jackie d

Look do you really think that I am blaming the constitution for the gun problem and the killings in this world? I am not...I lack no conviction for I know the bottom line of all the division in the world and it has nothing to do with the weapons...however! it sure doesn't make for a very safe place when guns can be placed in the hands of just anyone. And the consitution protected someone, somehow for those guns to be in circulation in the first place for those kids to get their hands on them..and from where the sword came who knows. I get that it is people who kill people...I also get that it is people who create weapons so people can kill people. I get family values, I get throwing tantrums I get the whole issue rally and trooly I do ...sorry I assumed you were yelling at me be blessed

LOL!! Blien thanks for the light heartedness and thank you so very much for the invitation....

WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!! the children were not given any rights by anyone or anything to "bear arms". those children didn't have the legal right to have the weapons (and there was a weapon besides a gun remember?). furthermore, the right to bear arms does not give one the right to slaughter innocent people because one is throwing a temper tantrum. please, don't be twisting the constitution to fit your own argument, it lacks conviction. HEY! why are you yelling at me? I read the article those "children" at least two of them are considered legal adults in the United States... and since this is a free country that gives me the right to free speach and a country so set on opinion, I have the right to them...thank you the truth of the matter is that the enemy is the underlying problem here and we can lay blame anywhere we want to...death is the result of sin. No matter if it is by disease or by weapon or old age...death is gonna get us... again. Come Lord come!!!

I guess I'm not the only one who saw past the shock value of the post, to the undertones of it's desired purpose. It is shocking! Why does there have to be some kind of agenda as motive for the thread? AND even if there is an agenda, what does it matter? those people are dead at the hands of children who were given the right to bear arms according to the constitution!! the enemy at work in a really big way...and there are more players involved here than those who killed and those who were killed... I am incredibly shocked and saddened by it.

this makes me so sad...Oh Lord come and save us from the enemy who seeks to kill, steal and destroy. what a tragic story it makes me weep

kittyjo said:

well if I wanted dread locks, which I don't but not because I think there is anything wrong with them, I would just have them and not really care if someone found them to be against a "biblical principle" that is quite iffy when we consider that most likely 2 Tim 2:9 was a cultural thing... oh and I think they look kinda cool too girl get your dreads if that is what you like and let those who don't like it look the other way... oops did I say that out loud???

I just kind of lumped them together, but yes I am in agreement that's why I say.... zactly!!

INDEED!! thanks 4given1...I had seen this before but somehow (hehe) found myself too busy to remember it. That's pretty good Jackie. I was almost too busy to take the time to read it.

INDEED!! thanks 4given1...I had seen this before but somehow (hehe) found myself too busy to remember it.

indeed and praise be to God, He still gives us the ability to love one another none the less...God bless you sister

I was taken to these verses today as I was praying over what could be the meaning behind this dream...this is what was shown to me Jeremhiah 31:29 In those days they shall say no more: 'The fathers have eaten sour grapes, And the children's teeth are set on edge' 31:30 "But every one shall die for his OWN iniquity; every man who eats the sour grapes, HIS teeth shall be set on edge" the lord is showing that each man is responsible for his own iniquity and it is NOT another's responsibility to make sure someone doesn't sin or that the sin's of others should follow the rest and they pay for the iniquities of others...

Rascal! Amen! What? it's all good! he gave an amen...just tickles the funny bone..It did mine too!! and amen!

ditto. yep it is a dream, however I am unable to minimize in my mind what it could be saying to us by using the word only... blessings

This has become a very ME society. Even as Christ hung on the cross he asked the LORD for forgiveness of those who were on the ground, not for salvation for himself. 1 John 2 9 He who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now. 10 He who loves his brother abides in the light, and there is no cause for stumbling in him. 11 But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes. this dream is like a parable to me... the person in the lead (the one who had the dream) was leading those who were running behind. The demon in the path represented traps of sin that people each and every day follow each other into. (1st warning) Now the lead runner, stopped dead in their tracks. Should the leader have stopped wouldn't you think that the others would have at the very least slowed down to see what was causing their leader to come to a halt on that particular path they were running. (2nd warning) there was a trap laying in the path that was an obvious trap that was noticed by the other runners. these people behind the lead person made the choice to ignore the 2 warning signs of sin and death of their own free will....why should the person in the lead be held accountable for those people choosing to sin, when God doesn't even take our free will to choose from us? You are assuming that the leader was the one who was in the wrong. But the leader's actions and the demon were both warnings to those sheep. Jesus, doesn't put a stop to us making stupid mistakes and sins, He lets us walk head on into whatever snare we are willing to ignore the clear and present dangers of. The leader, clearly not the Lord had no more ability to remove their choice to exercise free-will than you or I.... Now your statement that after all had happened the person who stopped and refused to be taken to death was in the wrong and it was an all about me thing, thus implying that person was selfish....but he wasn't selfish, he was wise. But again, I look at this as a parable of sorts...kind of like the good servant verses the bad or lazy servant. The one who's senses have been exercised enough to discern good and evil (Heb 5:13) was a servant with a lamp full of oil and that servant refused to compromise his journey with the Lord by not allowing sin to trip him up or by following the rest of the flock down a path to destruction. Had that leader been wrong, why when he called on Jesus did Jesus immediately come to His aid and destroy the enemy that was in his path? Thus showing that the Lord was well pleased with the obedient servant...anyone of those other people who followed over the cliff could have stopped and asked the Lord to rescue them but they did not. And that was clearly a choice made by each one of those who went over the cliff... Oh yes and let's not forget that the next person in line after the leader, spoke to the demon and asked it if it was trying to trip them? why would that one choose to let the demon trip him and why would those who were behind him willingly follow him from the first to the last yet ignore completely that people were falling to their deaths and that the real leader of the group had not proceeded forward? Clearly their eyes were open to what they were doing as the demon was acknowledged by them. So again, why the shock at the leader and not those who follow each other into death and destruction? You're not understanding the nature of the sheep then. Sheep follow the first one, without heed. They don't think for themselves, and have we not been called sheep by our own saviour? You assume that the person in the dream was the leader. Metaphore for Pastor? Possibly. God holds pastors responsibile for their flock. If a Pastor leads them astray, or allows his flock to be lead astray he will answer for it. My shock at the statement, who would stand by while wathcing other's fall to their death without doing anything about it, and instead ask for help from the LORD for themselves and not those who were obviously in need? I do not understand that. To me it is an extremely selfish behaviour. if you say so Bibs....to me it is trying to be like God and perform how God performs to think that you or I or anyone else has the power that God has to change the hearts and minds of people. Just because the leader did not speak the signs were there. And we are to keep our eyes open for the SIGNS.....how many prophets in the OT gave signs and word of impending doom yet the people continued to follow along in their sin with each other and ignore them until they were destroyed for their disobedience and sin???? Did God hold the prophet accountable for them not paying attention? Heavens no for the prophet was righteous and obeyed the Lord and the signs He gave them. I however am of the mind, that with the warning signs and the obvious blessing of the Lord for not being willing to just move along in life blindly following what everyone else is doing, that the leader did the right thing and those who fell to their deaths (as sad as it is) asked for what they got. I could no more stop you or anyone else from following along with the rest of the crowd just because that is what the crowd is doing than you could, people have free will to choose their paths....but then the Lord did say that He will blind those who choose to be blind and deafen those who choose to be deaf, because of their hardened hearts. We can only do so much for our brother and sister, it is God who does the changing of hearts, minds, and souls.

amen

who?

This has become a very ME society. Even as Christ hung on the cross he asked the LORD for forgiveness of those who were on the ground, not for salvation for himself. 1 John 2 9 He who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now. 10 He who loves his brother abides in the light, and there is no cause for stumbling in him. 11 But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes. this dream is like a parable to me... the person in the lead (the one who had the dream) was leading those who were running behind. The demon in the path represented traps of sin that people each and every day follow each other into. (1st warning) Now the lead runner, stopped dead in their tracks. Should the leader have stopped wouldn't you think that the others would have at the very least slowed down to see what was causing their leader to come to a halt on that particular path they were running. (2nd warning) there was a trap laying in the path that was an obvious trap that was noticed by the other runners. these people behind the lead person made the choice to ignore the 2 warning signs of sin and death of their own free will....why should the person in the lead be held accountable for those people choosing to sin, when God doesn't even take our free will to choose from us? You are assuming that the leader was the one who was in the wrong. But the leader's actions and the demon were both warnings to those sheep. Jesus, doesn't put a stop to us making stupid mistakes and sins, He lets us walk head on into whatever snare we are willing to ignore the clear and present dangers of. The leader, clearly not the Lord had no more ability to remove their choice to exercise free-will than you or I.... Now your statement that after all had happened the person who stopped and refused to be taken to death was in the wrong and it was an all about me thing, thus implying that person was selfish....but he wasn't selfish, he was wise. But again, I look at this as a parable of sorts...kind of like the good servant verses the bad or lazy servant. The one who's senses have been exercised enough to discern good and evil (Heb 5:13) was a servant with a lamp full of oil and that servant refused to compromise his journey with the Lord by not allowing sin to trip him up or by following the rest of the flock down a path to destruction. Had that leader been wrong, why when he called on Jesus did Jesus immediately come to His aid and destroy the enemy that was in his path? Thus showing that the Lord was well pleased with the obedient servant...anyone of those other people who followed over the cliff could have stopped and asked the Lord to rescue them but they did not. And that was clearly a choice made by each one of those who went over the cliff... Oh yes and let's not forget that the next person in line after the leader, spoke to the demon and asked it if it was trying to trip them? why would that one choose to let the demon trip him and why would those who were behind him willingly follow him from the first to the last yet ignore completely that people were falling to their deaths and that the real leader of the group had not proceeded forward? Clearly their eyes were open to what they were doing as the demon was acknowledged by them. So again, why the shock at the leader and not those who follow each other into death and destruction?

I was going through a thread that was recently closed and came across what has been quoted below: a person responded to these words "I just stood and watched the whole thing" by asking quite shocked, "who would do that?" my question after reading this dream is who would willingly and knowingly fall over the trippings of the enemy and who would gladly follow behind the leader to be crushed on the rocks below? I totally get why the person who had the dream stopped and watched those who allowed the enemy to kill them...the leader of the flock who fell asked the enemy if he was trying to trip him, so in asking this he was fully aware of the blunder he was willing to take by letting the enemy trip him. So if they were aware why would the one who also knew but refused to follow the sheep be the one people are shocked by? Why was there not shock at those who were willing to let the enemy harm them instead?

In the OT, there were many and they usually stood out from amoung the crowd. Under the New Covenant, he has said: Joel 2:28-29 And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions. Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days. Acts 15:32 Judas and Silas, who themselves were prophets, said much to encourage and strengthen the brothers. 1 Cor 12:10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy... 1 Cor 14:1 Follow the way of love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy. 1 Cor 14:29 Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said. 30 And if a revelation comes to someone who is sitting down, the first speaker should stop. 31 For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged. 32 The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. Eph 4:11 It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, 12 to prepare God

well I'm not really sure what the differences would be if there are differences

What they believed about their writings is irrelivant. John the Baptist didn't realize he was the one refered to as Elijah, but he was. John the Baptist being refered to as Elijah didn't make him Elijah. actually Bibs it did make him Elijah.. Matthew 11 (KJV) 13For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. 14And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come. 15He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. Matthew 11 (NKJV) 13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. 14 and if you are willing to receive it, he IS Elijah who is to come 15 He who has ears to hear, let him hear! This is curious. So there were two Elijah's? OR was John the Baptist Elijah reincarnated? Maybe this proves reincarnation... Sorry I know this is off topic. I believe that Elijah was John/John was Elijah...even the unborn John/Elijah in Elizabeth's womb leapt, when Mary entered the room carrying the unborn Jesus.... Matthew 11:14 and if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who is to come... I firmly believe the John the Baptiste was Elijah because Jesus said it was so...the concept of reincarnation?? Elijah did not taste death remember...so how could that be really considered reincarnation??? I don't know but I believe that the Lord God Almighty made it so in this case

I/we must decrease that He might increase.

Right on. I think that all visions and special insights are unique to those who are blessed enough to be singled out and humble enough to accept what is being shown as personally applying to them. However much it is possible, and it always is, to take the message and apply it to others, that is only an escape from accepting the message as personally given and personally intended. You have been shown something that is special and personal between God and you. Isn't it fantastic that your Heavenly Father loves you so much that he has taken you aside from the crowd and spoken to you personally. You are very blessed. though I agree that when given such a blessed gift as a word from the Lord is meant for my personal growth, I would be remiss to believe that something such as what I was told was only for my benefit...as the words spoken talked to me and to many, was about me and about many and applied to me and to many. So I cannot believe that something spoken with a wide range of implication is something that is simply personal and to be kept between me and God......and if it was intended simply for my benefit, I can't imagine leaving my brothers and sisters out of such a profound statement that can benefit the entire church community. When I say that it is a ME thing...I mean that we being the self centered beings we are make nearly everything a ME thing....