the idea of being in a "name brand" relationship, a type of clubbishness, which actually can separate us from God. This is something we all must wrestle with and not fall prey to. But God did not leave us alone, we were meant to be part of a group. Did you know that the word "member" is a Christian word that it came out of our faith into the English language? To be part of the Body of Believers with true faith is I think very important. Our splitting has been the result of Satan. Satan has sown seeds of corruption, bad doctrine, and pride among us as believers; thus we disagree and form our own groups. In addition, I will probably get pounded for saying this, the fact is the bible is not always clear and is sometimes quite complex, so when we have a lack of clarity or complexity on some issues, people will go their own way on these issues. The bible is clear on the basics of our faith however. One thing the bible does tell us to do is to appoint leaders among us, and we need to do that, it also tells us to be responsible to these leaders. We can't simply blow that part of scripture off, anymore than we can blow other parts of scripture off simply because they are hard. A denomination you are in, simply means you are a group of like minded believers it is simply a big house church where 2 or 3 are gathered, and following that denomination should be in perfect accordance with His will as shown in the Holy Bible, you should be convinced of that before joining any group of believers. The advantage of a denomination is that you know what you are getting into, you can really tell if they are in adherence with sound doctrine, other groups may not believe sound doctrine but because of their lack of organization or dominance by one strong personality, you would never know. In addition they often simply come and go, sifting like the wind, we need stability a place to take our children our grandchildren to learn and grow in the Word. Hello Smalcald I agree with what your saying up to 99.9 % this however is that .1 % I disagre with, see Smalcald this devieding our selves into veriosu denominations is not new to Chistianity but it had its beginning at the out set, please observe PAULs words on the matter. 1 CORINTHIANS 1. 11 - 13 For it has been told to me about you my brothers by Chloe that dissensions exsist among you. What I mean is that each of you say I belonge to Paul, But I to Apollos, But I to Cepheus, But I to Christ. The Christ exists divided. So this being called after this denomination or that is really much like what those were doing. further more their was given only one name that true followers of Christ were given under inspiration and that is Christian, no more no less This however is why I think that so many times we are urging one another into each ones own church as though being else where is not enough. Consider further please Smalcald the councicle given to the congergations in Revelations, as you observe most had things or teaching that were not consistent with the Christian faith, however all must conform to Christ, and those that would not would be removed, also please note what the spirit says, Let the one who has an ear hear what the spirit is saying to the congregations. So Smalcald when we are willing to bare our denominational brand marks we are accutley dividing our selves from each other. You have my brotherly love Smalcald May God be with you

Hey Worm you misunderstood what I was saying so I will try to Clarify what I mean Yes Jesus did set up his church, now who really is that faithful and discreet slave ??? Wouldn't you agree that each would answer differently depending on ones different denomination. exsample Catholics would say their clergy is the one and of course you as a Lutheran would say the Lutheran clergy, however for the both this applicable that neither do you fallow the Catholic church authority and they do not reconize the Lutheran authority. you say that nowhere in scripture that each individual determines for himself how he will worship or what one believes or is to submit to. In this you are much mistaken and here is the proof Consider please ROMANS 14. 5 - 12 Which says One man judges one day as though above another, another man judges one day as all others, ( now notice what Paul says here ) LET EACH MAN BE FULLY CONVINCED IN HIS OWN MIND. For he who observes the day observes it to the LORD. Also he who eats, eats to the LORD for he gives thanks to God and he who does not eat does not eat to the LORD and also gives thanks to the LORD. None of us infact with regards to ones self and neither does anyone die with regards to ones self. For both if we live we live to the LORD and if we die we die to the LORD, Therefore (I say again) both if we live and if we die we belong to the LORD. For this is the very reason Christ died and came to life agian so that he may be Lord over both the dead and the living.( now Worm this next part I would have you pay paticuler attention to ) vers 10 But why do you judge your brother OR why do you look down on your brother. For we shall all stand before the judgement seat God, for as it is written AS I LIVE says the LORD every knee will bend down and every tongue will make open acknowlegment to GOD. So then since each of us will give his own account before God let us stop judging one another any more. I have more proof Worm however at the moment i must log off so I am not done just yet.........

well to quote Martin Luther himself I am a man and I can error however inless I am convinced by scripture and by plain reason and not by Popes or councails who have so often contradicted themselves my consciece is held captive to the word of God to go against consciece is neither right or safe I CAN NOT AND WILL NOT RECANT.............. tell me what church or what authority did Martin Luther submit to I will tell you by what authority he and we are to submit to, it is the Word of God. please consider this point Smalcald if Martin Luther held to what you just now sugested there would have been no reformation, furthermore Martin did show that we are to take a stand even if it means we stand alone. please Smalcald give me your thoughts on this Sure. I will try although I am not always clear in my own thoughts What I was referring to was how we are to respond to the Word of God through worship. Luther never stood alone he always worshipped in unity with others, people who agreed with his beliefs about how the Church should be reformed, and sometimes people who did not. Consider what Luther did, did he say the heck with you, I am going home and being a Christian by myself. No he spent a good portion of his life cajoling, arguing and criticizing what he considered his church, and it was his church. He was excommunicated for this, and yes in this case we must follow the Word, but even then he continued to worship as a church in unity with other like minded Catholic reformers. At times yes I think we may have to stand alone, and we should be ready for that. But this certainly is not the case today, we can and do have many people who are in the faith of Christ who believe the bible is the inerrant and infallible Word of God, we can and should worship together with these people as a visible church. If we believe the Word, we will try to do what it instructs, which is to worship together, to form visible churches and appoint overseers among us, deacons, bishops and elders who adhere to the Word of God. This is not to say we accept bad theology or heretical theology, but it is to say we need leadership, and that we are not to INTENTIONALLY be alone in our Christian walk. What I was referring to was charlatans like Camping who encourage people to isolate themselves from other Christians and hey give money to his radio show. The New Testament is rarely addressed to individual Christians, it always addresses groups of Christians, Churches in each of the regions, and these churches all had leaders and overseers as Paul speaks of and gives directions for how those people should be appointed. So yes worship with your conscience, find a Church who follows the word of God and then join and be part of that membership, and yes follow the legitimate leadership of that Church. I of course see your point yes we dont want to isolate ones self however the church does not mediate between us and God, Jesus does so he say where 2 or 3 are gathered in my name there I will be, further more when we become a name brand believer then we no longer are bearing the brand mark Christian but rather the brand mark of what ever denomination one submits to that also means that if I where to claim to be a Catholic then i would also be in agreement with all their teachings, but if I Claim no alegance to any denomination but I am simply a Christian then I am submitting myself to Christ and I am in agreement with his teachings. besides each denominations has it's own clergy so wich one is being directed by God. would say all while all dispute one another. The bible clearly states that the Christ is the Head of every man. when we are willing to submit ourselves only to Christ only than and only than can we take a stand against the harisee that may exsist in what ever denomination that one might prescribe to over another. Peace to you Smalcald

Well Worm on this we can agree on but dont get use to it

I knew all this even with out you saying it. it is good that you told us but now what are we going to do about it. We must put a stop to it for the sake of His Name and for the sake of those who being mislead by them, yes God wil deal with them however there must be somthing that could be done

well to quote Martin Luther himself I am a man and I can error however inless I am convinced by scripture and by plain reason and not by Popes or councails who have so often contradicted themselves my consciece is held captive to the word of God to go against consciece is neither right or safe I CAN NOT AND WILL NOT RECANT.............. tell me what church or what authority did Martin Luther submit to I will tell you by what authority he and we are to submit to, it is the Word of God. please consider this point Smalcald if Martin Luther held to what you just now sugested there would have been no reformation, furthermore Martin did show that we are to take a stand even if it means we stand alone. please Smalcald give me your thoughts on this One doesn't have to read much of Martin Luthers writing to realize that he had issues. Many of things he wrote were quite vulger.....I cerrtainly wouldn't write them on here for anyone to read. There is a great book called "Luther" by Tan publishing. They used Luthers writings to show what he stood for. Very scary. Hey Pax I dont know about Martin Luthers other writing however had not the reformation taken place The Catholic church would probably be still burning people alive for trying to traslate the bible in the common tung

well to quote Martin Luther himself I am a man and I can error however inless I am convinced by scripture and by plain reason and not by Popes or councails who have so often contradicted themselves my consciece is held captive to the word of God to go against consciece is neither right or safe I CAN NOT AND WILL NOT RECANT.............. tell me what church or what authority did Martin Luther submit to I will tell you by what authority he and we are to submit to, it is the Word of God. please consider this point Smalcald if Martin Luther held to what you just now sugested there would have been no reformation, furthermore Martin did show that we are to take a stand even if it means we stand alone. please Smalcald give me your thoughts on this One doesn't have to read much of Martin Luthers writing to realize that he had issues. Many of things he wrote were quite vulger.....I cerrtainly wouldn't write them on here for anyone to read. There is a great book called "Luther" by Tan publishing. They used Luthers writings to show what he stood for. Very scary. Hey Pax I dont know about Martin Luthers other writing however had not the refermation taken place The Cathiolic church would probably be still burning people alive for trying to traslate the bible in the common tunge maybe Martin did have issuse however considering the alturnitve the Cathlic church they have the most bloody history over all others.

well to quote Martin Luther himself I am a man and I can error however inless I am convinced by scripture and by plain reason and not by Popes or councails who have so often contradicted themselves my consciece is held captive to the word of God to go against consciece is neither right or safe I CAN NOT AND WILL NOT RECANT.............. tell me what church or what authority did Martin Luther submit to I will tell you by what authority he and we are to submit to, it is the Word of God. please consider this point Smalcald if Martin Luther held to what you just now sugested there would have been no reformation, furthermore Martin did show that we are to take a stand even if it means we stand alone. please Smalcald give me your thoughts on this One doesn't have to read much of Martin Luthers writing to realize that he had issues. Many of things he wrote were quite vulger.....I cerrtainly wouldn't write them on here for anyone to read. There is a great book called "Luther" by Tan publishing. They used Luthers writings to show what he stood for. Very scary. Pax I dont know about Martin Luthers other writings however in these he was right on the mark when it comes to taking a stand against a church who clearly had gone way beyond scripture in fact if the reformation had not taken placet the bible might still only be in latin and people still being burned at the stake for traslating it. I am sorry but the Catholic Donmantion has by far the most bloody history and is unfit to be considered an authority of true Christian virtue. However there are many Catholics that do indeed reflect real Christian virtue and are our brothers and sisters.

well to quote Martin Luther himself I am a man and I can error however inless I am convinced by scripture and by plain reason and not by Popes or councails who have so often contradicted themselves my consciece is held captive to the word of God to go against consciece is neither right or safe I CAN NOT AND WILL NOT RECANT.............. tell me what church or what authority did Martin Luther submit to I will tell you by what authority he and we are to submit to, it is the Word of God. please consider this point Smalcald if Martin Luther held to what you just now sugested there would have been no reformation, furthermore Martin did show that we are to take a stand even if it means we stand alone. please Smalcald give me your thoughts on this

Way to go Pax ones salvation is determined by God and not by st Worm however some seem to just think than know more than they actually do. And so reasoning with them is like banging your head through a brick wall all it does is give you a head ahce

even the Pharisees went beyond the word of God and began teaching the word of men as doctrine and thats why those that fallowed them became a subject for Gahena twice as much think about it Worm