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Hey guys! i was talking to a distant friend on msn messanger last night, he is an unbeliever but is almost there if you know what i mean We were talking about how i am a Christian, and we actually had a very mature, decent conversation both sides respecting and listening to one another. He is very open to the idea of becoming a follow of Christ. I answered what i could. I thought u guys could shine some light on this and help me. I told him i would email him and follow up on it. This is some of the msn conversation, and the questions he so desperately wants answered. (names have been changed) sam says: yea, but what do you believe, because every Christian I know has very different beliefs this side of brightness says: that you can have an amazing personal relationship with Jesus Christ and have him impact your life in ways u would not begin to believe and that Jesus is the son of God. sam says: real world impacts? or just psychological, like "I feel good today"... sam says: like god made a copy of himself in human form, for us to torture and murder so that he could convince himself to forgive us for not being the way he intended us. Even though he knew it would turn out that way? this side of brightness says: seeing people set free from there past, healing, freedom, Jc is like a friend you get to know on earth like..the more time u spend with him the more u get to know him and the more u become like him...i dont mean that in a vain way because nobodys perfect but u get his heart and his mindset and all those good things that are of God sam says: I'm not trying to offend you by the way, I'm just asking the questions to the things that would stop me from becoming Christian sam says: Another thing is, You believe in free will right, that we make our own choices independent of the rules of the universe this side of brightness says: yeah fully man i believe in freewill we have a mind and a soul a spirit and emotions God didnt want robots walking the earth this side of brightness says: life without God can only take u so far sam says:And God is omniscient right? this side of brightness says: a relationship with jc can take you further than you thought you could ever go this side of brightness says: God is omniscient yes this side of brightness says: they are all the same this side of brightness says: father son holyspirit samsays: but, if god is omniscient, and we have freewill...isnt that a logical fallacy? If god knows everything, he knows the choices we would make before we were born, so they were never really our choices to make.... sam says: but people of other religions tell me the same thing sam says: and no one can ever answer my questions sam says: if you can answer my questions then I'll have no choice but to believe samsays: I cant force myself to believe something that is unbelievable to me. sam says: I can join you in your mosh pit at your church sam says: oh yea, and what about Jesus saying not to practice religion in public, you should keep it private and not show off? this side of brightness says: he knew the choices, but he didnt make them for us... its like reading the paper, we know what happened, but we had no control over them sam says: that means I was destined to make those choices samsays: it was inescapable before my birth this side of brightness says: correct this side of brightness says: born into a sin stained and fallen world this side of brightness says: but the choice still remains in each human being sam says: choices we could never choose sam says: god would know my ultimate choice before I've ever made it sam says: before I've decided sam says: ...it just doesnt work, its 2 opposing arguments that come into conflict this side of brightness says: i guess thats where faith comes into it this side of brightness says: and you cant really have faith until you know that you know that God is real in your life samsays: I have to go soon, but I like talking to you, maybe one day you can convince me your right and I'll join you, But if I dont change, I want you to know that athiesim isnt all gloomy like many people think, athiesim doesnt define anything about you, just that you cant believe in God. My outlook on life is very positive, and when I read about the world, and the way the universe works, it blows my mind and I feel uplifted sam says: but I'm not trying to destroy your faith or anything this side of brightness says: well keep ur heart open ill pray for you this side of brightness says: god knows our decisions and choices, but he does nothing to change them even if they are bad in his eyes, essentially life is ours to loose... we have to make the decision if we want to keep it and the decision if we want to keep it is to accept that jesus died on the cross to take the punishment for our sins, if we dont accept that then we will have to pay ourselves sam says: but knowing what the outcome is going to be and choosing not to alter it still does not make it free will. Its like choosing not to stop the ball rolling down the hill let me know your thoughts on his questions please! this is a soul that hopefully will be destined for Heaven! Amen!

the only way to do that is change my emails and phone numbers. thanks guys.

and if you read that and your heart sinks and you go man he sounds like he's being friendly his trip to hospital was all her fault yourv'e fallen into my trap. I've fallen for emails like this too many times. He's trying to make me feel sorry for him (but yet it's still my fault) and diagnose me with the same thing he has so we have a common bond. He knows for a fact that i am going to church regularly but he wants to be one on the up. The last time he text me i told him to leave me alone and not to contact me. If he ended up in hospital over that then how is that my fault?

sorry i logged in at 2am the privacy act definantly skipped my mind. There is only a tiny handful of people on here from New Zealand but i guess he could track me down that way. I do find it hard to "respect this guy" after the way he has treated me. I can forgive but i cant forget.

awh....lol I thought my post was starting arguments for a minute there! I got an email from this guy today. (which i havn't replyed too)........ "I ended up in hospital last Thursday, it was hard to handle those things you said to me. I was diagnosed with this. I think you might have the same. http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publication...-disorder.shtml Going to church regularly and hope you are to. I am doing the best i can ******" -***** ________________________________________________________________________________ ________________________

patricia do you mean that this faithful christian can become possessed? or just oppressed?

I've read up alot on possession and oppression if you type it into google there are alot of good christian websites out there that seem to share the same view based on scripture. I have been oppressed myself at 18 i opened the door and i wont go into detail but i know what i did I earned myself a double whammy there. My mum went thru the same spiritual battle at 40 (generational curse) I dont know if you have experienced being oppressed to the limit but it is literally hell on earth i wouldn't put it on my worst enemy. I have seen unbelievers come to know God and have had fits and convulsions and screaming when the holy spirit came upon them. I have heard testimonys of people levitating and speaking but not of there own voice spitting out objects etc..that is pretty bad possession i dont think a believer could ever experience such things. I prayed in tongues day and night i went to say the name of Jesus as i know there is power in just his name and i couldnt open my mouth i thought it and was instantly released. I was not left alone for 5 mins and this went on for close to 3 months i was a mess i ended up trying to commit suicide i called on the name of God in desperation and cryed out to him from the pit of my stomach. I was told to respect my parents (simple as that) and i started to get better. People have said to me God must have an amazing plan for your life as the enemy only taunts people who are a threat to him but mum went thru the same thing (she experienced incest and her father was a member of the masonic lodge which i dont know to much about) and she lives a quiet life and is a caregiver for the elderly. I think satan taunts the easy targets who are vunerable. Sorry for being so heavy duty but i know i can be honest on here and if i can help someone else then great.

thanks "dare to believe"

thanks patricia i will cut those ties. I start a course in my church next month called "cleansing streams" you may of heard of it? It's not going to be easy but i know it's something God wants me to do.

I remember him texting me and telling me he did have a demon hanging around (I cant tell if he is possessed so I'll go with oppressed) and that he could feel something behind him right then (at that moment) i can see him switch like light and day with this and it has an effect on me for example he might be friendly and kind then out of know where he will start picking on me yelling at me and will say anything he could to bring me down and make me feel inadequate. Then if i said anything in response to this i was a "sh*t stirrer" or "starting arguments" so i am always the bad guy then he would tell people these things imagine someone trying there hardest to cut down a tree and then when it finally falls to the ground they protest that it wasn't them and they had no part it in?. I'm standing there going what just happened? He pursues and pursues (and this comes out of nowhere) until he gets a reaction or u break down and you cant take it anymore and your left in a heap balling your eyes out and waiting for him to use whatever you say against you. See as i am writting this i am full of haterd towards him i know it's wrong but i tryed to help this guy! i was the only person in his life that saw his true colours and stuck around i was holding onto that 1/3 of him. Now the closer I'm getting to God the more i look back and see how stupid i was

thankyou thankyou thankyou I study your replies in depth and you are right everytime (of course) I am much happier, i still feel sad that i wasted hours and hours on this person and thankyou for the people who said they could relate to me it's always nice to have that extra support and knowing that your not the only one! I dont see any good fruits from this experience but i have learnt a few lessons. He came into my life clothed as "the one" "my perfect guy" This guy did pull me into sin i ended up loosing my virginity to him at 23 (i had waited that long!) and i regret it so much it was horrible there was no love or respect or anything involved it was like i was a nobody to him he didn't make me feel loved or special there was no effort there it was cold. I didnt sleep with him when we were going out but over a year later i let him back into my life and i did i cant understand why or how i regret it so so much. On a good note all your prayers have been helping me out so much spiritually! I have connected with an awesome church have new Christian friends and have found a supportive all female Christian flat, all that i need now is a full time job that i love. I prayed and asked people to pray for me concerning direction in my life and the passionate need to connect with God again and literally over night the doors started opening! I'm not letting anything stand in the way this time!

"sounds like your husband"? or x husband? lol trust me i am staying away i would be stupid to ignore all of this quality advice! I'm 23 and i trust that you guys know better from experience and can read between the lines!

Is there much difference between being schzioprentic and demon possessed/oppressed? My mums a health nurse and reckons he definetly could be.

hey "his tragedy" is a bit emo i know it's in relation to christ's death on the cross i was a bit niave when i chose this name as i am aware that it was actually "his victory". But i hope u can see where i was coming from? p.s i have been told that this guy is spreading the worst possible things about me that are not true why would he do this? All his x gfs no his ways and are familiar with the fact that bluntly put he is a physco. I feel knowing God i cant dislike him i do but when i do he says that i dont have the love of christ in me if i do dislike him and that that is a very mean thing to say. He is telling everyone I'm crazy so that they wont listen to a word i say and ultimately take his side. He is so worried about the affects on his career. Is it because he knows he is this way and cant admit that he has to mirror things on us? He is even worse than he was when i knew him a year in a half ago. He is so evil in what he doe's and yes ur right he doe's have that pulling power. But i am close to hating this guy with every bone in my body if i didn't know God i defiantly would. I wish he never came into my life. It makes me so angry that i wasted so much time on him.

He is trying to be friendly to me and is reminding me of the 'good times' i know this routine and am being weary. I will take that as very great advice 2! too be honest it was literally a second it's easy to read into it as the text was from him and i immediately hit the road cone it was pretty messed up! I havn't found a church yet in my new town i am studying in please pray that i do and find an awesome christian flat!

thanks heaps for your advice yourve all been a marvelous help! A christian friend told me he has all the symptoms of being demon oppressed. I hear he went to church. I've realised it's not my job to help him. Your advice got me thru this. It's been hard, i got home to my hometown today to learn that my cat i have had since i was 10 (im 23 now) passed away on the same day that i posted my first post about all of this. he got into a bad fight and had to be put down. Mum didnt want to tell me this as she had recieved my text only an hour earlier about how i was distraught over what had happened and new it was the last thing i would've wanted to hear. Also on the 5 hour drive home at night i was about 20 mins away from my destination and i got a text from "that guy" i looked down to look up and find a road cone right in the middle of my side of the road i had no time to get out of the way i drove straight over it swerved and it was firmly stuck under my car! some kid must of thought it would be funny but i am wondering if any of this is spiritual in any kind of way it definetly could have some metaphorical meaning! I had a dream the other night after what had happened that God wanted me to fast and i know all of the reasons why I should and will.

thanks one light. This is the second time this has happened in 2 years. We got into a relationship I broke it off and moved on with my life i was angry as the relationship had potential but i could not put up with his anger and maniplutive ways. Hate is a strong word but i really really disliked him with everybone in my body. A year later i had a peace about things knowing God made it so much easier to forgive and forget but i was "reminded"...quite fast of why i left the relationship in the first place. I cant keep wishing he's going to change even if he doe's it's not going to happen over night. It also made things hard for me because on the outside he is the guy i had in my head that i wanted to marry when i was young. His talents i admire, taste, and his scense of humour are great. But everything else....is quite undesirable.

thanking you for your advice! I am defiently going to trust my gut instinct more, i narrowly missed the flight to visit him and i shouldve taken that as a sign, aswell as that gut feeling in the pit of my stomach. In regards to ur question "why am i willing to flirt with people of this type" is the fact that 1/3 of the time he can be a blast to hang out with he understands me and we are both very creative. But I'm seeing that having any involvement with him is at a very high price. I just saw this epoiside on dr phil today about liars, fraudsters and manipulators and how to reconize the signs. He knew all the ways to suck me in told me everything i wanted to hear told me i could of had it all, all the other things people do to manipulate you to make you love them and care for them. He is an emotional fraudster that i dont want in my life. It's a hard thing to do and i can now definetly relete to other women who have been in abbusive relationships that loving and hating someone oneday and trying to forget things the next is no godly way to live. The fruits of this man are selfish and unjust. I feel emotionally violated but still sorry for him at the same time. Some of the things you guys said hit me hard, hard enough to knock some sense into me and make me realise any involvement with him will only result in destruction, i cant afford to let myself go down the same road that he is I know I'm better than that. When i heard him yell out "satan knows" it was more than a hint, i wanted to run out of that house like lightening i knew i was playing with fire. He has said things to me like "I'm suffering" "i shouldnt even be on this earth" those words are never a comfort to hear but your right it is not my job to help him.

hey guys please take the time to read this i havnt been on worthyboards in a year but you regulars mite be refreshed by reading my previous posts. please note i have been away from God the last 3 years was raised a born again christian but wandered but have never turned my back on him. I am working at rebuilding our relationship currently. anyhow.. I am wondering if a believer can be possessed or opressed by demons? I have a guy i was unfrotunatly dating he was like a lion looking for a victim to devour he was not a very nice person when his true colours shone thru. He said he was a believer and wanted God more than anything but i did not see the fruits of this in any shape or form. It was an abbusive relationship, he would pick me to pieces say really mean things put me down sometimes he got so angry i thought he could kill me. He suffers from depression and had something bad happen to him in his past. He would treat me like this but then turn around and say i was a beautiful creative kind girl that he loved very much. I was trapped. I told him he didnt love me as his love was only a word without the expectations that come with it. Someone who loves you does not treat you like that. On previous posts people have said that satan had brought him into my life as i have always struggled with spiritual warfare for some reason satan comes over and over again to bring destruction into the flow and plan God has for me (helping suicidal people) eventually after a few months i got out of the relationship. It's been a year and a half and he came back into my life he was in my town and came over to visit he was here for 10 days and got arrested twice for assult on a bouncer the other time for breaching his bail conditions. This was all my fault however i wasn't even there. This guy struggles with lust jealously anger greed hate, he has an addictive personality and is very manuplative. He wakes up during the night with a look in his eyes and it's almost like something is coming over him like a wave and he convulses. I have heard him yell out "satan knows" in his sleep and i have seen him drunk and declare quietly that demons were in the room. This persons x girlfriends literally hate him and he has repeated these same patterns of behaviour in his previous relationships. He knows he isnt a very nice person and wants to change but never doe's anything to help himself. He also uses scripture against me. eg "love has no record of wrongs" i know even satan knows scripture. But seriously guys if this guy is a "believer" then why doe's he seem to be plauged by these spirits or demons do they just hang around or what? and how do u know which ones there are? I have tryed to help him so many times but i end up taking one step forward and 10 backwards. He leaves me emotionally physically and mentally exhausted i dont understand how he enjoys making people jealous and enjoys shredding a womens self worth and self esteem to pieces. He is so lonely and messed up i feel sorry for him but everything is always someone elses fault. He takes what he can when he can when it comes to girls, but yet he still trys to tell me im a princess and im his special girl and that he will always love me. I'm sure he only says these things to keep me around for lack of better company. I have recently found out he's pursued my flatmate who is a stripper with bi polar disorder and a drug user when he said he would never stoop that low, shes friendly when she wants to be but shes definetly not a christian far from it unfortunatly, and please dont question me about living with a stripper i realised this was wrong but i knew her from a backpackers i used to work at and she needed somewhere to live temporarily.. i came home to find a note he had left me i didnt even know he was in the same city as me let alone went around to my flat to pursue my flatmate he hardly knew! i couldn't believe it. I think he realised what he was doing was wrong but he tryed to make himself feel better by stating that God has called us to pursue love above all things. This guy is unbelievable he cant handle being single and falls in love as easily as night and day yet i still want to care about him?. The sad thing is after all the crap hes put me thru theres something inside me that wants to see the best of him and see him thrive in the fruits of the spirit but im weary as i have to protect myself from him and his anger wish rears its ugly head frequently. I hate to say this but he is like a walking demon bringing death and distruction into anybodys life who will let him, i really didnt want to say those words but he is under so much demonic spiritual oppression and this is very obvious to everybody. There is a part of me that wants to cling on but i know i have to let go as he is very much an emotional vampire. He keeps saying hes going to go to church and will change ect..what do i do in this situation he makes it very difficult for me to love him as a friend when he treats people like this. People close to me are telling me to avoid him like the plague and to run as far away from him as possible. Apart of me thinks that maybe if he goes back to church these horrible things will drop off and he will become a new person that id want in my life. What should i do here? everybody can see what he's doing to me and it's easy to look from the outside in but am i stupid for giving him so many chances?

I think the last poster meant association also try rhyming repetition and time and patience. I just got back from outward bound and we did a workshop on this. You have a greater capacity to remember things if you use your head your hands and your heart so when your learning the menu shout it out (youll look like an idiot but who cares!) lol and make hand gestures and then put it into a song! and get really enthusased about it (you know how a coach revs up a team before the big game) youll find it works if you pretend your really passionate and enthusastic youll get that brain working properlly!! good luck! x

hey sierra! I havent been on for a couple of months been away down the south island! so good news to hear about your date with dis christian fella! 2 big enthusastic thumbs up from me! lol where do you find these guys? and doe's he have many friends? lol just jk. I'm trying to stay away from those mysterious creatures for now! I'm so happy for you that your've met whats sounds like a great charmimg polite dude that's massive man! isn't it funny how a small door opens into a big room all of a sudden? Thats good your not rushing into anything and at the end of the day you do have to remind yourself that there is never any 'rush'. As for your friend, if she has a bf man she ant got no grounds to work off. It sounds like she just misses being single perhaps? and mite be jealous? he's yours for the taking. But still got to find some way around it so that you both kan be open and honest about it aye? and can remind good friends. It's not like he's her x or anything. all the best! keep me updated stay cool & clever my girl! Alisha

sorry guys yes speckles it was 'demon oppression' but I'm not 100% sure what that exactly means.

thanks guys i dont think this man was at all a 'showman' infact i think the lord really did use this man as a vessel in my situation. He didnt know me from a bar of soap id never even spoken to this person before but he knew and addressed everything about me that i had/was experiencing. there are many spirits and i believe death is one of them. It's just a term.. like someone mite be suicidal and Satan might try his hardest to attack this person wanting them dead. That is the spirit of death some demon who bascially wants you dead. I dont see why you have a reason to be angry..I am not a strong hot christian right now and people have said that God must have a really big plan for me if satan is trying his hardest to knock me down. I see what happened as a good thing maybe slightly embarrasing lol but these things needed to be addressed.

I went to a healing meeting at my church lastnite.. and I went up the front..the speaker kind of picked on me for a good few minutes and cast out the spirit of 'death/suicide' and fear. I dont really know much about this what do you think he was getting at? how doe's the spirit of death come upon you? i also didnt really feel like it had gone. I have been struggling with suicidal thoughts for the past year but i know its not my own mind thinking such things as i love life! this speaker also said that the demonic are trying to do everything they can to bring me down out of the light of Jesus and there is a real fight for my soul going on and a deep spiritual oppression. Can anyone eleberate? I am getting a copy of the tape as i was in tears and a bit of a mess so i didnt really catch alot of what he was saying! blessings! Alisha

actions speak louder than words his actions have proved that you are important. Your both only human and no matter what you both will and have made mistakes. It's good that he confessed to you i know it hurts tho you'll get over it just dont treat him any different.. i know you will want to be mean to him and make him paye..but you have to cancel that debt that you think he owes you and forgive him. He must of really cared about you to hide it for that long! hey my father lied to my mother about how old he was and only confessed how old he really was AFTER they were married!. Men can be big babies sometimes huh! and she was more than a little annoyed over the matter all i can say is he must of really liked my mother!