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I am sorry but this is nonsense. Isaiah is talking about the Holy Spirit and the role He would play in the life of Jesus. The Holy Spirit is "the Spirit of wisdom and understanding." This was clearly seen in the way Jesus was able to debate the scholars and Pharisees. It was seen in his teachings and in the way managed to escape the intellectual traps the Pharisees tried to lay in order to trip Him up in His words. The Holy Spirit is "the Spirit of counsel and might." This speaks to Jesus' authority being present in His teachings. While the Rabbis spoke "in the name of" this or that Rabbi, Jesus said, "You have read... but I say." It also speaks to Jesus' might over demons, sickness, and disease. Even at the tomb of His friend Lazarus, death bowed the knee to the King of the ages and relinquished the deceased man at Jesus' command. The Holy Spirit is "the Spirit of knowledge and fear of the Lord." Jesus had intimate knowledge of His Father, and His attributes. While no one has seen God at anytime, Jesus had revealed the Father to mankind as went about doing the works of the Father. This also speaks of Jesus' piety, of his reverence for the commandments of His Father. Jesus' life was spent with obedience to His Father as His overriding agenda. Jesus, as the Son of God, only wanted what pleased and glorified the Heavenly Father. Would that we would all have that as our agenda, as well. I don't have time to address the rest of the misinformation in that post. There is something to be said for sound exegesis of Scripture. I suggest you learn about it. Dear Brother You are leaving out to many scriptures and that is keeping you from gaining understanding. There is but one Holy Spirit and God said "I AM" just as Jesus said I AM the beginning and the end. Consider the following verses Eph.4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. The fullness of God was upon Jesus and to take away any of Isa. 11:2 is not giving the same credit to Jesus that the various writers of the scriptures did. The final disposition for man is to be the plural of the following verse and is the hope of your calling spoken of above. 1Tim.6: 4That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: 15Which in his times he shall show, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Re.17: 14These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. The Holy Spirit is a seed in your heart and needs to be watered with the pure water of the WORD and then you (we) can fulfill the prophecy spoken of in the 1st miracle of Jesus. Peace and Blessings Doug

Probably the best place to start would be for you to understand just what God said in Ge.1:26,27 and so I will quote them again Ge.1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Just so that there is no misunderstanding let us also quote the life giving process given to man in the second chapter Ge.2: 7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. God is spirit and when he breathed into Adam, Adam received life and became a living soul. The earth that Adam was formed of was before the curse and the Bible says that all was good so we see Adam made from all things righteous. While Adam remained in that state he worked as a son of God and God worked through him. We have an example of that when Adam named the animals as they lined up for him. Not even the apostles could do that. Only Jesus who was the only other Son of God (singular) in the Bible could do that and gave evidence of it. The fulness of God was upon Jesus and that fulness is what I quoted in Isa.11:2. However the fear of the Lord and the beginning of wisdom is to hate evil (those are facts of scripture) but Adam did not know evil until the fall. God has not desired robots for sons and us learning to choose the good was part of the original plan of God and stated so in Ge. 1:26. Man is made in three parts and they are spirit, body and soul. Spirit is life and God is spirit. God made man in his image when he breathed into (inserted himself) Adam so we can see where the life given to Adam was from God. Man is spirit in a earthsuit (body) so to speak. In the NT we see James giving evidence to that with the statement "the body without the spirit is dead" and Job talked about how "he" was clothed with skin and bones. In that case the "he" is the life in Job (the spirit and the soul that personified it) In verse 27 God stated twice that man was made in the image of God and this is the first time that the law for determining truth is used in the Bible (two is a witness). God did not say that man had been made in the fulness and that would have included the likeness had it happened. The "likeness" part is what is quoted from Isa.11:2. The fact that God said that man would come to be in the likeness of Him is the purpose stated and it will happen at some point in time. Jesus being in the fullness had both the image and likeness and is an example for us. Adam could not understand righteousness until he experienced evil because it takes them both to understand each other. (One compares temperature by hot or cold). We are all descended from Adam through the fallen spirit that he has passed onto all of man that gives us life and it is this spirit that needs to be cast out and replaced with one from above. When you accept Jesus that is just what happened and through the Holy Spirit man can once again understand and hear the things of God. The verses in Ge.1:26,27 are the perimeters that establishes God's plan for man in a manner that we can understand and learn and that is for us to come into His Likeness. That is why the plan for us coming to glory (His Likeness) included Adam falling. It has happened for us to learn from so that we too can learn righteousness. Peace and Blessings Douglas

Amen He took the body of a man back with Him by making it acceptable so that we could approach the throne of grace with confidence. Peace and Blessings Doug

Greetings Again truespirit Worshipping in spirit and truth is a topic mandatory for understanding however is outside the purpose and original intent of this thread. I am new here and if I knew where this topic is the post subject, I would comment on it. When I am a liitle more aware of the forum rules and where I should start a new thread I will do so. Blessings Doug

Verses like these? (Genesis 1:26) Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." (Genesis 3:22) Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, lest he stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever." (Genesis 11:7) "Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another's speech." I believe it Is God showing his plurality for us to know he God is 3 persons yet only one God. Greetings God is spirit and not flesh however the fullness of Him did appear in the flesh. As 7 is the number of completion so do the seven spirits of Isa.11:2 make up the complete likeness of God Isa.11:2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; These are the seven spirits and eyes of God. Through these seven spirits God as one is able to see all and do all. They are the "us" of Ge.1:26. It is a common misunderstanding that this is Jesus talking to God but we must remember that Jesus was a man that did not come into being until 4000 years later. However the spirit that gave Him life was from before the foundations of the earth so when Jesus says that as the Word (God's Word is Spirit) He was there in the beginning we can understand the difference between being present in spirit versus in flesh. A quick summarry of how "us" created man in the image is as follows. The spirt of council sought after knowledge and through understanding gained wisdom. Then with the spirit of might, the spirit of the Lord formed man from the earth as He took council of Himself (the "us"). There was a problem because Adam being formed of only good could not comprehend righteousness since he did not know evil. Some people have a hard time accepting the fact that the fall of man was part of the plan of God to fulfill the second part of His statement. God completed the image part and confirmed it by stating it twice (two is a witness) in the next verse however man coming into the "likeness" is the completion of the second part of that plan. Peace and Blessings Douglas

Greetings and Peace To All We are told that knowledge and wisdom (understanding) will be what it takes to survive (have stability) the times that are upon us. When Jesus asked His Father to forgive them because they did not know what they were doing there is a little more to that statement than first meets the eye. Those who crucified Jesus knew exactly what they were doing and to whom however they were clueless as to why and what the outcome would be. It was the "why" part that caused Jesus to seek mercy for them. People (Christians included) have no idea when they are being led by Satan. He is transformed as a minister of righteousness and appears before us in either or own thoughts or other persons who influence us. We have been given the Word of God to guide us to choose between what is good and what is not but because we are under grace and not being judged by the law the same is expected of us. Had we been judged by the law none of us would be reading this forum. Christians are to quick to tout that they are not under the law because of grace but because grace is of God it has an appointed time. He has appointed times and seasons and they are subject to change and the days of grace will come to an end. Peace and Blessings Douglas

Greetings and Peace To All We are told that knowledge and wisdom (understanding) will be what it takes to survive (have stability) the times that are upon us. When Jesus asked His Father to forgive them because they did not know what they were doing there is a little more to that statement than first meets the eye. Those who crucified Jesus knew exactly what they were doing and to whom however they were clueless as to why and what the outcome would be. It was the "why" part that caused Jesus to seek mercy for them. People (Christians included) have no idea when they are being led by Satan. He is transformed as a minister of righteousness and appears before us in either or own thoughts or other persons who influence us. We have been given the Word of God to guide us to choose between what is good and what is not but because we are under grace and not being judged by the law the same is expected of us. Had we been judged by the law none of us would be reading this forum. Christians are to quick to tout that they are not under the law because of grace but because grace is of God it has an appointed time. He has appointed times and seasons and they are subject to change and the days of grace will come to an end. Peace and Blessings Douglas

No worries. In the ministries in which He chooses to use me, a clean conscience is a must. And there is no room for pride or vanity. Its too close to its original source. Clio Greetings in His Name Amen to the clean conscience and we are told to learn to worship in both spirit and truth. That being said and since we are taught that judgment comes first to the house of the Lord does that not seem to indicate that the tares that are mixed in with the wheat are part of that house? The harvest process for wheat includes threshing but not burning. Threshing in itself denotes beating and that seems to me to indicate that it too can be a somewhat painful experience but we are told that we can expect to be pruned if He determines that more fruit is possible. On the other hand barley is processed by "winnowing" and that is simply allowing the breeze of the air to separate it from the chaff. How nice it is to just have a little coaxing of the spirit (breeze of air) to bring about the desired effect. Now grapes have to be trodden and crushed consequently they denote the final harvest and it is very interesting (to me) that Gideon (who represented barley) was threshing wheat in a winepress. By considering what I have written is it possible that we have either assumed or overlooked to much in the parable that started this thread? Peace and Blessings Douglas