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The american dream, is this not to get rich. This leads one away from God. Matthew 19:24

Hi Friend, the JW,s doctrines come from the bible. Lets look at this one--- Jehovah is the true living God, Jesus is Gods son, Jesus is not God. Your teachers teach you the opposite. Lets see what Gods word and Jesus say about this--- John 17: 1-6 Jesus is praying to his father ( Jehovah ) and calls the father-- THE ONLY TRUE GOD-- Backed up by Paul at 1 corinthians 8:6-- THERE IS ONE GOD TO ALL, THE FATHER--- And we find at revelation 3:12-- Jesus is speaking these words. And in front of the eyes, ears and hearts of all creation Jesus stresses the fact 4 times that he has a God-- Now does Gods word ever teach that God has a God?? The only defense these trinity religions have is John 1:1--- here is a fact that you are never shown by your teachers--- TRANSLATED FROM HEBREW TO ENGLISH IT READS LIKE THIS-- in the beginning was the word, and the word was with the God and the word was god. The hebrews used the word HO=THE when they spoke of the true living God.-- so we can see Jesus was not being called the God. Now since we all know that Jesus said that his sheep here his voice, and Jesus himself told us his father is the only true God, why do so many listen to opposite teachings??

1 timothy 6:16 -

Even the rocks know better than jesus ever lied. How does one become so confused on such matters.

That is 100% true. A gift must be received and we were all children of wrath before we received the gift of salvation. Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Ephesians 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. Grace (unmerited favor) must be freely received or there can be no salvation. Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. Hi Friend, yes those who believe on the lord Jesus will be saved, But God through his writers also said-- Those who do the will of God remain ( be saved ) And Jesus said-- This means eternal life ( be saved ) their taking in knowledge of you the only true God and the one whom you sent Jesus Christ. ( This means true knowledge not false knowledge ) Also God said-- Those who endure till the end will be saved. So one must apply all of these teachings from the word of God in the case of getting eternal life. And since God told us through Paul at Hebrews 10:26 There is no sacrafice ( Jesus blood ) for those who practice sin. You can do 99% but if you practice sin ( willfull sin ) iniquities, lawlessness, Jesus sacrafice was not for you. Why you may ask, Because that one stepped left or right of the narrow gate. Jesus is allready in the narrow gate. only those who enter the narrow gate will recieve grace, salvation. These are the children of God. And at 1 John 3:9-10 ( this is a mirror for all of us to peer into. ) It tells all who they really are to God. And i tell you this truly-- There is a book of life, only God knows the names written in it. No mortal man has ever seen these names or this book. Not one mortal man alive can read anothers true heart, only God can read the true heart. Not one mortal man truly knows if his brother practices sin or will in the future, so i tell all. Not one mortal man can tell another he is saved. this is reality my friends, God has given us a scale persay to weigh the outcome for our lives and it is this-- for 70- 90 years of life now we can practice sin and kid ourselves that we are saved or live to do Gods will with our whole heart soul and mind, and love our brothers and sisters even our enemies Jesus said. and we will recieve trillions upon trillions upon trillions of years ( still just a drop in the bucket where it concerns eternal life) The choice is ours. But true knowledge is a must.

Hi Friend, one must consider this, That the children of God are the only ones who get this grace, the children of the devil will not get this or salvation.

Hi, Obviously if one keeps on doing a sin he doesnt do it because he hates doing it, to God anyways. There is a list at 1 corinthians 6: 9-11-- Drunkards ( probably drugs to since Paul said the word Pharmacia was the way the demons could enter a human ) adulterers, men who lie with men ( homosexuality ) fornicators( men who have sex with a woman out of the marriage arrangement) revelers, idolotors, thieves,greedy persons, extortioners,--- see at 9 it says WILL NOT ENTER GODS KINGDOM ( this is where eternal life is ) and in 11 it says-- this is what some of you were ( past tense ). This is Gods reality. God said those words through his inspired writer.

I totally agree. That's why I'm OSAS. And you never did answer my question. But I'll move on. Hi Friend, no one knows it doesnt say if they were saved. but this is obvious truth, These did powerful works in Jesus name ( do any of us do powerful works in Jesus name? ) Obviously if someone is doing powerful works in Jesus name, they think they love Jesus very much, in their hearts, minds, and souls, but they practiced sin, Jesus called them workers of iniquities= practiced sin( 1 John 3:4 ) and he confessed that he NEVER knew them, These were told ( had their ears tickled ) you are saved. But the opposite is truth. In Noahs day there were 8 children of God alive out of all of mankind. 99% minimum were the children of the devil, God compared these days with Noahs day.And God said-- The road is narrow, few will find it. one way to be positive is to make sure of all things. satans #1 way to mislead mankind has always been by transforming into an angel of light by posing as god in false religions.

Hi Friend, Sometimes it is called willfull= meaning that one knows it is sin and yet does it anyways, says i am sorry, then does it again, then says i am sorry, then does it again, etc-- truly this one is not sorry to God. How can one put on the new and then look back and do, in reality this one has not put on the new. they are likened to Lots wife. By the judgement of God Lot lived, His wife died. She looked back. She didnt even have the opportunity to commit a sin, but in her heart it was her true desire. God the only reader of hearts, the only one who has the book of life, no man has seen the names written in this book, no man can tell another that he is saved because he cannot read hearts.

Hey, a point of agreement! But really, nearly 80 pages and no end in sight looks like something to walk away from. Hi Friend, alls it takes is listening to Gods word over men.

I'll tie up this one loose end. You did not answer my question. Were the people in that passage never saved (as you stated) or once saved and then lost (as you also stated). These two things are contradictory; both cannot be true. Either they were never saved or they were once saved and then lost. Which is it? "one can be saved and then turn to the practice of sin" Nobody denies this. "I have know some who..." Anectodal evidence. I could as easily say that I know people who reject OSAS (like Roman Catholicism) yet sin like the devil because they can just confess it. OSAS is not the problem, since both extremes practice sin and ask repentance. "Once saved always saved is a false teaching" That is the issue being debated. Debates are not won by simply asserting a premise, over and over. "Gods word clearly shows that those who practice sin are the children of the devil." Again, nobody denies this. And both CS and OSAS believers practice sin and ask forgiveness, day after day. Hi Friend, But at i John 3: 9-10 it clearly says that a true child of God cannot practice sin, instead these practice righteousness. Repentence is the stopping of doing the sin, not doing the sin and saying i am sorry and keeping that process going. As i showed, God said through his writer Paul at Hebrews 10:26-- That there is no sacrafice ( Jesus sacrafice ) for those who practice sin. God told all of us this. And if one loves Jesus one listens to his voice at Matthew 7: 21-23. He will confess he never knew the workers of iniquities ( lawlessness ) And that is practicers of sin. So as i stated not one mortal man can tell another he is truly saved because he cannot read the true heart, nor know if that one will become a practicer of sin or still is a practicer of sin. Also at 1 Corinthians. this is a list of some sins and says -- those that do these sins will not enter into Gods kingdom, and goes on to say that this is what some of you were ( past tense )-- repentence is not doing sin and saying i am sorry over and over again. Right there with that past tense clearly shows that repentence is the stopping of doing the sin. This is what God says through his writers. So again i beseech all-- MAKE SURE OF ALL THINGS. ETERNAL LIFE MAY DEPEND ON ALL OF US DOING JUST THAT. We do not want to hear these words from Jesus to us on judgement day( matt 7: 21-23)

Hi Friend, There is no christian saved that has not repented first if he is a practicer of sin. At Hebrews 10:26-- God told us through Paul that there is no sacrafise ( Jesus sacrafice ) for those who practice sin. That is what God says.

Hi, Actually repentence blots out sin, Salvation is a free gift because we all sin, but not all practice it.

Hi Friend, At 1 John 3: 9-10 says a child of God cannot practice sin, He practices righteousness instead. But the ones who practice sin, or hate their brothers are the devils children. Like i said a couple of times allready no mortal man can tell another he is saved, because that one could go practice sin willfully after the fact and be turned into a child of satan. No child of the devil will recieve salvation or grace.

In the first quoted section above, you stated that the "workers for Jesus" who weren't saved were in that deluded state because of the teaching of OSAS. This clearly implies that OSAS is to blame. But if you understand that these were never saved at all, how can you blame OSAS for it? The only people to blame would be those that preached a false gospel, one that never saved in the first place. This is NOT OSAS. OSAS never teaches a false gospel, that people are saved by anything other than faith alone in Jesus alone. However, CS does teach something false: that eternal life isn't eternal, that the promises of God aren't really promises, that salvation has to be maintained by our own power. Those people you say "willfully chose to sin" (your opinion) because they were told OSAS, and this is patently false. You can't have it both ways: that they were never saved (as you say in the second part of the quote), but that they were also once saved but then lost. Which is it? Hi Friend, Yes one can be saved and then turn to the practice of sin, or even have hatred in their heart for their brother. I have know some who thought once saved always saved, and used that as a license to sin. They willfully sinned, yet could have been in a saved state prior to their willfull sin. Once saved always saved is a false teaching. Gods word clearly shows that those who practice sin are the children of the devil.

Hi. The Mat. 7 passage contains this key phrase: "I never knew you!" These people were never saved in the first place. They did all the right things but for the wrong reasons: they never had the Spirit in them. Keep in mind the context: Jesus is speaking to the Jews, before the cross. Likewise, Mat. 24:9-14 refers to how people will have treated the Jews during the coming Tribulation, not the Judgment Seat of Christ. He is still talking to Jews, before the cross, and about a time when God's attention will have turned back to Israel after the times of the Gentiles is over. As for not being able to read another's heart, nobody disagrees with that. But that has nothing at all to do with OSAS. You have again brought up the common but false charge of "license to sin". Nobody in OSAS says such a thing, and scriptures were already cited to back that up. Conversely, the CS (conditional security) group, by making this charge, implies that they consider themselves good enough in God's eyes to merit their salvation-- as if they don't commit sin! CS is nothing short of salvation by works and confidence in the flesh. Hi Friend, Yes you are correct they were never saved, the problem is is that they were told they were saved by their teachers. The only ones who will recieve salvation and grace are the children of God, i never said they had a license to sin, they willfully chose to sin. Jesus spoke to all who desire to serve God, and he said -- Man does not live by bread alone but by every utterance from God.

Yes 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, NOR DRUNKARDS, nor revilers, nor extortioners, SHALL INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD. Congradulations. Now you called God a liar because he says no drunkard shall inherit the Kingdom of God. He makes no exceptions for those who accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior. Would you like to change your view or go for your second strike? Hi Friend, it goes on to say-- this is what some of you were ( past tense ) All can repent, repentence blots out sin- acts 3:19)--- No not one practicer of sin will recieve Jesus sacrafice-Hebrews 10:26)-- One must repent- the stopping of doing the sin-- not doing the sin and saying i am sorry and repeating this process through life.

... which is why it's so important not to just do a cursory reading of the Bible. Hebrews 5:11-6:12 We see the writer in ch. 5 expressing frustration at the people's lack of spiritual growth. In ch. 6 he tells them they must move on past the basics instead of getting stuck there. He then warns them about the consequences of never progressing, which can lead to their becoming "useless ground" that will be burned. Note the parallel to Paul's illustration in 1 Cor. 3 of how believers will have their works judged, by burning, and how we can lose everything but ourselves. Further weight is given to this whole section being about judgment of believers' works by verse 9, where the writer contrasts the preceding warning with "things relating to salvation". So he directs his warnings against becoming useless to the same people he is convinced are saved. After this, he returns to the discussion on Melchizedek. In the past I held to a more popular interpretation that treats this as a hypothetical situation. In other words, if it were possible to lose salvation, you could never be brought back and saved again. Another view is that this is only directed at 1st century Jews who were in danger of returning to legalism, but that's a pretty weak argument IMHO. Hebrews 10:19-39 Chapter 10 begins with a discussion of the powerlessness of the law and animal sacrifices to save anyone. But in verse 17 we see that once our sins have been forgiven, there is "no longer any offering for sin", which is the object of the "therefore" of verse 18. We have confidence by the blood of Jesus because we have been forgiven. It goes on to speak of assurance and our having been washed and sprinkled and purified, all in the past tense. Then in verse 26, we see the flip side of "no more sacrifice for sins": if we deliberately keep on sinning after having "the knowledge of the truth" we can expect the wrath of God. But what is this judgment? Physical death or spiritual death? Loss of rewards and blessings, or loss of salvation? Does "knowledge of the truth" equate to salvation, or only hearing the gospel? To answer that, we can ask more questions: Was Jesus' sacrifice enough to pay for ALL our sins or not? If it was, and I believe this is what the Bible teaches, then I couldn't possibly commit sins he didn't pay for. So the language concerning "no more sacrifice for sins" couldn't possibly apply to someone who has been saved, and therefore "knowledge of the truth" cannot refer to salvation here. (The difference between this passage and chapter 6 is that the people of chapter 6 had "become partakers of the Holy Spirit" etc.) In verse 30 we see that "The Lord will judge his people". Did they cease to be "His people" when they were judged? Or did they just suffer because of their unfaithfulness? Replacement theologists will insist that since they believe the church replaced Israel, that God indeed abandoned his people and they are no longer his. But I reject this view and believe God made unilateral promises to Israel that cannot be broken, even by Israel's unfaithfulness. So if God's wrath can burn against his people without his abandoning them and disowning them, can he not also bring judgment and wrath upon his adopted children without casting them away? In verses 35-36 we read that confidence has great reward and that endurance will let us receive what is promised. This is "deeds/rewards" language, not salvation language, for salvation is a gift. Nothing can be both a gift and a wage, so if salvation is a gift it cannot be connected with rewards at all. These are very difficult passages, and we'll never resolve OSAS in this life, but I think there's enough to assure me that Jesus did pay for all my sins and I can never commit one he didn't pay for. So I have absolute confidence of reaching heaven, not because of my own goodness, but because of Jesus' sacrifice for me. Once I accepted that payment, it was credited to my account, and I can never empty it. Hi Friend God said through his inspired writer at--1 john 3:9-10-- That the workers of righteousness are the children of God, and cannot practice sin. Practicers of sin are the children of satan.--- And Paul said that there is no sacrafice ( Jesus sacrafice ) for those who practice sin at Hebrews 10:26-- John said at-- 1 John 3:4 that sin is iniquities ( lawlessness in some bibles ) 1 John 3:6 Do not practice sin.( all utterances of God through writers.) Believe God-- you do not want to here these words from Jesus on judgement day. Matt 7:21-23--- You see all these were told they were saved by their teachers, they even did powerful works in Jesus name ( out of a very powerful love for Jesus no doubt ) And when one puts these teachings of God and his son together with Matt 24:13 One must conclude that no mortal man alive can tell another that he is saved. That mortal man would have to be able to read anothers true heart. all the way till the end. impossible. So what does one think the problem was for those powerful workers for Jesus-- practiced sin. because they thought once saved always saved.

Based on the inference "he is willing to take it away and may well do" - thats TWICE youve brandished God a liar. Fortunately Peter having denied Christ three times was later given chance to three times prove his love. Aren't you glad God is so forgiving? Hi Friend, At Hebrews 10:26-- God said through his inspired writer Paul-- that there is no sacrafice ( Jesus sacrafice ) left for those who willfully practice sin. Believe God. Yet like Peter who repented was forgiven. Repentence is the only way to get sin blotted out. ( acts 3:19 )--- repentence is the stopping of doing the sin, not sinning and saying i am sorry and then repeating that process.

Hi Rachel. i know a couple that was kind of in your situation, the man was a christian but his wife wasnt, i wish he was here to speak to you, but it took 20 years of him holding fast to his faith in God ( and i am sure 20 years of problems) but by his faith and example his wife became a christian. Alls we can do as your friends is pray and and have faith that God will give you the strength to hold on to your promise to God of this marriage. The only biblical reason given in Gods word for a divorce is adultery. I know that your problem is likened to a mountain by Jesus, but faith the size of a mustard seed will move this mountain. Sometimes things seem like an impossibility to us but all things are possible with God, Hold on to your faith in him always. We are here for you also, All of us have some kind of mountain in our lives and we all need each other as well as needing God to make it through, none of us can do it alone. Keep the faith Rachel. In the end you will have been strengthened possibly to be able to move some other mountain. You are in my prayers.

That's what I'm talkin' about brother !!!!! kjw47, your dream is admirable though unrealistic. Your use of Scripture out of context is useless. Your inability to answer questions directly without utilizing subterfuge gets your points across to noone. Your prophecy use is also scattered and useless. You should go back to your Bible, study up a little harder, and pray that the "true light" will be revealed to you. Satan has obviously blinded you to it with this ridiculous philosophy and theory that you possess. Keep dreaming that your Jesus though "friend", when you wake up though I fear you'll in reality be surrounded by your pagan Islamic brothers not your Christian ones. -CC- Do you mean pagan things like a false pagan God named cupid added to a christian holiday, or the pagan practices of colored eggs and the easter bunny? My assertions are the truth friend. i have studied for years about the different religions and history. thats why i made sure of all things. I showed many points straight from the mouth of God through his writers so i will end this disscussion on my part anyways. Hopefully we can speak of other matters on other subjects.

Hi Friend, Gods word clearly shows from Daniel and revelations, that the two headed wild beast( last world power ) goes into the middle east after the hidden gold ( oil ). It is going down under this worlds eyes but as Gods word stated and compared it to Noahs day, The world took no note. They couldnt see these events occur, Why?? because they were decieved with lies.

I do not fear going to God whatsoever, What legitimate Govt is that. Do you mean the one that God says will be lead against God at the hands of satan. and all who support it in their hearts.

Hi, I cannot agree with your assertion. Gods kingdom is the only hope for mankind. How does God set up his kingdom? WAR. Read Revelation, please!!!! Hi Friend, I know the book of revelation. God judged this war in revelation to be. It also says, satan will lead every kingdom ( govt and armies ) against God. Can we truly in our hearts support both and be of God?