Zildja

The way I see this is The FATHER is the Creator of us all. HE does not care what color you are and we should not eather. That is the easist way for me to explain.

I said nothing like this and left this topic alone because you saw me as a heretic for using YAHSHUA. (((Seems to me like the old argument of someone saying we're actually calling on Zeus when we say Jesus.))) (((Zildja is here to do nothing but post heresy and the sooner he/she is off the boards, the better it will be.))) Wow!!! Everything I have posted is Heresy? Because I said the FATHER's name YAH should be included in the Messiah name. YAH is Salvation. I truly do not understand the Heresy in that. He is Salvation, Yah is Salvation is there that much of a diffrence that I am a Heretic, because I believe YAH is Salvation. I did not tell you you can not Use Jesus, Or lord or God. I just Do not use them. In fact most of the time I use Messiah.

I think That The messiah would agree with Paul But I am not the Messiah and Paul was a Human which is a sinner and makes Mistakes. The messiah is the teacher here alot More then Paul. Plus He might agree with Paul and compleatly disagree with the way his writing were translated. Again I look at the Messiah, not Paul because Paul is Human. I take Pauls writing then Look at the Messiahs example, just like I look at the Old Testament and Look at the Messiahs example. I will have to take some Time to give you an example of what I am Talking about later, I need to take My son to Day care Now

Learn and apply the word of FATHER YAH.

Interesting Yod. (how many of you are spiritual jews now?) The way I see the word Jew, Judah, YAHUDIM, One who praises YAH. I guess I concider myself a spirital Jew or part of spiritual IsraEL, part of the Family of YHWH. Do you eat Unclean food Yod? I do not, and it is very easy for me to do. That is a whole lot easier then tring not to cuss. For me anyway. Are yall like a once saved always saved belief?

(((Titus 1:13That testimony is true. For this reason rebuke them sharply, so that they may become sound in the faith, 14not paying attention to Jewish myths or to commandments of those who reject the truth. 15To the pure all things are pure, but to the corrupt and unbelieving nothing is pure. Their very minds and consciences are corrupted. 16They profess to know God, but they deny him by their actions. They are detestable, disobedient, unfit for any good work.)))) So you are saying that food laws are Jewish myth and commands of man and not YHWH? Youngs Lit. Tit 1:13 this testimony is true; for which cause convict them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith, Tit 1:14 not giving heed to Jewish fables and commands of men, turning themselves away from the truth; Tit 1:15 all things, indeed, pure to the pure, and to the defiled and unstedfast is nothing pure, but of them defiled are even the mind and the conscience; Tit 1:16 God they profess to know, and in the works they deny Him , being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work disapproved. I do not know what version you used, But it was not a word for word. So I posted another.

You know what is cool about this? If she got your E-mail from here she is most likely reading everything you are posting. Yes it is a scam. I have seen this a thousand times. This kinda forum is good for this. Never post any personal information here or on any other forum. It could be much worse, you could have a real nut e-mailing you. If you want to pass personal information find another way. I do not know if that is how she got it or not but that is what usually happens. Sometimes there is alot more then one person working this scam so do not be upset if you get others. Ask her for a phone #, or tell her you want to come see her. Ask for the name of her school. That will be the end of it.

To understand Paul here we must understand that the Corinthians were Pagans it is very obvious that those in Corinth had some major sin to deal with. 1Corinthians 15:34 - Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of Elohim: I speak this to your shame. Let me show you how I look at : 1Co 10:25 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake: 1Co 10:26 For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof. Note verse 26... The earth is YHWH's and all its fullness The reasoning for Paul's stance is that all animals belong to YHWH. Truly the earth and all the animals that dwell therein does belong to YHWH. If we with a pure heart are eating an animal that YHWH has not forbidden us to eat then surely there is no sin in that. The problem was that the believers in Corinth and also in Rome were surrounded by paganism. 1Corinthians 10:27 - If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake. This phrase 'eat what is set before you' is not a new one. Yahshua used it when sending out the seventy: Luke 10:8 - And into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you: Luke 10:9 - And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of YHWH is come nigh unto you. Continuing in 1 Corinthians 1Co 10:27 If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake. 1Co 10:28 But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof: 1Co 10:29 Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man's conscience? 1Co 10:30 For if I by grace be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks? How can this scripture ('the earth is YHWH's and all its fullness') be quoted to support both of these views? Consider that you were eating and one were to tell you that this meat is from an animal sacrificed unto a false idol. By continuing to eat it the person who told you this may think that you don't acknowledge that the earth is YHWH's and all its fullness. Rather they may think that you believe the earth was not created by YHWH. Knowing that all things were created by YHWH is the key to proving that all the idols are worthless because YHWH truly has made all things. 1Corinthians 10:30 - For if I by favor be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks? If we are giving thanks to YHWH for our food, which He has created, we are acknowledging it was He who has given us these things. and not an idol 1Corinthians 10:31 - Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of YHWH. This is the whole point of what is being said to those in Corinth. Even though they do not recognize that an idol is anything, we do not want to eat anything that might cause YHWH to be looked upon with a lesser degree of glory. So as you can see we both have compleatly diffrent way of Looking at Pauls writings. It is not that I am playing some game with you I see scripture diffrently then you do. Plan and simple I see no place in scripture where it states Do not keep the Commandments. Over and over we are told to keep the Commandments. And My name is Zildja not Dildja

I think yall need to back up because I never said that works can save you. I said that the Messiah is our example and that we need to look at how He kept the Laws of his FATHER. Do you agree that HE is our example? Do you agree that HE kept the Laws of HIS FATHER? Can you show me where it say Do not keep my FATHER's commandments. The main Commandments I am speaking about are the Ten Commandments which the Sabbath is part of and we are commanded to Keep the sabbath untill the thousandth Generation. I know for sure that a thousand generations have not gone by yet. Food Laws are about Health and have nothing to do with a ceremony so I do not see how you count that as a ceremonial Law. (((Would Jesus disagree with Paul?))) You all look at Pauls writing a whole lot diffrent then I do. (((It was the "sin" this verse is referring to is reviling, threatening, and basically returning evil for evil. Yeshua did not do those things. The verse is saying that he did not sin in the midst of his suffering, even though He was suffering unjustly. Rather, He put it into the hands of His Father who judges righteously.)))) Yes and we should do the same thing. The messiah is our example and there will come a time when we will go through much of what he did and He is asking us to do as he did, which is not Sin. What I think you do not understand is that the Laws of the FATHER tell us what sin is. We are to have Faith in the Messiah, what is the Messiah? Logos I will go through the links you posted but not at the moment, I am at call at work and need to go in in a few min's Peter has never eaten anything common or unclean. Yet this is many years after The Messiah's resurrection and ascension. If The Messiah had declared all foods clean in Mark 7:19 then why does he still hold to the commandment not to do so? And even go a step furthur and reject the voice that told him to do so??? I think that is a very fare Question. 1Tim 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding] to abstain from foods which The FATHER created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. Now if what Paul is speaking of here is the doctrine of abstaining from eating unclean animals then why does he refer to this doctrine as one of the 'doctrines of demons' ? Is it not a doctrine of of FATHER YAH? It is a Commandment of the FATHER, not a doctrine of demons. 4 For every creature of YHWH [is] good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; 5 for it is sanctified by the word of YHWH and prayer. Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.

Question a wedding is a ceremony should we get married. How about paying tithe should we pay Tithe? It is part of the Old covenent? What part of eating unclean food is a ceremony? Why do you think the sabbath is a ceremony? Can you show me in scripture that these things are ceremonial? (((((Neither passage can be applied to keeping the Sabbath or staying kosher. That is not the issues being raised by the authors, and it is inappropriate to hijack those verses to impose a meaning upon them that they do not mean to convey.)))) Can you show that Peter broke sabbath or eat unclean food? Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously: (1 Peter 2:22-23) This verse starts out with he did not sin, what do you not see in this verse, we are to what as he walked. What is the meaning of sin to you? It seems that churches will take in the tithe but abolished the rest of the Law. Rev 22:14 Blessed3107 are they that do4160 his848 commandments,1785 that2443 they846 may have2071 right1849 to1909 the3588 tree3586 of life,2222 and2532 may enter in1525 through the3588 gates4440 into1519 the3588 city.4172 Rev 22:15 For1161 without1854 are dogs,2965 and2532 sorcerers,5333 and2532 whoremongers,4205 and2532 murderers,5406 and2532 idolaters,1496 and2532 whosoever3956 loveth5368 and2532 maketh4160 a lie.5579

That is not an example of the Messiah eating anything unclean, or even a disciple. And Yod that does not make sence to me because Every instance of sin before the time of Moses is proof that the commandment law already existed. If sin is breaking the law, the law had to exist if sin is to exist. The commandments were for all mankind. If you will enter into life, keep the commandments," Matthew 19:17. The Messiah did not spend His whole life obeying the Ten Commandments, never once breaking them, just so you could be like hard-hearted Israel and ignore them. The fault was and is with the people, not YHWH's Laws."I have kept My Father's commandments John 15:10 and He was our example 1 Pet. 2:21. We either follow His example and obey the commandments or we follow the example of rebellious Israel and disobey them. Psalms 119:123 - Mine eyes fail for thy salvation, and for the word of thy righteousness. Psalms 119:172 - My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness. Psalms 119:160 - Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. 1John 2:1 - My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, the Messiah the righteous. 2 - And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world. 3 - Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 - He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 - But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of YHWH is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 - He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked. 1Cor 10:25Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience, 26for, "The earth is the Lord's, and everything in it."

Sorry Nebula I did not mean to sound snippy, I was explaining what you ask. and the only reason i saw that you did not see this in my first post is if you did not believe what I said.

Yod I would have to agree with you at that point. As I stated the Messiah is our example, If he kept the Law then we should study it see how he kept it and apply it to our life. Simply put if you can show me that the messiah ate pork or anything unclean then so will I, But I can not find that in scripture. 1Jo 2:6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk even as He walked. If the messiah broke sabbath then I would say that it is OK for me to break Sabbath. On the other hand If you can show me that the Messiah did a sacrifice, then I would lean toward sacrifices for me also. But we know that the Messiah had no need to sacrifice, and that he is our sacrifice. As I stated YAHSHUA is our example. I do not care what any other man has done. I only look at what the Messiah has and has not done and how he did it. But you can also not show me where any of the Disciples broke sabbath or ate unclean food. Because it is not in scripture. Even if they did the Messiah is my example for what is right and what is wrong not Man. Do you agree with this Yod? If not why not? quote name='yod' date='Mar 13 2006, 04:33 PM' post='529935'] Oy so much error in the OP and in that last response that I don't know where to begin. The New Covenant is a fullment of the promise given to Israel in jeremiah 31:31 where the Law will be written on our hearts. Is that obsolete at the point it begins? Of course not.... Are we bound to ordinances given to a specific people 3,500 years ago? No The truth is somewhere in between.

The way we are to Keep the Laws of the FATHER is the same as the Way the Messiah Kept them. What did you have a hard time understanding. Unless you do not believe this I made it clear.

3 1/2 on earth what are you talking about? Yahshuah as no basis in biblical Hebrew, and no one who knows Hebrew will support the validity of such a name. The Messiah was never called Yahshuah in His 3 1/2 on earth. Jesus is linguistically sound, and does not represent a perversion of the name of Messiah. It can be shown that it comes from the Name Yeshua. The idea that Jesus is a pagan or perverted Name has been debunked.