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Hey guys! i was talking to a distant friend on msn messanger last night, he is an unbeliever but is almost there if you know what i mean We were talking about how i am a Christian, and we actually had a very mature, decent conversation both sides respecting and listening to one another. He is very open to the idea of becoming a follow of Christ. I answered what i could. I thought u guys could shine some light on this and help me. I told him i would email him and follow up on it. This is some of the msn conversation, and the questions he so desperately wants answered. (names have been changed) sam says: yea, but what do you believe, because every Christian I know has very different beliefs this side of brightness says: that you can have an amazing personal relationship with Jesus Christ and have him impact your life in ways u would not begin to believe and that Jesus is the son of God. sam says: real world impacts? or just psychological, like "I feel good today"... sam says: like god made a copy of himself in human form, for us to torture and murder so that he could convince himself to forgive us for not being the way he intended us. Even though he knew it would turn out that way? this side of brightness says: seeing people set free from there past, healing, freedom, Jc is like a friend you get to know on earth like..the more time u spend with him the more u get to know him and the more u become like him...i dont mean that in a vain way because nobodys perfect but u get his heart and his mindset and all those good things that are of God sam says: I'm not trying to offend you by the way, I'm just asking the questions to the things that would stop me from becoming Christian sam says: Another thing is, You believe in free will right, that we make our own choices independent of the rules of the universe this side of brightness says: yeah fully man i believe in freewill we have a mind and a soul a spirit and emotions God didnt want robots walking the earth this side of brightness says: life without God can only take u so far sam says:And God is omniscient right? this side of brightness says: a relationship with jc can take you further than you thought you could ever go this side of brightness says: God is omniscient yes this side of brightness says: they are all the same this side of brightness says: father son holyspirit samsays: but, if god is omniscient, and we have freewill...isnt that a logical fallacy? If god knows everything, he knows the choices we would make before we were born, so they were never really our choices to make.... sam says: but people of other religions tell me the same thing sam says: and no one can ever answer my questions sam says: if you can answer my questions then I'll have no choice but to believe samsays: I cant force myself to believe something that is unbelievable to me. sam says: I can join you in your mosh pit at your church sam says: oh yea, and what about Jesus saying not to practice religion in public, you should keep it private and not show off? this side of brightness says: he knew the choices, but he didnt make them for us... its like reading the paper, we know what happened, but we had no control over them sam says: that means I was destined to make those choices samsays: it was inescapable before my birth this side of brightness says: correct this side of brightness says: born into a sin stained and fallen world this side of brightness says: but the choice still remains in each human being sam says: choices we could never choose sam says: god would know my ultimate choice before I've ever made it sam says: before I've decided sam says: ...it just doesnt work, its 2 opposing arguments that come into conflict this side of brightness says: i guess thats where faith comes into it this side of brightness says: and you cant really have faith until you know that you know that God is real in your life samsays: I have to go soon, but I like talking to you, maybe one day you can convince me your right and I'll join you, But if I dont change, I want you to know that athiesim isnt all gloomy like many people think, athiesim doesnt define anything about you, just that you cant believe in God. My outlook on life is very positive, and when I read about the world, and the way the universe works, it blows my mind and I feel uplifted sam says: but I'm not trying to destroy your faith or anything this side of brightness says: well keep ur heart open ill pray for you this side of brightness says: god knows our decisions and choices, but he does nothing to change them even if they are bad in his eyes, essentially life is ours to loose... we have to make the decision if we want to keep it and the decision if we want to keep it is to accept that jesus died on the cross to take the punishment for our sins, if we dont accept that then we will have to pay ourselves sam says: but knowing what the outcome is going to be and choosing not to alter it still does not make it free will. Its like choosing not to stop the ball rolling down the hill let me know your thoughts on his questions please! this is a soul that hopefully will be destined for Heaven! Amen!

the only way to do that is change my emails and phone numbers. thanks guys.

and if you read that and your heart sinks and you go man he sounds like he's being friendly his trip to hospital was all her fault yourv'e fallen into my trap. I've fallen for emails like this too many times. He's trying to make me feel sorry for him (but yet it's still my fault) and diagnose me with the same thing he has so we have a common bond. He knows for a fact that i am going to church regularly but he wants to be one on the up. The last time he text me i told him to leave me alone and not to contact me. If he ended up in hospital over that then how is that my fault?

sorry i logged in at 2am the privacy act definantly skipped my mind. There is only a tiny handful of people on here from New Zealand but i guess he could track me down that way. I do find it hard to "respect this guy" after the way he has treated me. I can forgive but i cant forget.

awh....lol I thought my post was starting arguments for a minute there! I got an email from this guy today. (which i havn't replyed too)........ "I ended up in hospital last Thursday, it was hard to handle those things you said to me. I was diagnosed with this. I think you might have the same. http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publication...-disorder.shtml Going to church regularly and hope you are to. I am doing the best i can ******" -***** ________________________________________________________________________________ ________________________

patricia do you mean that this faithful christian can become possessed? or just oppressed?

I've read up alot on possession and oppression if you type it into google there are alot of good christian websites out there that seem to share the same view based on scripture. I have been oppressed myself at 18 i opened the door and i wont go into detail but i know what i did I earned myself a double whammy there. My mum went thru the same spiritual battle at 40 (generational curse) I dont know if you have experienced being oppressed to the limit but it is literally hell on earth i wouldn't put it on my worst enemy. I have seen unbelievers come to know God and have had fits and convulsions and screaming when the holy spirit came upon them. I have heard testimonys of people levitating and speaking but not of there own voice spitting out objects etc..that is pretty bad possession i dont think a believer could ever experience such things. I prayed in tongues day and night i went to say the name of Jesus as i know there is power in just his name and i couldnt open my mouth i thought it and was instantly released. I was not left alone for 5 mins and this went on for close to 3 months i was a mess i ended up trying to commit suicide i called on the name of God in desperation and cryed out to him from the pit of my stomach. I was told to respect my parents (simple as that) and i started to get better. People have said to me God must have an amazing plan for your life as the enemy only taunts people who are a threat to him but mum went thru the same thing (she experienced incest and her father was a member of the masonic lodge which i dont know to much about) and she lives a quiet life and is a caregiver for the elderly. I think satan taunts the easy targets who are vunerable. Sorry for being so heavy duty but i know i can be honest on here and if i can help someone else then great.

thanks "dare to believe"

thanks patricia i will cut those ties. I start a course in my church next month called "cleansing streams" you may of heard of it? It's not going to be easy but i know it's something God wants me to do.

I remember him texting me and telling me he did have a demon hanging around (I cant tell if he is possessed so I'll go with oppressed) and that he could feel something behind him right then (at that moment) i can see him switch like light and day with this and it has an effect on me for example he might be friendly and kind then out of know where he will start picking on me yelling at me and will say anything he could to bring me down and make me feel inadequate. Then if i said anything in response to this i was a "sh*t stirrer" or "starting arguments" so i am always the bad guy then he would tell people these things imagine someone trying there hardest to cut down a tree and then when it finally falls to the ground they protest that it wasn't them and they had no part it in?. I'm standing there going what just happened? He pursues and pursues (and this comes out of nowhere) until he gets a reaction or u break down and you cant take it anymore and your left in a heap balling your eyes out and waiting for him to use whatever you say against you. See as i am writting this i am full of haterd towards him i know it's wrong but i tryed to help this guy! i was the only person in his life that saw his true colours and stuck around i was holding onto that 1/3 of him. Now the closer I'm getting to God the more i look back and see how stupid i was

thankyou thankyou thankyou I study your replies in depth and you are right everytime (of course) I am much happier, i still feel sad that i wasted hours and hours on this person and thankyou for the people who said they could relate to me it's always nice to have that extra support and knowing that your not the only one! I dont see any good fruits from this experience but i have learnt a few lessons. He came into my life clothed as "the one" "my perfect guy" This guy did pull me into sin i ended up loosing my virginity to him at 23 (i had waited that long!) and i regret it so much it was horrible there was no love or respect or anything involved it was like i was a nobody to him he didn't make me feel loved or special there was no effort there it was cold. I didnt sleep with him when we were going out but over a year later i let him back into my life and i did i cant understand why or how i regret it so so much. On a good note all your prayers have been helping me out so much spiritually! I have connected with an awesome church have new Christian friends and have found a supportive all female Christian flat, all that i need now is a full time job that i love. I prayed and asked people to pray for me concerning direction in my life and the passionate need to connect with God again and literally over night the doors started opening! I'm not letting anything stand in the way this time!

"sounds like your husband"? or x husband? lol trust me i am staying away i would be stupid to ignore all of this quality advice! I'm 23 and i trust that you guys know better from experience and can read between the lines!

Is there much difference between being schzioprentic and demon possessed/oppressed? My mums a health nurse and reckons he definetly could be.

hey "his tragedy" is a bit emo i know it's in relation to christ's death on the cross i was a bit niave when i chose this name as i am aware that it was actually "his victory". But i hope u can see where i was coming from? p.s i have been told that this guy is spreading the worst possible things about me that are not true why would he do this? All his x gfs no his ways and are familiar with the fact that bluntly put he is a physco. I feel knowing God i cant dislike him i do but when i do he says that i dont have the love of christ in me if i do dislike him and that that is a very mean thing to say. He is telling everyone I'm crazy so that they wont listen to a word i say and ultimately take his side. He is so worried about the affects on his career. Is it because he knows he is this way and cant admit that he has to mirror things on us? He is even worse than he was when i knew him a year in a half ago. He is so evil in what he doe's and yes ur right he doe's have that pulling power. But i am close to hating this guy with every bone in my body if i didn't know God i defiantly would. I wish he never came into my life. It makes me so angry that i wasted so much time on him.

He is trying to be friendly to me and is reminding me of the 'good times' i know this routine and am being weary. I will take that as very great advice 2! too be honest it was literally a second it's easy to read into it as the text was from him and i immediately hit the road cone it was pretty messed up! I havn't found a church yet in my new town i am studying in please pray that i do and find an awesome christian flat!