Vickilynn

Shalom, Nope. He created man and woman IN HIS OWN IMAGE and not to be "evolved", so yes, Genesis trumps evolution.

Shalom, Exactly. Amen. G-d's Word is clear and we are to obey it and trust Him. Thank you for posting these Scriptures. I have never found a caveat in the Word that says we can lie when WE feel the situation warrants it.

Shalom, The truth is, they aren't rewarded FOR their sin, but in spite of their sin. They had faith in G-d and were used by Him. That is what people are missing.

Shalom, EXACTLY. We can look at fruit, but we can in no wise ever know their heart and know if they are truly saved. There are people who exhibit "good fruit", yet are not born-again. There are people who are born-again Christians who need to clean up their act. We need to stay FAR away from making judgments about someone else's salvation. i agree with much of what you say but that 2nd sentence does not apply. there is no fruit to bear apart from the vine. we know that. we know the vine is Jesus Christ . no vine, no fruit. yes, i noticed you put fruit in quotes most likely meaning good deeds, selfless acts, etc. that's true but even so, these things would not be good fruits. Shalom Fraught, Actually I DID put "fruit" into quotes because I was meaning, as you surmised, that I was talking about outward good deeds that to someone who did not know, they could be seen as "fruit" when in fact, they were simply good deeds and had nothing to do with Jesus or being saved. There are some wonderful people in the world who do good things. If we evaluated people by their works, actions "fruit", we would miss the boat because one can only determine whether someone is truly saved by looking at their heart. And only G-d can do that.

Shalom David, Why, yes it is actually. You can check. Exactly what I've been saying all along. I'm not trying to. In fact, I've asked for clarification from you and did not receive it. I'm trying to respond to your questions which I feel were hazy. It's different whether you're asking about hiring someone for ministry in the church or evaluating your friend or considering marriage. Back to what you and I both sais, WE cannot know for sure someone is saved because we cannot see their heart, only G-d can. It ALSO pertains to marriage. That was my point. You are contradicting yourself, IMHO. I already said repeatedly that we are to "inspect their fruit", but we CANNOT make a determination to whether they are saved or not. We are not G-d. You must have me confused with someone else named Biblicist. I never questioned it or you, nor do I care to investigate it or you. I was simply trying to answer your hazy OP questions.

Shalom, AMEN amen and amen!!!!! You are correct.

Shalom LadyC, Really? Both Bib and myself answered you. I answered you twice. So, you've gotten 3 answers. No. I do not believe I would willfully lie as that is sin. I would pray, and ask G-d to provide another way to protect my child, even removing them. Again, no. I do not believe I would choose to willfully sin by lying. I would hope that I would trust G-d and He would provide another way.

Shalom LadyC, Chill please. No one chastised you for anything. You're getting all worked up about this and reading things into the posts that just aren't there.

Shalom LadyC, No ma'am. I would trust G-d, pray for protection and remove my child as soon as possible. I believe that G-d wants us to follow His Word, not our own devices. It would never be a sin to obey G-d.

Shalom Tah, To lie is to tell an untruth. A falsehood. To DECEIVE. lie1 /laɪ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[lahy] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, lied, ly

Shalom LadyC, <raising hand> I would not willfully sin by lying. Period. <raising hand> Neither would I, especially to my husband. at what point would you willfully lie to your husband? let's say instead of your child getting grounded for a month for being a minute late, that one minute would get your child physically abused by your husband. would you lie to him then to protect your child? Shalom LadyC, I would NOT willfully lie to my husband. If my child was being physically abused I would protect my child by removing them from the harmful situation.

Shalom, Amen!! And there is no justification either. You either do or don't obey and trust G-d.

Shalom LadyC, <raising hand> I would not willfully sin by lying. Period. <raising hand> Neither would I, especially to my husband. at what point would you willfully lie to your husband? let's say instead of your child getting grounded for a month for being a minute late, that one minute would get your child physically abused by your husband. would you lie to him then to protect your child? Shalom LadyC, Why are you pushing this so hard if you're not "convicted"?

Shalom LadyC, Which is the truth, G-d's Word or whether you feel "conviction"? Whether you believe you grieved G-d is not the issue. Tne Bible is the truth, not what one feels. Listen, this is not about you per se. You are making this about you, but it's not. But I will say that you are here teaching that it's OK to lie to your husband because YOU feel the ssituation warranted it, and I think that's wrong because it goes against G-d's Word a) lying to your husband who according to G-d's Word is one you should submit to b) justifying lying to save children from a punishment. I'm sorry, that's simply not Scriptural. Excuse me? This is not how the Scripture say we are to be with G-d. This just isn't sound doctrine. G-d's opinion is His Word, pure and simple. Whether one wants to obey it or not is the choice. You've made yours, but you are continuing to defend it. You say you aren't "convicted" yet every time this topic comes up, you say the same thing. I think the lady doth protest too much. We'll leave it between you and G-d.

Shalom LadyC, That's your choice. Mine is to obey G-d and not lie. As far as being more G-dly, I don't know where you're coming from, but everything we do is a choice. We have G-d's Word, we know what He expects from us. We either obey or not. If we don't obey, we can't justify our choice to disobey and fluff it off. I don't believe the Scriptures tell us that we are to teach others to lie and not think twice about it. I believe the Scriptures are clear that we are to teach that we are to obey G-d so that the Word of G-d will not be blasphemed. Titus 2:3-5 3 Older women likewise are to be reverent in behavior, not slanderers or slaves to much wine. They are to teach what is good, 4and so train the young women to love their husbands and children, 5to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled.

Shalom Richard, I believe that every parent here would protect their child or children. However, that's not the topic of this thread. even though i lied to protect them? Lying to protect your children from their father grounding them is not the same as protecting their life. Shalom, Exactly correct.

Thank you Vickilynn for that timely reminder. I shall try to keep that in mind in the future Shalom Richard, You are more than welcome.

Shalom LadyC, <raising hand> I would not willfully sin by lying. Period.

Shalom Richard, I believe that every parent here would protect their child or children. However, that's not the topic of this thread.

Shalom LadyC, Ahhh OK. Thanks for clearing that up for me. Let's look at the OP again. And we are not in disagreement, BTW, we just word it differently I believe. Yes, we are to look at the FRUIT of their profession. But NO, we cannot judge their heart. Only G-d can truly know if they are saved.

Shalom LadyC, Oh my. Where o where did you come up with all that as if that is what has been said here? David has been talking about a) hiring at church. b] Then judging if someone is saved c) false prophets and then c) marriage! Which one do you disagree with??

Shalom David, WHAT?? WOW, you really need a hobby!! So, you've gone from hiring someone in church, to telling is someone is saved, now to marriage??? Again, we cannot judge someone's HEART. Only G-d can. If you believe someone is a Christian, you can marry them. That is following the command. No one knows another's heart though, you have to trust and have faith.

Shalom, Actually, BIBLICALLY, the answer is no. Lying is a sin and if you scour the Bible, you will not see an escape clause for lying for good reasons. As for your questions, I would not reveal information, but I would not lie. And BTW, no one is getting stoned on this board, we don't allow drugs here!! Seriously, differing views are just that. Nobody's getting upset here.

Shalom David, Please answer the question, WHAT specifically are you talking about? A position in a church or questioning whether someone you know is saved? The question would incorporate both areas. When someone says, "I am a Christian", do we have a right to evaluate the validity of their statement or is it not up for discussion? The question cannot incorporate both areas. In one, we are placing ourselves as judges of their hearts. In another, we are hiring ministers. Sorry, they are completely separate issues. As I said, I don't hire ministers and I don't judge people's hearts.

Shalom David, Please answer the question, WHAT specifically are you talking about? A position in a church or questioning whether someone you know is saved?