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I was thinking about this whole topic this way. What if I a christian was the judge or whoever it is that gives the okay for the adoption, and I had to make the decision on a child going into a same sex home. Is there a law saying I can't discriminate? Because if I have to make that decision there could be some difficulty. Can I lose my job and if so, maybe I have to if its a compromise. Maybe I would have to seek wise council. Because I don't know what I would do. I do not like the thought of same sex homes raising children, I have had interraction with kids being brought up by two moms. one of the moms was a biological parent, they were both very loving but the ideas that the children had concerning this was(so sorry,) disgusting to me. I felt deep in my heart that it was very wrong. It is a very difficult thought, there are different situations, this particular mom was in many abusive relationships with men before taking up with this woman. Also unhealthy, she just in general made really bad choices. She maybe would have been easier to get through to than two very loving men or/ women who felt like they were a happy couple and were ready to adopt a child to make thier family complete. That is a little scary. Would I want to participate in that decision?? I don't think so. I believe that no matter where the children end up, if God has his eye on that child he will be able to get through, but it seems like the question is....... What decision would we make, if it was up to us??????

I believe that we have to do alot to fall out of Gods grace, if you see in the old testiment God was forever punishing but doing more to get them back "If you just repent I will forgive you" He was always trying to provide a way back. I think we have to have a repentive heart we also have to work out our salvation, meaning of course that its not all done at once but a continual process. I have never thought about once saved always saved, but if you think about it its kind of a non committal idea, to say once I'm saved I'm always going to be saved. I would be fearful of how easily I could fall back into sin, and let me tell you its easy to do. Just let one or two small things slide or compromise just a little, it gets easier and easier each time. I don't think we should take God for granted in that way. I don't think we should be religious, but if we love Him we will want to be like him and will want to do everything we can to be close to him. We cant' be saved and outright sin over and over and expect all will be well!

Definately wish I could say I had the mind of Christ 24/7. But I know you can make a choice to wake up every day and ask that your mind be renewed. LOL! You may have to ask again several times a day for that renewing, but it can be done! However somone who has had such a tragic thing happen may need the constant prayer and encouragement of somone who either has overcome or just has the gift of knowing how to comfort. It wouldn't be easy for such a person to just OVERCOME on thier own. I know I have had great women of God in my life who have walked me through some pretty hard stuff. I did get through. But maybe not for thier constant prayer when I couldn't pray on my own.

Peaceafire, I did a study on Liberty Savards book "Breaking the Power" My entire life was turned upside down and inside out and completely rearranged, but I am thriving from it. It was like a new life for my husband and I and it was what saved our marriage. She came to our church last year as the key speaker for our womens conference. We just didn't want her to leave. Its great that you have experienced her teaching, but it is still a concept that people find hard to grasp. embraced in its fullness though it is much easier to understand. Somtimes when I share the basic concept or use it people are thrown off, because they are so used to one way of thinking. Have you read any of her other books?

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I heard a story of a youg girl who snuck out the window in her home and while she was out, she was gang-raped by a group of boys. It was devestating and ripped her apart. However she did get back to life or what seemed like she did on the surface. She went away to college joined a bible study and a church. was a youth leader sang in the choir but really she could never get over the pain of what happened. She tried to seek help from the elders in her church and was told "just recieve Gods grace just do this or this or this. but this was not good enough. She would eventually out of pure desperation take her life. This is what I have come to learn. Just because we have become Christians and are saved doesn't mean that everything automaticly dissappears. In fact I Know first hand how very very strong our soul can be. We need to be renewed with the mind of Christ and somtimes that can take alot of work. Our souls would like to remind us of all those past tramatic facts that we cannot change and do not magically go away when we recieve Christ. Every day you have to renew your mind. I could go into a whole teaching I studied and had a life change that is unbelievable, but back to the topic. I know that I serve a God of grace and He alone knows my heart as He does with everybody. I don't think we can be quick to say Suicide is eternal damnation but I would be very careful in saying that God will forgive you if you do also. Again only God know our hearts. If he created us, and he is the only one who knows the day in which we die then suicide is definately against Gods plan for us. God is pro life!!!!!

Since it is a hypthetical question we cant' think about what would really happen in this situation. It seems to me that this is just a moral question. A right or wrong! and so this is my answer.... "For I know the plans I have for you declares the Lord, to give you a hope and a future. Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me and I will listen to you You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all of your heart............... Jerimiah 29:11 If there is a homless child out on the streets and is picked up by somone who cares about the welfare of the child then the God I know is big enough to make anything happen. His ways are not our ways. How much do we trust him? We can only see with our eyes, which sad to say are somtimes full of large planks of wood!

Non denominational charasmatic is the sort of church I attend As far as anything else I have a hard time labling myself or putting myself in a box, I believe what Jesus said I should, my heart and mind are always expanding and growing as I grow with the new understandings I have of Christ. As far as a person I am certainly not conservitive. So does somone want to explain to me in a very clear way the difference between a" conservative "christian and a "Liberal " christian? Quite frankley I have never thought about it. -Polli-

Here is a link I forgot to put in to the site Extreme Future

I was just part of a discussion on another forum, in wich they were discussing Dr. James Cantons new book "The Extreme Future" The two topics being discussed in his book were on Medicine in 2020 and our worlds energy depleting. Dr. Canton covers many more topics in his book. I have not read the book but I intend to, The forum I was on is not a "christian forum" so to speak although I know there are christians there, so I am interested in looking at this book from Gods perspective. Has anyone heard of this book and or read it, that could provide a deeper insight?