seekinghiswill

seems to me if scriptures says in Matt. 19:7,8 that moses commanded to give a writing of divorcement. then it would also stand to reason their must have been a legal binding document they had at the time of marriage back then. As the bill of divorcement would make it null and void. Like in Romans 7:1,2 it talks about being bound by the law showing us that there had to be a law which had dominion and rule over their marriage a law that governored their marriage or made it a binding contract between the two. 1 Cor. 7:39 A marriage is a blood covenant agreement that two people the man and the woman enter into with one another. the marriage covenant in writing, the legal document for the public is not in effect unless there is shedding of blood between the two parties this shedding of blood is shed when the two parties on their honeymoon night join together and the virginity is taken for it is sealed or brought into effect at that time between the two parties as their is shedding of blood in taking the virginity. and they are bound to one another in the eyes of God. and the covenant agreement remains intact until death. Heb. 9:16-20 a testament is a covenant a witness between two parties and is always brought into effect by shedding of blood. like it is when Christ had to die in order that the new covenant between God and man could be brought into effect because as long as he was still living the old covenant was still in effect that had been sealed with the blood of bulls and goats. any how it is food for thought for you on the matter. just stands to reason if their had to be a writing of divorcement granted then their had to be a legal binding document for the marriage as well that had dominion over them in the marriage. That's very true. But it frustrates me that the Bible isn't specific on this... I suppose that the Bible doesn't give specifics on allot of things... I think I'm learning what God meant when he was talking about his "mysteries."

That makes sense about leaving and cleaving. I think I've come to my conclusion that that is the basic formula as well. But what I'm struggling with is that I know a couple that is living together without the traditional means of marriage. they both have made their covenant know to each other, God, and those around them.... I'm finding myself between a rock and a hard place here in my discussion with my friend. God doesn't seem to give any more information than leaving your parents and cleaving to your husband/wife... so I keep falling away from the belief that you have to be married (not saying one shouldn't or that it's better not to be) before living together and taking each other as husband/wife. I can't see God deeming their relationship sinful as others have thought it to be... So why can't they do it legally? If sex is outside marriage it is sin, and someone can't hold to the primise, that hey, in the eyes of Jesus we are married. Other people are watching, doesn't the Lord tell us to even obstain from the appearance of sin, that wouldn't be a good testimony. No one has to have a large elaborate marriage, anyone can go down to the court house. Some people call themselves married so they can continue to collect the same amount in SS benefits-is that really right-it's not a good testimony. They are in the process of doing it legally. the man's wife left him and it took her a long time to even start wanting to file divorce papers and go through with all of the hassle. That is a good point on where Christ says to avoid the appearance of sin, and that leads me to ask if the two have made a covenant before the Lord and the people around them, are they sinning?

That makes sense about leaving and cleaving. I think I've come to my conclusion that that is the basic formula as well. But what I'm struggling with is that I know a couple that is living together without the traditional means of marriage. they both have made their covenant know to each other, God, and those around them.... I'm finding myself between a rock and a hard place here in my discussion with my friend. God doesn't seem to give any more information than leaving your parents and cleaving to your husband/wife... so I keep falling away from the belief that you have to be married by a traditional ceremony (not saying one shouldn't or that it's better not to be) before living together and taking each other as husband/wife. I can't see God deeming their relationship sinful as others have thought it to be...

Yes I agree that it shouldn't be something you are ashamed of at all. Marriage is a wonderful blessing given to us from God. and making your covenant known before the public is not something we should avoid. But do we have to do it through a traditional marriage or legal means. there were other instances where God took the role of judge/pastor (Adam and Eve). Does God change his mind or give exceptions?

there are several verses that state that. but the law of the land doesn't require us to be legally married before having sex. Or that a man and wife have to be legally married to live together. the law of our land seems to take a pretty neutral "do whatever you want with each other" in that aspect... am I missing something there?

Recently I have been discussing marriage with a friend of mine. I used to believe that marriage had to take place with a ceremony where a pastor or judge performed a ceremony and was provided a legal document that stated that they had been married. I haven't found anything saying that there has to be a ceremony providing a legal document. Can a man and a woman (please lets keep it heterosexual in this topic) be married by a commitment between the man, woman, God? Or do they have to have a public ceremony? Adam and Eve didn't have to have a public ceremony. And God never made them after the fall of man. I'm looking for God inspired scriptural answers to this, not just personal opinions. I have been getting quite a few of those... but I want to know what God wants in a marriage.