kjw47

Hi, I cannot agree with your assertion. Gods kingdom is the only hope for mankind.

kjw47, PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTION !!!!! Yes or NO? Hi, there isnt a yes or no answer within me, God is his judge. And God happened to use two guided 500lbs bombs via the US Airforce to deliver this judgement. Hi, How could one possibly make a statement like that???? Lets take an example from Gods word. The apostle paul spent his early life every day having christians murdered, his jihad against christians. But God had a plan for him, and there isnt a man on earth that can say that maybe God had a plan for Al Zaqarwi in some way, God could turn his heart to love and he could have shown others over there that hatred is straight from satan. So i guess your teaching back then would have been for the christians to shove a sword through Pauls heart and kill him, thus showing God that you have no faith in his judgement or vengence. I feel sorry for you. I guess prayer is the only thing that might help your thinking on such matters. You are saying you will rely on bombs instead of God. IF God had a plan, are you seriously asserting that man ruined His plan? Are you seriously stating that our power can supercede God's? IF you are, then your problem is bigger than pacifism. Likewise, how do you know it wasn't God's plan to kill him using the Airforce? How do you know God didn't want him dead? Look at the evidence and you'll quickly see that God uses militaries in the modern day to accomplish His goals. He hasn't changed one bit because He is God. God still kills people get exact His judgement, and He uses armies sometimes to do this. I do trust God, and I trust that He was pleased with the death of Zaqarwi. As for faith, you have no faith. Faith is showing trust and acting on that trust. Your way is sitting around on your thumb doing nothing while evil men run rampant across the globe. That isn't faith at all and that isn't trust in God, it's in activity that allows evilness. There is a quote that I am very fond of: Now, we must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men. Hi, How little it seems you know of Gods word for examples and utterances. Understand this-- God said for a rich man to enter his kingdom would be like putting a camel through the eye of a needle.--- impossible ( because these are the most wicked on this earth to God. Every govt is made up of rich men. So by the words of wicked men all this death occurs-- truly i tell you God has no part.

kjw47, PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTION !!!!! Yes or NO? Hi, there isnt a yes or no answer within me, God is his judge. And God happened to use two guided 500lbs bombs via the US Airforce to deliver this judgement. Hi, How could one possibly make a statement like that???? Lets take an example from Gods word. The apostle paul spent his early life every day having christians murdered, his jihad against christians. But God had a plan for him, and there isnt a man on earth that can say that maybe God had a plan for Al Zaqarwi in some way, God could turn his heart to love and he could have shown others over there that hatred is straight from satan. So i guess your teaching back then would have been for the christians to shove a sword through Pauls heart and kill him, thus showing God that you have no faith in his judgement or vengence. I feel sorry for you. I guess prayer is the only thing that might help your thinking on such matters. You are saying you will rely on bombs instead of God.

kjw47, PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTION !!!!! Yes or NO? Hi, there isnt a yes or no answer within me, God is his judge.

I am not familiar with this particular passage of Scripture, please provide me with the precise verses if you wouldn't mind. You are beginning to sound more like a "humanist" conspiracy advocate than a Christian to me honestly with statements like this. It is our solid belief in Christ and Christ only that seperates us from other men and their "religions". I don't know of anywhere in the Scriptures where we are instructed to be open to and embrace all other religions. Quite the opposite I am sure. -CC- Hi Friend, i will look into Gods word and try and locate that passage for you, but at present i am not ure of the exact scripture. heres a good passage concerning war-- romans 12:19-- it says-- Do NOT avenge yourselves, beloved but yield place to the wrath, for it is written, vengence is mine, i will repay says God. and at 20-- but, if your enemy is hungry feed him, if he thirsts give him something to drink, for by doing this you will heap firey coals upon his head-- 21-- do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil with the good.-- Not so easy to do in this world when men command you to kill instead.-- now this zaquari is dead he is replaced, and now they say they are coming back over here to do worse than before, so what did it accomplish? luke 6: 31-33

???????? (God bless the "bunker buster", all 500 lbs of it) Hi Friend, i dont feel this is a crusade against muslims, zaquarwi is replaced allready by another, and now they say they are coming back over here to do worse things to the u.s. citizens, and when this occurs, what did the killing accomplish? Hi Friend, To be a christian means to be christlike does it not? Upon Jesus death he said-- Forgive them father they no not what they do, not God bless the swords that will end all of your lives that did this horrific act. Your thinking is in direct opposition to Jesus words.

???????? (God bless the "bunker buster", all 500 lbs of it) Hi Friend, i dont feel this is a crusade against muslims, zaquarwi is replaced allready by another, and now they say they are coming back over here to do worse things to the u.s. citizens, and when this occurs, what did the killing accomplish?

I am not familiar with this particular passage of Scripture, please provide me with the precise verses if you wouldn't mind. You are beginning to sound more like a "humanist" conspiracy advocate than a Christian to me honestly with statements like this. It is our solid belief in Christ and Christ only that seperates us from other men and their "religions". I don't know of anywhere in the Scriptures where we are instructed to be open to and embrace all other religions. Quite the opposite I am sure. -CC- Hi Friend, i will look into Gods word and try and locate that passage for you, but at present i am not ure of the exact scripture. heres a good passage concerning war-- romans 12:19-- it says-- Do NOT avenge yourselves, beloved but yield place to the wrath, for it is written, vengence is mine, i will repay says God. and at 20-- but, if your enemy is hungry feed him, if he thirsts give him something to drink, for by doing this you will heap firey coals upon his head-- 21-- do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil with the good.-- Not so easy to do in this world when men command you to kill instead.-- now this zaquari is dead he is replaced, and now they say they are coming back over here to do worse than before, so what did it accomplish?

Hi friend, Seems to me Jesus said even the wicked love their family and friends, but it was to no avail, because he taught us a greater love, love for all. every human created by our God is our brother or sister persay, we are 1 human family under God, it is men who seperate us with wicked lies. either by the color of skin, or by religion, or by govt. these teach hatred not love.

So do you feel that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi should have been left alone and allowed to continue his "jihad" against the world, and that he was a "casualty of a crusade against Arabs and Muslims"?? Hi friend , i do not have disrespect for our servicemen, i say they are lied to to carry out the orders of wicked men. The muslims dont hate the u.s.a. for no reason friend, we did something first that we werent told, or maybe its a long term hatred because the christians have been warring with them for centuries. remember the crusades.

Yes a heartdead law. not of God. but of satan.

Hi Friend, Yes every act will recieve justice,thats what God was saying when he said an eye for an eye, etc. But he also said-- Vengence is mine. He will dish out justice, not men take it out of his hands,this is where faith in him doing just so comes in. Yes men can do both good and evil, especially the decieved ones. My question is this then: Since God can use justice, why can't He use men to deliver justice? You keep saying, "Prophets were the ones that allowed men to go to war in the OT." Yet, a quick scan shows this only happened in the time of judges. Instead, during the time of Kings, Israel declared war as it wished. God would later support them in this as well. WHy can't God use men to deliver justice via warfare today? Are you saying that showing love to the Nazis would have been better than fighting them? Hi Friend, If the teachers of christians told the christians not to kill for hitler, especially since it ended up brother in christ against brother in christ killing each other, he wouldnt have had much of an army left. What an atrocite occured for the Jews at hitlers hand, yet one fails to realize is that the christians carried out his orders. also the christians sent people to the aztecs and incas and wiped these races God created off the face of this earth, what was their reasoning, those practiced fornication, yet it is written facts of history that while this was being carried out that the teachers back in europe were the number 1 participants at the brothels, Carrying on just as the aztecs and incas. Jesus would tell you that Love is the true answer to every problem on this earth.

Hi Friend, Yes every act will recieve justice,thats what God was saying when he said an eye for an eye, etc. But he also said-- Vengence is mine. He will dish out justice, not men take it out of his hands,this is where faith in him doing just so comes in. Yes men can do both good and evil, especially the decieved ones.

Hi friend, Heres where faith in God rather than in a sword would be useful. I will always have freedom of speech, i got mine from God not death.

If we did not teach our children war, we would cease to exist. In the O.T. era you are referring to, the Hebrew children were constantly warring. Jesus will return as a great Warrior. He and His Armies will slay millions to protect Israel. The "anti-war" position, is simply not Biblical. Actually it is what war does to ones heart, it fills ones heart with hatred for our human brothers whom God also created. An opposite teaching of the Jesus i read about. David was a "Man after Gods own Heart." How many battles did he lead? How many people did he Kill? By your standards he would have been a "man of Hate," not "a man after Gods own Heart." Here is an example, After Jesus died the roman armies surrounded Jerusalem ( about 37 years after or so ) After a while of fighting to try and break through they failed, They got up and left for no reason, The christians who listened to Jesus fled the city, the rest remained, the roman army came right back, broke through the walls and killed over 1 million of the hebrews but according to the written history of men the ones inside the city ran out of food and ate some of their own children. Think about this, the ones who left and did not fight, left family members there to die, they did not stay and help them. so we see on one hand those who listened to Jesus because they loved Jesus ( they also loved their family members ) and on the other hand those who loved their family members but did not listen to Jesus. Yes David fought and killed, from a direct judgement from God through his prophet, Show me this prophet today. Yes Jesus will come and wipe wickedness off of Gods earth by a direct Judgement from God, God is the giver and taker of life.

God Judged those directly through his prophets, which prophet told us it is ok to go kill now? God is the creator he has the right to give or take life, we as the children of God do not. God isnt a pacifist, he sent us his son to teach us love. And in war human beings who stay out of it are killed also, bombs do not discriminate. That is plain murder. And One of the commandments is do not murder. Yes the authorities are allowed by God because this whole world would just be total anarchy without them, yet do they live to do Gods will??? Lets see at present they are kicking God out of Govt. Those who love and do the will of God do not kick him out of any part of their lives, these men are proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that Gods words in revelation are truth--- Satan will lead every kingdom ( govt ) against God. So we as christians must obey their laws and pay taxes,( as long as they dont contradict Gods laws ) it keeps one out of prision according to Gods word. And like i said when our govt dropped A bombs into 2 japanese cities babies,women, grandmothers died, out and out murder. I personally follow one king, Jesus. Yet to stay out of prision, i obey laws and pay taxes. Children, mothers, mothers to be, fathers, grandparents, were all killed on 911. Funny you don't mention those. Only our enemy. Again I say. If you don't like it here, and you don't like what we do. you may leave at anytime. That is one of the freedoms you have thanks to a military who keeps you free and safe from further attacks. Hi , yes they were and as i stated before, when they did these horrific acts they did it because their hearts are filled with hate, and to fill our hearts with hate and return death for death we have become just like them. I do not fear attacks of men, i fear God, God gives true freedom, men do not. You believe that men dying give you freedom, right. All good things come from God, not from men killing one another in hatred. Hatred leads one away from God, Hatred comes straight from the table of demons, there is no part with the table of demons and the table of God. These men who teach you things like men dying give you freedom are corrupt Gods word said. So will a corrupt man lead you in truth? I would never put my trust in such like ones.

Hi Mark777, Yes a very good point you have made. lets look at fruit. In Gods words we find that there is a table of demons and a table of God, wouldnt all agree that one cannot willfully partake of each and be considered to have good Fruits? Heres an excellent way to look at our religion and teachers to see if this fruit is there. Lies, false gods, ( direct from the table of demons ) am i correct? Santa claus ( an out and out lie ) from the table of demons, yet to the world a little white lie, but when God looks down and sees 2 billion people partaking of this lie and associating it with something that is a celebration to the son of God it has become huge. Cupid a false god created by the greeks ( the table of demons ) and then added by the world to a love celebration celebrated by many christians. Jesus said be no part of this world, so i say that a true teacher of God would pound it into the hearts and minds and souls of every christian they teach that one cannot possibly put the table of demons with the table of God, it is totally unacceptable to God or his son. And truly i tell you that if this has not been taught to one by his teacher( religion ) yet ( because it is simple milk from Gods word ) that they do not know God and God does not know them. Instead these types of teachers are there just to tickle ears, Gods word says that his words are sharper than a two edge sword. meaning that when one hears Gods truth it pierces the heart deeply. This world hates truth. God and his son hate with their whole heart soul and mind anything that has to do with the table of demons thus making it totally unacceptable. This is 100% truth.

It would have been much wiser for the christian teachers to tell there followers not to kill their brothers in christ during ww1,ww2, civil war, etc. Then there wouldnt have been much of any armies left to fight. Show me the Jesus that would teach to kill our own brothers in christ on the orders of men who had filled their hearts with hatred. Just how many born again Christians do you believe were in the Nazi armies fighting for the extermination of the Jews? There were probably some, but very few indeed, I assure you. They could have pretty much fielded their full force, if the born again Christians had been completely excluded. Not so the U.S. Army, which had a much higher percentage. If we followed your advice, God would have come to the rescue of the Jews anyway, but we would have brought a sever and terrible judgment upon ourselves for 'looking the other way while the innocent were slaughtered.' PACIFISM MAKES PEOPLE WORSE HUMAN BEINGS, not better. We would all be bars of soap, or someone's lampshade, if such a moronic philosophy had held sway. Even Jesus clearly believed "A STRONG MAN ARMED, KEEPETH HIS HOUSE...." Then why did the apostles not fight or the christians back then? They did as Jesus did, they went all the way to death if needed to by the hands of wicked men, yet the Christians that knew the love Jesus taught, did not fight. Why????? Because they learned war no more and beat their swords into plowshares back then.

Hi Friend, 1 corinthians 6: 9-11-- shows what true repentance is. at 11 it says that-- that is what some of you were.-- See its past tense, not what one does now, but he has repented and stopped practicing the sin. And as 1 John 3 points out-- not one true child of God practices sin. So as i stated before. There is not one mortal man that can tell another mortal man that he is saved, because a mortal man cannot see the true heart, or even know in most cases if that one practices sin.

Thank you Giaour. That was an excellent point. Also praying as this storm approaches your state. There were many monsters in Jesus day, they killed the apostles and yet they did not fight, they went to prision and to death but did not return the same hatred back, even upon Jesus death, he said. Forgive them father they do not know what they do. God allowed the roman govt, were they his? They killed his son horribly. Jesus showed us , keep giving love all the way to death if thats what this world dishes out, and his followers did just that, These are the true children of God.

God Judged those directly through his prophets, which prophet told us it is ok to go kill now? God is the creator he has the right to give or take life, we as the children of God do not. God isnt a pacifist, he sent us his son to teach us love. And in war human beings who stay out of it are killed also, bombs do not discriminate. That is plain murder. And One of the commandments is do not murder. Yes the authorities are allowed by God because this whole world would just be total anarchy without them, yet do they live to do Gods will??? Lets see at present they are kicking God out of Govt. Those who love and do the will of God do not kick him out of any part of their lives, these men are proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that Gods words in revelation are truth--- Satan will lead every kingdom ( govt ) against God. So we as christians must obey their laws and pay taxes,( as long as they dont contradict Gods laws ) it keeps one out of prision according to Gods word. And like i said when our govt dropped A bombs into 2 japanese cities babies,women, grandmothers died, out and out murder. I personally follow one king, Jesus. Yet to stay out of prision, i obey laws and pay taxes.

Hi friend. God judged those people in the ot to death directly through his prophets, and alot of the times angels did the killing, or he confused them to kill themselves. Then He sent us Jesus who taught all to love ones enemy, so i ask you can you blow the head off of someone you love on the orders of men who in Gods word clearly shows that in the last days ( if you believe we are here ) In his book of revelations God tells us all that-- satan will lead all kingdoms ( govts ) against God. So then if we are taught that these govts are actually Gods then why will satan be leading them against God??????? And why will there outcome be this Daniel 2:44. God does not crush what is his. And as i said, these are filling somes hearts with hatred for a brother who is decieved by satan, who then taught and filled his heart with hatred towards us. if we do as our enemy we are our enemy. The same Govt ( ours ) that sent brothers in christ to kill brothers in christ in ww1,ww2, the revolutionary war, the civil war. You see the Jesus i know would never let that be. It is LOVE that conquers all , not bombs or bullets. When Jesus was talking "loving your enemy," He was not teaching pacifism. Jesus was talking about how to respond to personal insults. He was not establishing foregin policy. "Love your enemy" was not a prohibition against all violence, but had to do with how we manage interpersonal relationships. If my enemey slaps me on the cheek (insults me), I am not to return insult for insult. This has nothing to do with the context of war, and does apply to how a government responds to viable threat to its citizens. That does not mean I cannot defend my family to death if need be. It is a false premise that responding to violence with violence makes both entities morally equivalent. As for governments belonging to God... Here is what the Bible says: Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. (Romans 13:1-4) You cannot equate the current governments with those nations that Satan will decieve after his 1,000 year imprisonment. The context is completely different, and they will be completely different governments than what we have today. You cannot compare our situation today, with what will be in existence after the millennium. They two completely dynamics. The fact remains that our government's responsibility to the safety of its citizens, and that includes going to war if necessary. The Bible is not anti-war. Pacifism is not Christian. Gods word teaches us that in Noahs day God judged 99% of the human race to death, not life. Why/ VIOLENCE, and also compared these last days to Noahs day. God hates violence, so do his children.

It would have been much wiser for the christian teachers to tell there followers not to kill their brothers in christ during ww1,ww2, civil war, etc. Then there wouldnt have been much of any armies left to fight. Show me the Jesus that would teach to kill our own brothers in christ on the orders of men who had filled their hearts with hatred.

Hi Friends, At 1 john 3 especially 9,10 it is saying this-- Those who practice righteousness are the children of God, and cannot possibly practice sin, those who practice sin are the devils children---- Now we all sin, but all do not practice it according to Gods own inspired words found at 1 John, This is like a mirror for all of us to look into now and again to be certain that we are Gods children. Only Gods children will recieve salvation and Grace period. The reason these are a free gift is because the fact that we do sin, but do not practice it. So if a mortal man tells you that you are saved, yet you are a practicer of sin ( iniquities, lawlessness )( he is a deciever that does not know God ) Jesus will be speaking these words to those on judgement day Matthew 7: 21-23. And i promise you that you do not want to hear Jesus speak these words to you.

Hi friend. God judged those people in the ot to death directly through his prophets, and alot of the times angels did the killing, or he confused them to kill themselves. Then He sent us Jesus who taught all to love ones enemy, so i ask you can you blow the head off of someone you love on the orders of men who in Gods word clearly shows that in the last days ( if you believe we are here ) In his book of revelations God tells us all that-- satan will lead all kingdoms ( govts ) against God. So then if we are taught that these govts are actually Gods then why will satan be leading them against God??????? And why will there outcome be this Daniel 2:44. God does not crush what is his. And as i said, these are filling somes hearts with hatred for a brother who is decieved by satan, who then taught and filled his heart with hatred towards us. if we do as our enemy we are our enemy. The same Govt ( ours ) that sent brothers in christ to kill brothers in christ in ww1,ww2, the revolutionary war, the civil war. You see the Jesus i know would never let that be. It is LOVE that conquers all , not bombs or bullets. What you don't seem to understand is that people like AlZarqawi do not respond to love. What are you a misplaced hippy? This a man who beheaded Amricans..These people did nothing wrong. I can't believe this. We are suppose to just take what the enemy gives out and do nothing. Okay...tell you what...why don't you go over to Iraq and love the ones that attacked us on 911. Just leave your dental records so your family can identify you..they usually don't leave much after they get through with you. God doesnt look down on this world and see just americans, he sees a human race within all nations. And in your reasoning what about all the brothers in christ who killed each other in the other wars i pointed out, could there hearts be moved by love or was killing them on the orders of men the answer. And what do our bombs and bullets leave of them???? two wrongs never will make a right. I can see the hatred building in your heart, Jesus taught us the opposite. Who do we as christians love and listen to first, men whos hearts are filled with hatred or Jesus, one cannot do both.