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Shalom Wingwalker, Too funny.

Shalom Thoughtful, No, you missed the point. It is an argument, as in your point of discussion in this topic. Your side is your "argument." Actually, you're incorrect. There is no such thing as "no exceptions." You cannot make that blanket statement and be correct. You should know that these types of generalities are not logical. First off, my opinion is my opinion. You don't know how "strong" my opinion is. We all have opinion here, you too. So yes, I have an opinion and I post it. It's what we do here. Number one, you are NOT a parent. You have no experience with raising children and knowing what they will or won't do. I don't say that to be mean, but simply that it's the truth and it's also common sense, which you highly regard. Whether you doubt it or not has no bearing on the truth that it happens. Did you perchance read Butero's post in this thread? He gives examples. I know personally of families where it happened. Experience always trumps opinion. It never happened in my family because we refused to lie to our children. When you get to be a parent, you can make the choice to lie to your children or not. However, lying is wrong according to the Bible. The bottom line is Thoughtful, I live my life by the Bible, not man's opinion. You will see that in my posts over and over. G-d's Word is the authority, not man's opinion. The Bible says we are not to lie. Period. There is no excuse for deliberately lying to children for whatever reason.

Shalom, For as many posts that say lying to children is OK and they won't grow up to question the existence of G-d, there are jusrt as many saying the opposite and citing experiences with it. I for one, was not willing to take that chance. I also do not believe it is very Christian to lie, especially to our children. I don't see any Biblical support for doing so. IN fact, the Bible says not to lie. So those who argue that it's OK to lie have no Biblical ground to argue.

Shalom SP, No one is "blaming" anyone. There's not one post that blames anyone. I'm sorry you feel that way. You are entitled to your opinion and I'm not going to go back and forth with you on it. I just want to say that the onus is on EACH of us to dress and behave in a way that does not cause our brother to stumble. Anything less than that is not loving one another as Jesus loves us and calls us to love. I appreciate the exhortation for women to consider that the Word says we must dress modestly as sometimes we don't think about it. That's all. I'll leave you alone now. Love you!

Shalom SP, So are you saying the Bible does not say that women are to dress modestly? 1 Timothy 2 8 I desire then that in every place the men should pray, lifting holy hands without anger or quarreling; 9 likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire, 10(S) but with what is proper for women who profess godliness

Shalom Rufus, So, now you're saying it's OK to teach Biblical modesty? That's not what you said before, at least how I read it. The article written was written by a woman. The bottom line is that women are to be dressing modestly is a BIBLICAL truth. That truth can come by G-dly men or women, but as I posted in Titus 2, it is the responsibility of older Christian women to teach the younger ones in the faith and that covers dressing modestly. However, the truth is still truth and if no woman teaches the truth, it is not wrong for a G-dly man to. Paul (a man) taught the women to dress modestly in his letter to Timothy. He instructed Timothy (a man) to teach it as well. 1 Timothy 2 8 I desire then that in every place the men should pray, lifting holy hands without anger or quarreling; 9likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire, 10(S) but with what is proper for women who profess godliness

Shalom, Same here. Never lied to my children.

Shalom SP, You're entitled to your opinion, but the Bible says plainly that women are to dress modestly. And, no blame is not the reason for the burqa. The religions such as Islam demand the burqa and it is not accurate to equate that with the Biblical command for women to dress modestly. And, as said before, Jesus calls us to love. If we truly live G-d's Word, we will be aggressive in our actions to not make our brothers stumble. That is love. How can we witness to people when we refuse to live by G-d's Word? How can we say we love them as Jesus loves them if we are unwilling to love them in our dress and everything else?

Shalom Wingwalker, Amen. Thank you for your gracious reply. Neither do I, and personally I don't agree with all of them. But the Biblical foundation of asking ourselves if we are dressing modestly is a good one. I personally have never thought of a checklist, and I learned something cool from the OP. But, as I said, my checklist is not the same as the author of the article and that's OK. Of course, modesty is subjective. I'm not saying the author of the article is correct in all her assertions of what NOT to wear, but agreeing simply that it is a subject that we, as Christian women, should take responsibility for and think more about. That's all. It's not, I assure you. And I agree strongly that it is something we MUST do if we truly love one another as Jesus calls us to. Amen! And that is why we need this teaching in the church.

Shalom Afal, The poster has been one who has posted on the board before. Whether the OP makes any comments or not, the OP stands and all are free to contribute to the topic. I think it's a good one and one that makes for good discussion and Bible teaching. If you wish to drop out, that's up to you, but I think the thread is fine as it is, people are making interesting comments back and forth. There is no board rule that states the OP must join in the conversation BTW.

Shalom Rufus, You point out that sisters NEED to be taught, and yet you criticize those who teach and accuse them of evil motives? So I'm confused what you're trying to say. Would you please clarify?

Shalom Rufus, Oh my, what an unG-dly thing to say about people you don't even know! How can you judge people's heart like that? Shame. As a Titus 2 women's teacher, I wholeheartedly DISAGREE with your opinion that women know what modest means. In fact, I think more women's ministries should teach what modest means because so many women do not know. I deal with this daily, so I see it first-hand. Most women do NOT know what modest means and sincerely need to be taught. We have people being saved left and right and have no Christian upbringing and no teaching on what the Bible calls "Good" teaching. We, as women of the faith are to teach the younger ones in the faith HOW to walk as women unto G-d. IT's not about control, it's about love - loving G-d, His Word and love for our sisters in the faith. Be careful when you judge people's hearts and motives that only G-d can judge, for with that you will be judged. Luke 6 37 "Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven; 38 give, and it will be given to you.

Shalom Emily Anne, Thank you. I said the same thing at the same time!!! Great Minds Think Alike! LOL! (now, I know someone is gonna misinterpret that and flame me! but chill, it's just a joke! )

Shalom Thoughtful, Please don't hijack this thread. The topic is about women dressing modestly. If you want to start another debate about Titus 2:3-5, please start another thread. This one is about modest dress for women.

Shalom, Back to topic, Bottom line is, the OP is a BIBLICAL exhortation to women to dress modestly. It is Scriptural. It is not legalistic. It is not Pharisaical. It is G-d's Word. It is good to take it and apply it to our lives instead of kicking and screaming against it.

I agree, we should teach girls and women to dress appropriately. I absolutely agree. But that's just common sense. Women are more apt to be harmed when dressed a certain way. In bringing a bible verse into it, you took the words "They are to teach what is good". But what of the rest? Do we just leave that part out? Along with those things should we also not teach women to submit wholly to their husbands, and to work at home? Context. It is good to take teachings from the bible. But one cannot simply take a few words from a verse and leave out the rest. It was written in context, and so should remain in context. Shalom Thoughtful, Sorry, you have stated something that is an incorrect assumption and run with it. I bolded the WHOLE verse. However, I was making a point about "teaching what is good." Who said anything about not taking the rest of the verse and applying it? That's why I posted ALL of it, because it's applicable. I teach ALL of it because it is ALL G-d's Word. You should really consider the contest of the post before making incorrect statements. It is not only illogical, but it is simply a lie to accuse anyone of ignoring the rest of that verse.

Shalom Emily Anne, Amen, good words. I am also reminded of Titus 2: 3-5 3 Older women likewise are to be reverent in behavior, not slanderers or slaves to much wine. They are to teach what is good, 4and so train the young women to love their husbands and children, 5to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled. We are to teach women what is GOOD. We are not to teach them that if dress seductively and our brother stumbles that it is HIS fault for not turning his eyes away. That is not Biblical thinking and it goes against what we, as women, should do, live and teach our daughters and those in the faith.

Shalom, The OP is a good, solid, Biblical exhortation and yet people are getting their knickers in a knot at being reminded that women should dress modestly. The BIBLE says women should dress modestly. It doesn't say MEN, but it is assumed that both men and women should dress modestly. So, if one is going to reject the admonition for WOMEN to dress modestly then that person is rejecting Scripture. 1 Timothy 2 8 I desire then that in every place the men should pray, lifting holy hands without anger or quarreling; 9 likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire, 10 but with what is proper for women who profess godliness

Shalom, Amen and amen and amen!

Shalom SP, No, you misunderstand, I'm not blaming her at all! If you read my post, you'll see that I said she didn't know! I'm just saying that we women should be mindful of our weaker brothers and not do anything that gives them ammunition. I'm just saying that we women can unknowingly cause men to stumble by our attire and how we conduct ourselves and we should be mindful of causing our brothers to stumble. That is a Biblical foundation - we should not knowingly do anything to cause our brother to stumble.

Shalom Smalcald, Excellent advice. Amen!! On the plane going from the US to Israel, the Orthodox men who were assigned seats next to women (not their wives), asked to be moved next to men. It may be extreme for us folks, but these practices are wise and help avoid sexual temptation.

Shalom Sheya Joie, A wise word of experience. Thank you for sharing that. We had something similar happen to some friends of ours and it caused terrible repercussions. The woman who wore modest clothing (long skirts, loose tops), had no idea that she did something in front of a man (not her husband) and the man was able to see part of her body that he used for sexual fantasy. Please women, please be mindful.

Shalom Saints, Let's get real here. I don't give a flip what Madonna does. What I care about is the fact she is so lost. I pray she will open her heart to the Truth - Yeshua and give her life to Him. And I pray for those she comes in contact with, that they would not believe her lies, but instead, see Yeshua as the ONLY true salvation.

Shalom, AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And Merry Christmas!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shalom Y'all, I pray that everyone here focused on G-d yesterday and not on the turkey. I pray that in each of your homes, y'all were filled to overflowing with thanksgiving and gratefulness for all the things our G-d has done. Not that we should not be grateful EVERY day, but in G-d's Word, there are special times to put aside all else and truly focus on Him. THanksgiving is a time to reflect and remember the good things and blessings that only G-d can bestow. Besides, when all the turkey (and leftovers) are gone and the family and friends have gone home, what will stand? Turkey? NO. But our thanksgiving to G-d. James 1: 16 Do not be deceived, my beloved brothers. 17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change. 18 Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth,(F) that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.