kari21

That's kinda funny. God Himself hates the sinner. So God hates sinners huh? Now that is a far out comment. I guess that is why he sent his Son to die for them because of all that hate. John 3:16 For God loved the whole world,that he sent his Son...... Romans 5:8 God commendeth his love toward us that while we were yet sinners,Christ died for us. I dont think you are going to get a lot of support for that comment,kari.WOW She has my support. Her assertion, as you can see, is completely biblical. What you need understand onwings, is that God's hate is perfect. It is not the same as the selfish, vindictive human expression of hate. Everything God does, He does perfectly and without sin. God is the only one who love and hate at the same time and do both without sin. If you think God hates people then you are both beyond the point to be reasoned with. Perhaps you missed the Scriptures the first time: Psalm 5:5, "The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes; Thou dost hate all who do iniquity," Psalm 11:5, "The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked, and the one who loves violence His soul hates." Lev. 20:23, "Moreover, you shall not follow the customs of the nation which I shall drive out before you, for they did all these things, and therefore I have abhorred them." Hosea 9:15, "All their evil is at Gilgal; indeed, I came to hate them there! Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of My house! I will love them no more; All their princes are rebels." God hates sin. But, He does not punish sin. He punishes the sinner. Sin cannot be tied up and thrown into a fire. It cannot be put in a box or glued to a stick. It is rebellion. It is rebellion in the heart. It is breaking God's Law. Sin occurs inside the heart and mind of people. Therefore, God must punish the sinner. http://www.carm.org/uni/Godhates.htm God will punish the sinner,but he hates no one. It is absolutly AMAZING how you can ignore clear Scripture! I am actually flabbergasted! You don't have an answer to God's Word, so you just skip over it! Astonishing!!! Do you realize what you are doing, Onwings? You are committing the sin of idolatry. You are creating a God in your own mind. Instead of believing what the Scriptures clearly say, you would rather make God into an image that you yourself prefer.

To be honest, it's really not my concern then. I have planted the seed, and the Holy Spirit will bring the conviction. You must remember, it is NEVER us doing the convicting and saving - it is God alone. If one rejects what you have said, the Bible says to "shake the dust from your feet" and to move on.

What if someone you had witnessed to before, but was still making up their mind, saw you in the bar? What conclusion would they come to? Perhaps that you were a hypocrite, and thus reject the Gospel message? I'm not saying that your motives aren't good, just that appearance does count for a lot. Kinda like a man going to witness in a strip club.

That's kinda funny. God Himself hates the sinner. So God hates sinners huh? Now that is a far out comment. I guess that is why he sent his Son to die for them because of all that hate. John 3:16 For God loved the whole world,that he sent his Son...... Romans 5:8 God commendeth his love toward us that while we were yet sinners,Christ died for us. I dont think you are going to get a lot of support for that comment,kari.WOW She has my support. Her assertion, as you can see, is completely biblical. What you need understand onwings, is that God's hate is perfect. It is not the same as the selfish, vindictive human expression of hate. Everything God does, He does perfectly and without sin. God is the only one who love and hate at the same time and do both without sin. If you think God hates people then you are both beyond the point to be reasoned with. Perhaps you missed the Scriptures the first time: Psalm 5:5, "The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes; Thou dost hate all who do iniquity," Psalm 11:5, "The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked, and the one who loves violence His soul hates." Lev. 20:23, "Moreover, you shall not follow the customs of the nation which I shall drive out before you, for they did all these things, and therefore I have abhorred them." Hosea 9:15, "All their evil is at Gilgal; indeed, I came to hate them there! Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of My house! I will love them no more; All their princes are rebels." God hates sin. But, He does not punish sin. He punishes the sinner. Sin cannot be tied up and thrown into a fire. It cannot be put in a box or glued to a stick. It is rebellion. It is rebellion in the heart. It is breaking God's Law. Sin occurs inside the heart and mind of people. Therefore, God must punish the sinner. http://www.carm.org/uni/Godhates.htm

And what they'll get is a Iranian type Islamic dictorial government. An impoverished, corrupt, terrorist state that will leak continued aid like a sieve into other terrorist groups, and for greater amounts of weapons with which to attack Israel.

Why do you use a different approach to witnessing than your folks did? Because it took years for me to come around. I don't think those I witness to have that kind of time! Sugar, don't you know that it's all in GOD's time. Do you know how old my father was before he accepted Christ? Do you know how long we prayed for him? Indeed, it's all in God's time, but what way worked for one may not work for another. Using the Law seems to work best in my own experience. Esp. for those that I do not see often, or just strangers I meet.

Arrrrrrrgggggh! I clicked it! *Kari slips into a coma*

Why do you use a different approach to witnessing than your folks did? Because it took years for me to come around. I don't think those I witness to have that kind of time!

For me, I witness using the Law (The 10 Commandments) to convict sinners of their guilt before the Lord and the need for repentance and salvation. My family witnessed to me using the gospel and by Christian living, but did not pressure me in any way. They allowed me to make up my own mind in time.

That's kinda funny. God Himself hates the sinner. So God hates sinners huh? Now that is a far out comment. I guess that is why he sent his Son to die for them because of all that hate. John 3:16 For God loved the whole world,that he sent his Son...... Romans 5:8 God commendeth his love toward us that while we were yet sinners,Christ died for us. I dont think you are going to get a lot of support for that comment,kari.WOW Oh? Psalm 5:5, "The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes; Thou dost hate all who do iniquity," Psalm 11:5, "The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked, and the one who loves violence His soul hates." Lev. 20:23, "Moreover, you shall not follow the customs of the nation which I shall drive out before you, for they did all these things, and therefore I have abhorred them." Hosea 9:15, "All their evil is at Gilgal; indeed, I came to hate them there! Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of My house! I will love them no more; All their princes are rebels." God hates sin. But, He does not punish sin. He punishes the sinner. Sin cannot be tied up and thrown into a fire. It cannot be put in a box or glued to a stick. It is rebellion. It is rebellion in the heart. It is breaking God's Law. Sin occurs inside the heart and mind of people. Therefore, God must punish the sinner. http://www.carm.org/uni/Godhates.htm Looks like you and God are at odds when it comes to Him hating the sinner.

Ohhhhh, you didn't!

For me, I witness using the Law (The 10 Commandments) to convict sinners of their guilt before the Lord and the need for repentance and salvation. My family witnessed to me using the gospel and by Christian living, but did not pressure me in any way. They allowed me to make up my own mind in time.

It wouldn't be within the U.S. borders. It would redefine our border altogether. The tribe has been working on this for 40 years to make sure they go about it the right way. The land that they occupy is theirs in accordance with the treaties that were signed by the U.S. government. Technically the land never belonged to the U.S. government at all. Though they could take it by force or coercion with almost no resistance and force them to sign a new treaty. Obviously this would not look good on them since they have been defending Taiwans' right to independence. You can bet that the U.S. government would see far less resistance than the Chinese would. The situations are similar enough that if the U.S. were to seize the land from the Lakota by force or coercion than I would be willing to bet that China would use that as an excuse to take Taiwan by force. And if the U.S. protested they would fire back with accusation of double standards. I meant the borders as we know them today. My point is: If the US allows this to go through, what's to stop Texas, or any of the other states from trying to secede again? Don't states have sovereignty, with the Federal government being a servant of the states? Do you think that with the ongoing war on terror, the US could also fight another civil war? Hmmmmmmm........maybe this will indeed happen, and be one of the reasons why America is not mentioned in prophecy. Maybe we will simply destroy ourselves.

This is a great explination...so evil can not be created because everything He created was good and evil is opposit of good...this is obvious...I know this...So what about Is. 45:7? Misinterpretation? Mistranslation? Both? what? Because that is the only verse in the bible that I can find that actually says that God created evil...some translations say darkness. And it is obvious that God did NOT create evil. but people use that ONE verse to say that God did create evil. This may help: http://www.carm.org/diff/Isa_45_7.htm

Mark my words: There is no way on God's green earth the United States is gonna allow the Indians to become a separate nation within Americas borders. No way.

Let the Wookie Win...Chess Hooligans Bib.....you are starting to lose it, sugah...

Creeeeeeepy!

Chess holigans?

Dunno. I don't watch football! Hmmmm.....I wonder....are there any bowling or golf hooligans?

You know kari, I got that same "feeling" when I read her post..............huh................ Yeah? It's kinda creeping me out......if only we could put our fingers on it....

Call me cwaaazy.....but Marn seems to not like the IRS. I know, I know...it sounds farfetched......but, I just get that funny feeling......

Of interest to the topic from gotQuestions.org http://www.gotquestions.org/ What does the Bible say about ghosts / hauntings? Here are some Bible truths that relate to hauntings and visits by the spirits of dead people. There are only a few incidents that deal with the living having contact with a "dead" person. a) In 1 Samuel 28:7-19, King Saul seeks a woman with a familiar spirit (demon) to inquire of Samuel about what to do. That she actually manages to communicate with the dead shocks her (v. 12) indicating to me that it did not previously happen. b) In Matthew 17:1-8, Peter, James and John see Moses and Elijah with Jesus for a brief period of time. c) In Luke 16:19-31 Jesus tells the story of the rich man and Lazarus. In this story we learn of there being two compartments for the dead until the Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11f.). Also in the story the rich man asks for Lazarus to be sent back to warn the living. Abraham says it would do not good because if they will not believe God's written word, they will not believe though one should rise from the dead. From the above three passages of Scripture, I would conclude that there are compartments in which the spirits of the dead dwell for now and that while there are a few instances in which God allowed interaction between the living and the dead, those situations were very rare and not nearly as common as contact between people and angelic beings. Also Luke 16:27-31 would indicate that no human spirits are allowed to return to visit the living without permission, and if permission is not granted for the purpose of warning people to flee from the wrath to come, it would not be given for trifling reasons. Unlike the two instances dealing with actual contact or communication with dead people, there are numerous instances involving contact with angelic beings, both good angels and evil angels (demons). Many of the instances involving a good angel refer to "the angel of the LORD," usually referring to the appearance of the pre-incarnate Son of God. But many others refer to other good angels that God uses to minister on our behalf (Hebrews 1:14). To minister on our behalf, sometimes they manipulate the physical environment (1 Kings 19:5-7 (the angel touches Elijah and provides food and drink for him); 2 Kings 19:35 (the angel strikes 185,000 Assyrians dead); Daniel 6:22 (the angel closes the mouths of the lions); Acts 12:23 (the angel strikes Herod for accepting worship as though he were a god); etc.) In like fashion, there are numerous instances in which evil angels (demons) are recorded as interacting with people. And again, they are able to manipulate physical things as well. In Job 1:12-19, they manipulate people to do evil; they cause fire from the sky to consume herds of sheep; they cause a wind to blow down the house in which Job's children were staying. In the gospels a number of instances are recorded of demons possessing people (Matthew 8:16,28f.; 9:32-33; 12:24; 15:22; 17:18; etc.) In these incidents, and several others, the manifestation of the demon possession involved some physical ailment (muteness, epilepsy, blindness, but sometimes supernatural strength). They also possessed the pigs before they ran into the waters and drown in Mt. 8:28f. I would like to note three things about demons: (1) The demons have no power over anyone but what God allows, that is, Satan (and his host of evil angels) are like wild dogs on leashes and it is God who holds their leashes. They can do only what He allows (Job 1:12; Job 2:6; Matthew 8:31-32). (2) The instances of demonic involvement recorded in Scripture far outnumber the few extreme instances of interaction with dead people. (3) Christ has given His disciples authority over demons (Mark 16:17; Luke 9:1; 10:9). You might ask why God even allows demons to mess with us. If they are on His leashes, why doesn't He hold them back from any interaction with humans? In the unfathomable wisdom of God, He is able to use their evil desires and intent upon our lives and bring good out of them for Christians (In Mark 1:13 God uses Satan's temptations to prove Jesus' sinlessness; in the Book of Job, God uses Satan to show the integrity of Job's character and then later rewards Job doubly for all he went through; in 2 Corinthians 12:7, God uses Satan's affliction upon Paul to keep Paul from becoming proud). In the case of unbelievers, Satan and the evil angels serve as a type of catalyst working along with the unredeemed world's influence and the cravings of the sinful nature to bring out of unbelievers' hearts the evil that already dwells within, thus revealing to them and others what their true nature (fallen nature) is like (Matthew 15:18-19; Ephesians 2:1-3; Revelation 20:7-9). Now, as you examine Scripture, particularly the epistles which focus upon our life in the "church age," you find very little dealing with how we are to interact with the demons other than not to presume to address them in our own ability and strength (Jude 1:9). Nor are we told to dwell upon and continually wonder if there are demons working around us even now. (The answer is yes...and sometimes they manifest themselves!) But whether they do or not, they are not to be our focus. Why not? Because once again, they have no authority but what God gives them. Who and what then should be our focus? Our focus needs to be upon God and the clear commands that He gave us in Scripture; if He is our focus, we need fear nothing else (Psalm 27:1). We are not to become fascinated with the spirit world but to be fascinated by God and His awesome character and attributes (Psalm 27:4; Psalm 73:25). And if, in the course of serving Christ and relying upon Him, we should encounter manifestations of demon possession or demonic activity, we need only turn to Him in simple, believing prayer; relying upon His Word and His Holy Spirit to work as He chooses (even as we should be facing life when there are NO evident manifestations of demonic involvement, for Satan often does his most frequent and effective work behind smoke screens and never makes his presence or that of his demons evident (2 Corinthians 11:13-15). If demons should happen to be manifesting their presence somewhere, I would ask myself why. Is there a heathen idol, a fetish used in heathen worship, etc. (Deuteronomy 32:16-17; Psalm 106:37-38; 1 Corinthians 10:19-21)? Or, perhaps there is someone who has allowed themselves to become possessed by a demon or has allowed demonic involvement in their life by some repeated, serious sin (Ephesians 4:27). Any occult items in one

Hiya Star. Well, to start off, those things in your hands are not the Mark of The Beast, so don't worry about that. Those who will accept the Mark in the future will do it knowing full well they are giving their allegiance to the Antichrist. Second, and the most important, you need to stop hanging around with those people and renounce all that you've done with them. You may be possessed, I don't know. You need to see a Pastor that has experience in deliverance. (I suggest at an Assembly of God church). The only way you can be protected from these demonic forces is through the blood of Jesus. You need to know that you are a sinner and a rebel against God. You need to repent of your sins, believe that Jesus died and rose again on the 3rd day to pay the price for your transgessions, and accept Him as your Lord and Saviour. I'll be praying for you.

Tom who??? Oh, I guess my own response explains why...

What planet are you from???