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Respectfully, the RCC is not all the world. "I am come in My Father's name, and ye receive Me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive" (John 5:43). The Pope does not come in another name. Christians have been around for a long time and those that don't want to receive the gospel are looking for something ELSE. I think the anti-christ will be that something else they are looking for. In Dan. 9:27 we are told that the Antichrist "shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease". 8:11, "Yea, he magnified himself even against the Prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away" currently the Muslims have occupation to the land where the temple mount is and it is the 3rd holiest site of Islaam. One thought is, Why would the Catholic church want the temple? They teach replacement theology and that they are the only true church, they have no use for a Jewish temple. The dominion of the Antichrist shall be world-wide. The coming Man of Sin will be unchallenged and universal. "And all the world wondered after the Beast" (Rev. 13:3). "And power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations" (13:7). The duration of Antichrist's career, after he comes out in his true character, will be limited to forty-two months. In Dan. 7:25 we learn that this one who shall "think to change times and laws", will have these "given into his hand until a time, and times, and the dividing of time" In Daniel 7: 25: "He will speak against the Most High and His saints and try to change (the set times) and the laws." The AC beheads any that don't follow him and receive his mark. Hmmmmm, do we know of any other religion that teaches beheading other than one? This antichrist will change the way laws are handled and our system of goverments as we know them to create a one world government. Many and grievous are the errors of the RCC, but they do not deny the Son of God. I think we can see from scripture that he will not be the Pope. Though I would not rule the next pope out for the false prophet.

Somebody better let Enoch and Elijah in on that.

Isaiah 42:5 says "thus says God the Lord, Who created the heavens, and stretched them out, Who spread forth the earth and that which comes fro it, Who gives breath to the people on it, and spirit to those who walk on it.......... so, they can't be the same thing. As far as Matt. 13 goes, the pharisees were looking for a sign, (in ch 12)a visible sign, and Jesus said that the prophet Jonah was the only sign they would get. The disciples had received Christ and has been re-born, so they could see, because the Holy Spirit alone reveals truth to us. The prophets and righteous men that Jesus spoke of had not received the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and therefore could not see the things of the Spirit. It has nothing to do with death, except for spiritual death.

Sir, That has been a rapture verse for me since I was a little girl around 9 or 10. I was raised SDA and told that I would have to take the mark of the beast if I didn't go to church on Sunday. I was terrified that I would be tortured and killed and I was even to the point of wishing I were dead or never born. God gave me that verse one day while reading my bible and I read it over and over and memorized it before I even knew or believed in a rapture. I haven't had a lot of people agree with me on the verse, but I know that I know it is a rapture verse!

bbs- Sorry if I unnerved you. ---NOT! You NEED to see the other person's point of view. Look, I'm not condemning you, as I said from the first post, I sin, we all sin, in different areas, none is bigger than another. God forgives them all and the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all unrighteousness if we ask. That being said, all of the excuses in the world don't change the fact that you put your own feelings ahead of your marriage. "IT's much more than that" Don't you think EVERYONE says that? Your situation is not unique. No temptation has overtaken you that is uncommon to man and God is faithful to deliver you from them all, so stop the sob poor me, ok? Get real with yourself and do what you have to do, tell the truth. The outcome is unknown, but be sure you're sins will find you out, it aint gonna go away. Imagine how much worse it will be when you have 3 kids and 10 years invested in a marriage and then your husband finds out. Do you want that hanging over your head? It will come out eventually. No, I haven't been in your situation, because I have chosen not to be, but those same temptations are always there. My husband is a pill head, addicted to Lortab and worthless for the most part. He doesn't contribute hardly at all to the finances here and I have to work hard to provide for this household. I'm the perfect candidate for a good excuse to have an affair. It's all about Jesus and what He wants. I'm praying for you and your husband. How is your relationship with Jesus?

SDAinFLA, What do you think the spirit is, that returns to God. How would you define it?

SDAinFLA, What do you think the spirit is, that returns to God. How would you define it?

John 17:12 says he was the son of perdition that the scriptures might be fulfilled. Judas was the treasurer and was stealing money from the treasury while he was a "disciple" Jesus said that many false prophets would come in His name, doing signs and wonders and miracles. Acting like you're in the Spirit, doesn't mean you are. Judas was lost from the foundation of the world.

Gerioke, I wasn't saved then. I said we got back together a year after the divorce because I was broke, yep. Honey, I' m talking a 25.00 a week grocery budget, no phone, donating plasma to survive kinda broke. I actually remarried him because we "both" got saved in 2001, I thought it was real, but as soon as we got remarried he went back to the same ole. I do forgive him, whether or not it sounds like it. Forgiveness is a decision, it doesn't erase all of your feelings or remove any scars. I rarely ever talk about this and it's getting me a little nauseas to tell the truth so I might go on to something more uplifting here, the thread isn't about my problems anyways.

David, The WHOLE story, is that I divorced him in 1996. We got back together about a year later because he wouldn't quit begging me and because I was so broke with our two kids it was ridiculous---then in 2001 we got saved and remarried. You can read my testimony in the link. We still have tons of problems, I'm not sure he was ever really saved, sometimes I think he just did it to get me to marry him. He's a jerk and you're right, Jesus is coming soon and so therefore I will keep the faith! Blessings

Well, ok, then, the bible says "Thou shalt not lie" "The truth will set you free" and that you can divorce only because of adultery. BTW, I consider abuse a form of unfaithfulness. Jesus doesn't want anyone abused. So, the poster, who left, wanted to know if she should tell, right? Well, biblically I don't see how she can NOT tell, that would be the same as lying. Then let her husband decide what he wants and she will just be at his mercy. Is that sound advice?

you missed my last post: end of page 6

Well, if the husband can live with his wife sleeping around on him for 8 months, let's see, that is 32 weeks, 224 days, I think.........anyways, it's 70 x 7 and forgiveness is not the issue. As christians we have to forgive, but we don't have to continue to live with someone who is selfish and has more concern for a good time than their commitment to their spouse and God. As I was saying, if he can live with it, more power to him. Wondering how many of you have actually been in this position? 9 years after the fact, I can tell you I don't think my husband has cheated on me anymore, but I do not love him the way I did, and I don't trust him, I probably never will. Yeah, I forgive him, because I have to, and we exist, for the most part, like anyone else, it's just never going to be the same, ever. God intended for 2 people to exclusively share such personal, private actions and when a 3rd party wrecks that it can never be completely whole again. I think it was selfish of my husband to beg me to stay. I'd have been better off on my way. I have put myself in the other place and I know if I had an affair I couldn't just have the audacity to ask my spouse to stay with me, that takes a lack of self respect and respect for your partner, in my opinion. Sorry if it's too close to home for me to be more objectionable than that.

exception of abusive relationship Orr? Where do you find THAT in the bible? Mine says anyone who divorces his wife except for adultery and marries another commits adultery. Matthew 19:9 So, in my leadership position, I stand on the Word.

Babyroses, Not wanting to debate anything.....my personal conviction is that you are saved or you are not. God knows the beginning from the end. He doesn't live in time. Everything that is happening is already done in His view. He knew who was saved or lost from the beginning of time and used them each in His master plan. Judas, for example, was the son of perdition from the foundation of the world. It says that in the bible. So, even though he appeared to be a follower of Christ, he was always lost, never saved and then lost. God knew it and used his life to fulfill His plan. I do not believe in predestination, that God chooses whether or not we are lost or saved, I just believe that He knows before we do. Your salvation is not dependant upon your actions, you can't mess up and lose your salvation. The Spirit bears witness with you if you are a son of God, so you don't have to guess, you just know. If you aren't sure, if you don't feel that security and you want to know, just ask Jesus to save you. Tell Him you know you are a sinner and can never measure up to the holiness of God on your own and are in need of His free gift to make you justified before the Holy Almighty God. That's it, baby! Now, relax and walk with Jesus!

Now see, something like that I could forgive. He didn't cheat on her, he just lied about something that was under the blood and forgiven and frankly, none of her dad's business. I do think that he should have been honest with her before the wedding and I do think he should have told her. Do you know the outcome? Anyways, where we were going with this thread, it looked like I was saying a person should just divorce for infidelity, period. I didn't mean it like that. I know a person can make a terrible mistake, admit it and ask for forgiveness and then if they want to work it out, fine. But this post-topic-starter has been living a lie for 8 months!!!!!!!! Hello!! THat isn't a ooops, that is a determined, conscious effort to screw around on your husband and live with it for almost a year. That's just disgusting and the poor husband deserves better than that. She should spill the beans and have the car waiting in the driveway as she runs out the door. That's my 2 cents, more like my hundred dollar bill worth

Actually, they do believe Jesus ascended to heaven and that Mary was His mother and that she has a part in their salvation...........sound familiar? They pray the rosary beads to Mary and the late Pope prayed with them at Mecca last year and reiterated this common belief. I would go so far as to speculate a possibility of the two religions joining into the new and improved world religion. Come on............what other religion beheads people? The signs are there, we just have to discern them. Bring it on! Let's go home!

Say what? Adultery is the only reason Jesus said one can divorce. I think the topic starter has left, so we are talking amongst ourselves <--see there we are talking to ourselves! Well, Ronald, at least you understand! I don't think you can keep secrets and really be living in a truthful relationship. Silence is the same as lying. Nope, you gotta be honest.

What the heck kind of advice is that????????????????? What happened to the truth will set you free? Honey, we're all human, I don't condemn you or judge you, but I do say, tell your husband, leave him, because he will never get over it and both of you get on with your lives. He deserves someone he can trust and you have to be big enough to let him be happy. My husband cheated on me 9 years ago and I still don't trust him, never will, that is that and I wish I'd left a long time ago. You'll be allright, live and learn. Jesus loves you, BTW I was raised SDA and I understand the whole false church thing and the effect it has on your life and your thinking process. Sorry if I was too harsh.

OK, then..........................Whew! Hey, but the original post was pretty cool, hu???

Johhny, Spiritual applications can not be discerned physically, so Abraham has nothing to do with it, although he was a Gentile. Christ'sfreeservant, Just wanted to add a little note that I had noticed myself in the story of Jacob and Esau: Jacob wanted to marry Rachel but his Father-in-law tricked him into marrying Leah and then he had to work another 7 years to marry his true love, Rachel. There is a lot more, but it is a clear picture of Israel--Rachel and Leah--the church, cool hu? Don't have a lot of time, I'm at work.

All of this is, of course, true. Myself, having belonged to a cult that I was deceived into believing was the one and only true religion, know and understand how the deceived mind works. Thank God, that when I went to visit a evangelical church with my neighbor, I wasn't told that they had the truth and I was wrong. The members accepted me, listened to my garbage, told me what they believed and I was drawn to the Truth by their unconditional love towards me as a lost sinner. I was tolerated and it caused me to dig deeper to prove them wrong, which ultimately proved myself wrong. What would have been the outcome if I had gone there and been told that "This is the only truth, you are wrong, you don't have anything to offer, we are right and you are wrong, end of story and if you don't accept that, then just leave"? I'd still be in the cult.

Amen!! Great post!

Jamal, In case you are still reading: I'm sure it is very hard to figure out what exactly is Christian with the United States as an example. I would venture to say that although this country is stated as being Christian, it is a very poor example of the Christian life exemplified by Jesus Christ. Christianity should be summed up in two commandments: 1. Love God 2. Love your neighbor. That is it. Do all christians do this? Do all people do this? No. As a Christian that is my goal and I will say here that despite all of the critism, I am open to any and all discussion you may have regarding my faith. I will listen to you with open ears and try to answer any questions you may have. I believe that we all have a voice inside that tells us right from wrong. I was raised in a cult and although I was taught to believe and live the way I was taught, something deep inside of me knew it wasn't truth. If you would like to read my testimony you can click at the end of my post and follow the link at my website. If you prefer, you can e-mail me or PM me and we can correspond without all of this negativity. I pray for your people. Do you do that for mine? I remember when the war started in Afghanistan I was so concerned for the refugees that were misplaced and I was so burdened in my heart for them. I cried out to God to please send someone to send them food and while I was praying I "saw" some yellow things falling from the sky and I heard God say, "I will do it." A couple of days later I was watching the news and I saw the airplanes flying over the refugee camps dropping yellow packets of food and I was so excited that God had answered my prayer! I know that God loves you just as much as He does me and I understand His passion for you. Again, I apologize for the harsh reception you have received. I do not share my faith with you by belittling yours. I respect you and will keep you in my prayers. May God richly bless you and show you Himself. Sabra

Jamal, (Sorry if I spelled your name wrong, it was a page or two back) Are you still here or have you left? I started the thread and I'm sorry I'm so busy with work, church and my 3 kids, that I don't get to devote a lot of time here. If you are still hanging around I had a thing or two to say, one being, I'm sorry for some here not making you welcome. I'm thrilled to have you here. I'll check back in a day or so. Blessings, Sabra