AllforJesustheLord

Dios Words are eternal so, I think He would show peope many things in many ways, so I am sure that much can be discovered using the literal Words, and letters of Dios the Padre. I wanted to explain my last post, I used to think of numbers that are pretty easily seen, and applied them as prophecies in my life, and that can, be good, but also can lead people down a wrong path, and that is what happened to me sometimes. I would feel sad if the numbers did not give me what I wanted thinking God was angry at me. I am glad I learned not all things are to lead me, in my walk with God.

There are possibilities for an old earth, past 6,000 years, also there are possibilities for the earth being about 6,000 years old, when Adam was created I do not think He was a baby, He was made a grown up, so trees maybe were made grown up, to me I recognize a possibility for both understandings of this, the earth is real old, and the earth is about 6,000 years old.

When we believe in Him, we have fruit, otherwise we are not fully believing in Him, it is not by our works, but by the washing, and renewing of the Holy Spirit. Yes, we do works in the natural, but in reality we do nothing to save ourselves Christ did everything so that we could dwell in Him.

I want to say, in the natural I am trying to pick who I believe is the most correct vote that will lead people into believing in Jesus Christ, and following Him, and truthfully, there will only be two possibilities to who will be elected in the natural, either George Bush, or John Kerry, no one else is going to get enough votes, so in order to be effective, we in America need to vote, for one of the two. By the way war in the physical is never right, if anyone hurts anyone physically in a physical way, that is of Satan, that is since Christ came, he made things that way.

Actually eternal Father, I think in Hebrew is called Father debar, what do you think that means, I think it means the Father separated from Himself.

these different teachings can be good, and are sometimes, but also let us not get so caught up in them, that we think, in the terms of numbers, because I have learned the hard way, if I think that way, that I loose some faith, and I am not lead by God's Spirit. Sometimes thinking negatively about situations, just because I am thinking of a number.

The Gospel is Jesus Christ, suffering, dying, and rising the third day. We can get many understandings out of that, but whoever believes in Him that He did those things, will not be ashamed, for they believe He is the Son of God.

My reasoning is three fold, one George likes war, two George help the rich, and leaves the poor out to dry, three the gays are going to be around anyway, we can not kill them, or make them stop doing their sins, yet we may try to stop them from being evil, but we already try, and that has not stopped them, certainly I do not want them to even have civil marriage, but I think war, and the other outweigh the gay issue. I would rather have God's judgement upon American, by doing righteousness in those two areas, then by doing evil which will destroy the spirit, soul, and body. Remember Christ came not to send peace but a sword, He wants His kingdom established, and if evil rules, God will destroy, yet God will preserve, what is right, and good.

No a congregation which is in Colorado.

The most important part is to be lead by God's Spirit, if you can do what the apostles did, when Christ sent them out, and the apostle Paul did that once in Acts, shaking the dust off his feet, and being free from the blood of the disobedient ones then that is great, but before you do that to much, make sure you are doing exactly what God wants you to do, being blameless, and make sure you have all the understandings of The New Testament, and make sure God by His Spirit wants you to do that. If you look at one of the 4 Gospels, you can see the sent ones had power to remit sins, or retain sins. When a person has a forgiving heart, even the heart of Jesus Christ, they are lead by God's Spirit, and they will do what He wants them to do, so if you pray for a time a discipline on someone, and God did not want you to do that. You will be judged according to the judgement you judge with, and/or God will not do what you are asking, and/or God may allow satan to do things to accomplish the evil, and/or anyone doing that could get in bondage with an evil spirit, and/or more then one evil spirit. So the teaching is we are not to judge anymore, rather we die, and Christ Jesus lives inside of us, and He does the judging inside of us.

I do actually know of one Messianic Jewish congregation that have a least a silver trumpet, maybe they have more also, I do not know, I would think that to have a real one would not be true though, I mean totally silver, I think they are doing the best they can, to fulfill the command, by having a long horn that is silver colored, at least for now, maybe in the future they will get one totally silver.

Can someone please help me to understand, why some people say YeHSHua was born at the time, feast of Tabernacles?

Many according to tradition say, the rams horn is on example of what shophar means, but in context the scriptures in The Torah only speak of the silver trumpet, and that is the shophar, shaped like a rams horn. The rams horn is a tradition that goes against ELoHeeM, and His Word, yet the understanding of the shape of the silver trumpet is a beaten work into the shape of a rams horn. Notice the silver trumpet, is spoken of for the meetings, wars, blowing on the new moon, for everything, and anything the physical rams horn would be, yet even more then that, at least more then meetings, and for different times, of special importance, the silver trumpet was used for war also, as is shown in scripture, so if someone chooses to let them do what they can to have a silver trumpet, and not a physical animal rams horn. Maybe Israel in the natural uses the ram's horn for war also, or the silver trumpet I do not know, but in the Messianic Congregations, they do not declare physical war if they are righteous, they could declare spiritual war, in YeHSHua MeSHiaCH.

The scripture I am speaking about is when Peter went to the Gentiles in Acts, and the Gentiles received the Holy Spirit, and then Peter said, something like, who can stop them from being baptized, I think that is around Acts 10:48.

This which I am speaking of is talking about eternal Judgement, and the understanding of predestination, how each is connected, and is together.

To the men, if ...you have faith, you will...follow Jesus, that means do the works He did, and greater works, there is only a limit on someone who does not walk in faith working by love, that is the time the limit is known. ...If you have faith you will... walk like Paul who follows Christ, and He prayed in tongues alot, and you will prophesy also, you will receive all the gifts of God's Spirit if you show obedience to the faith. You will walk like Jesus Christ, as 1 John talks about who ever says they have fellowship with God, they will walk like Jesus, and if they do not they lie, and are not practicing the truth.

Ups I am sorry about not useing the correct scripture I will have to get that for you, or you could look it up, if not I will get it, and post the correct scripture here. Sorry, may His grace in Jesus Christ be all ours.

It sounds like you do not know what the mormon believers teach, I have been searching for God since I was about 17, I have been to many places, I know they use the KJV, but also, they have the Joseph Smith translation, they will try to tell you they believe in the bible, but their own statement of faith, says as long as it is translated correctly, they do not believe in the Masoretic Hebrew Text that is used to make the KJV, in the Older Testaments, they change many things, and they do not believe in alot of different things in the N.T. also. Many changes happen.

The main scriptures I use are God will not allow His scriptures to change, and He makes sure His word stays the same. Mark 13:31 Heaven, and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. I say that because the Joseph Smith translation of the bible, changes many things, adds, and subtracts, and changes meanings, of the eternal Word. Now since that is true, also the other works do the same things, the book of mormon, doctrine & covenants, pearl of great price, and there many different false prophets, and false teachers, go along those lines, sometimes saying things that are true, and sometimes saying false things. You can speak to them about the many teachings I have said, they many go against there teachings. I am expounding scripture, through God's Spirit. This will help, you can mention the DNA, of the native Americans, they I believe about 97% come from east Asia, China, Japan, and all east asian places. They are not the DNA of the tribes of Israel. You can show the meaning of the true Sabbath, the no need for tithe anymore, the different teachings which are supposed to be fulfilled Matthew 5:33-37, James 5:12, the mormon believers definately do oaths. The understanding of predestination, the understanding of Matthew 23:8-11, Matthew 12:46-50, Mark 3:31-34, Luke 8:18-23, you could show them 1 Cor. 10:16; 11:17-32, which speaks of the body of Christ, and His blood, in the natural is the bread, and the wine, and/or juice, but Christ did not say this represents my body, and blood, He said this is my body, and blood, we do not need to go into how that is, we can just let Him say what He said, and believe what He said, You could show them the rebuking scriptures, examples 2 Cor. 7:10, James 5:16, James 5:19-20, Jude 22-23, 1 Cor. 5:11, Gal. 6:1, 2 Thes. 3:6, 2 Thes. 3:14-15. You could explain to them that they are right people can be perfect in Christ, James 3:2, Revelation 14:1-5, You could show them that women wearing veils is commanded not just in their temples, but also any time a women prays or prophesies 1 Cor. 11:1-16, you could show them 1 Peter 3:1-6, 1 Tim. 2:9-15 which says women should not wear jewelry, no fancy cloths, no fancy hair. Some of their women wear jewelry, so this would be a teaching they are not used to. You could show them 1 Corinthians 14:34-37, you could mention the N.T. never allows physical violence, and give scripture to prove that, because they believe they can do physical violence in some circumstances. You could show them a good understanding of The Word was God, that means He came from God, and that we are made in God's image, and since that is true, The Father, had The Word in Him, and The Holy Spirit, and they were Him, while being with Him, and yet then they separated from Him, not because God did physical intercourse, but because wanted to fulfill His will, and save all people. You could show them, there is no woman spirit as they claim, but they most of the time do not believe in The Scriptures. You could show them, about the understanding of speaking in different tongues, in Isaiah 28:11-12, 1 Cor. 14:21, 1 Cor. 13:1, 1 Corinthians 14, that not all tongues are tongues of men, but also there are tongues which we speak which we do not understand. You could show them Acts 2 An immersion in the Holy Spirit can come to people in Prayer. Acts 8:16 A person can be immersed in The Holy Spirit before they are baptized. They believe no one can receive God's Spirit until after they are baptized, then someone has to lay hands upon them in order for them to be immersed in The Holy Spirit, as we can see this can be a true way, but is not the only way. They believe there way is the only way, yet the scriptures show their way to receive the Holy Spirit is not the only way. You can share with them about Romans 14:9, if they do not repent, and believe in the gospel they will be among the dead of Christ, and will be saved, yet go through fire. 1 Cor. I think chapter two. Also we can do the different teachings of the Older Testaments through Christ. These are some teachings you could talk about. You could talk about the understandings in Acts 15:29, but most eat blood anyways. You could show them the teachings about Christ being in them, but they say Christ does not go in you, that is a sectarian notion, they do not know The Spirit of God, The Spirit of The Christ. Is The One God, who came out of The One God. John 15:26; 16:28. I pray you would be lead, by The Spirit of The Father, in Jesus Christ's name, Amayn, Amen.

Prophesying is another way of seeing someone has received an immersion in The Spirit of Christ, as is shown in Acts. Remember to pray to God for the gifts of The Holy Spirit, if you have a pure heart, people need people who can do this, so God knows there is a need, so He will let you operate in the gifting more, if you are obedient to God, and Jesus Christ our Lord. Remember the scripture which says, According to your faith so be it unto you. If you have faith, you will....You will have faith, and God will grant you more of His wonderful Gifts so all may be blessed, and edified, and come to the knowledge of Jesus Christ. Having Christ manifested in their hearts through faith. Praise be to God. Let us worship His majesty together, in spirit, and truth. Glory to God. Worship, and praise to the Lamb that was slain, He was dead, now is alive forevermore.

Jesus said, water, and the Spirit, Baptism always means in scripture immersing, or immersed, that means if you get baptized, immersed in the Spirit you still need to be immersed in water of the natural. I will show you Acts 8:16 "For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus." Notice please a person can get the Holy Spirit before they are immersed in water. In The scriptures we always see two forms of immersion, the physical water immersion, and The Holy Spirit immersion. The One in Eph is probably first, and foremost talking of the natural water immersion, yet I would also think the scripture is not limitted to that understanding only. We can have a spiritual understanding also about water, and Spirit, but the physical water, and the Holy Spirit immersion both experienced, and had, in order to receive the full favor of God.

Matthew517 do you prophesy sometimes, if this is so, you can look at Acts, and see they either prophecied, or spoke in different tongues, when the people got immersed in God's The Ba(Father's) Spirit. Do you remember the washing, and renewing of The Holy Spirit which is spoken of in N.T.. This can happen, if you have faith, and let God move in your life.

sometimes they will be saved later, if that is true, then God may have us witness to them, in that case even though they may be disobedient to God, and His Christ, but you are not throwing your pearls to swine, because God is having mercy upon them so they may be saved, and may be predestinated in Christ, by believing in Him, for whoever believes, will not be ashamed, and they are predestinated to be saved, yet not all will be saved, until after they are dead, remember Christ is the God of the dead, and the living, that means some people in Christ do not follow Him, they are the dead in Christ, and the living in Christ are those who call on Him out of a pure heart, they have works meet for repentance.

I will continue to do more research, yet I did do some, and for the most part in the bible, Dan was disobedient just like the other tribes. I am considering that the part in Revelation which has Manasseh should have Dan instead, because Joseph can mean both tribes, Ephraim, and Manasseh, and since the Words are in God's Older Testament prophet Ezekiel, that shows His Words where never lost, because they are there, He said His words would last past the earth. Mark 13:31 Heaven, and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. So I am thinking that someone changed that one Word in Revelation, but His Word in that instance has always been around so, His Word was never lost, as in the requirement of Mark 13:31, for all scriptures. Ezekiel is talking about the 1,000 year reign. So, also Revelation 7:4-8 is speaking of those tribes, in Ezekiel 48 what do you think?

I will continue to do more research, yet I did do some, and for the most part in the bible, Dan was disobedient just like the other tribes. I am considering that the part in Revelation which has Manasseh should have Dan instead, because Joseph can mean both tribes, Ephraim, and Manasseh, and since the Words are in God's Older Testament prophet Ezekiel, that shows His Words where never lost, because they are there, He said His words would last past the earth. Mark 13:31 Heaven, and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. So I am thinking that someone changed that one Word in Revelation, but His Word in that instance has always been around so, His Word was never lost, as in the requirement of Mark 13:31, for all scriptures. Ezekiel is talking about the 1,000 year reign. So, also Revelation 7:4-8 is speaking of those tribes, in Ezekiel 48 what do you think?