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Why would God need to see through an angel's eyes? If God's omnipresent, why would he need to see through an angels eyes? Good question. I never said God "needs" to look through ANYTHING, let alone an angel's eyes.

I used to think this way. Lately, though, for some reason, I've been pressed to fear the name of the Lord and use it only in reverence. It weighs so heavily on my conscience that I even hesitate to use "gosh". Old habit are hard to break, though, and slip-ups are possible. I pray God keeps me careful and has mercy on me when I fall. Today, my husband(a nonbeliever) played a song that kept repeating the phrase "I ain't no g**-d**n son of a b***h" over and over and over again. You know how songs get stuck in your head? This was playing in my head even after my husband left for bike-night, tonight. Repeated words and phrases are like songs that get stuck in your head. It's better, for our Christian testimony, not to develop a habit of using God's name lightly, even in jest. Just my $0.02.

Shiloh, the "sons of God" were NOT the righteous line of Seth. If you believe it is, please back it with scripture.

Welcome to Worthy, Past Tense!

I don't believe God was actually IN this cloud. I believe He was looking "through" as in, the way you can look through a telescope(for example) or a monitoring device. The way Jesus said that God sees us through the eyes of the angels who are "always in the presence of God". Are the angels omnipresent? Do the angel's leave the children they're supposed to be watching, to go tell on offenders? It seems to me, more realistically, that God can see what they see. Like God can look through their eyes.

I watched the movie "The Secret" and it's theme was basically that if you believe something will happen, you make that thing happen, no matter what it is. Money, wealth, power, beauty...etc. This theme is all over the place now, from many different angles and storylines. Some stories have people believing in wishes, positive energies, witchcraft, all pointing to self. One thing they all have in common is they remove God from every equation. Without God, there is no peace on earth.

Amen!

I certainly don't SEARCH for bad fruit. As we keep ours eyes on God, anything other than the fruit of His Spirit is plainly evident. It is a natural consequence of abiding in Christ. It's something I have to remind myself of, from time to time. Evil is all around us, everywhere we look, in every media and even in everyday conversations with the people in our lives. We don't even have to look for "bad fruit". You know what's funny(not in a haha sort of way), many people who admit to being nonbelievers or atheists show, outwardly, what looks to be the "fruit of the Spirit", and we can be fooled. On the other hand, many Christians are being persecuted by the "principalities and powers"(spiritual warfare) in this world and can, during their battles, display what outwardly appears to be less-than-perfect mannerisms. We, Christians and nonchristians, often view this as "bad fruit". That's why Jesus told us it's better not to judge others. Not to go around like fruit inspectors but to keep our eyes on our own fruit.

Too much searching for bad fruit will eventually produce bad fruit in yourselves. Better to keep our eyes on God.

I think you may have accidently missed my reply to that about the men who married women they shouldn't have married and were forced to divorce them, in order to get right with God.

Dear Light, how are we to solve our differences if we all"held our tongues"? Rest assured, what I said(can only speak for my part) was said in God's love and to fix an issue. I apologize to Cajun for attempting to fix it in his thread.

Antiaging, I believe you're suffering a demonic attack, the same attack they've used on many. Hold fast to the beliefs your heart tells you to. I'm praying for you.

That's awesome! Still praying.

And the only time one kind tell the differences in their fruit is at harvest time. And it will be the angels seperating them at harvest and burning the tares(weeds). Matthew 13:37-43 37)He answered, "The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. 38)The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 39)and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels. 40)"As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41)The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42)They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43)Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear. Until then, it isn't our jobs to determine who is what. Matthew 13:30 30)Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.'

Daniel was terrified by an angel.

I hope your wife understands that severe pain can cause a person to be a little less than happy-go-lucky. Marriage is supposed to be "through sickness and in health...", not "through the good times only...". I'm praying for your healing.

No, it's a gathering of all the advice you've given in the past month that I'm speaking of.

Suzanne, you know nothing about what I'm going through right now and yet you continuously presume to spit your illadvice at me. You continuously throw scriptures at people, all over this forum, that do nothing but accuse and cast down. Go and take a look at the many choices of scriptures you've used and in what context, go ahead, and then tell me I'm wrong. Your favorite person to quote is Paul and most of the time it's out of context. You go around pointing at people and accusing, you do it more than anyone in here. You tell people to question their salvation in an accusing manner. You did it to me. Satan is the accuser. Why are you playing his role? You do this a lot. More than anyone I've noted. If there is "contention" in here it is coming from you.

That verse doesn't really help people who met their spouse while they themselves were not children of God. To post that verse in this context is to say that the "wicked", nonbelieving spouse should be avoided, left, even. I never referred to "married" people. (I'm sorry if you took it that way.) It clearly is speaking of "friends". In His Love, Suzanne Lets not play games, Suzanne, you posted that directly after speaking of husbands and wives.

And here is God's opinion on the matter of leaving the covenant of marriage: Malachi 2:14........It is because the Lord is acting as the witness between you and the wife of your youth, because you have broken faith with her, though she is your partner, the wife of your marriage covenant. 15 Has not the Lord made them one? In flesh and spirit they are his. And why one? Because he was seeking godly offspring. So guard yourself in your spirit, and do not break faith with the wife of your youth. 16 "I hate divorce," says the Lord God of Israel, "and I hate a man's covering himself with violence as well as with his garment," says the Lord Almighty. So guard yourself in your spirit, and do not break faith. Matthew 19:6 So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate." Mark 10:9 Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate." In His Truth, Suzanne What about the husbands who had to leave their wives and children because they married women they shouldn't have married? God allowed these men to leave, apparently. He allowed this divorce to happen(?), even though the men were just as much to blame, if not more.

That verse doesn't really help people who met their spouse while they themselves were not children of God. To post that verse in this context is to say that the "wicked", nonbelieving spouse should be avoided, left, even.

That's an excellent example of worship and what worked and what didn't work. The Israelites were a generation who had Egyptian ideals planted into them from birth and it didn't matter that their parents knew and taught the ways of the God of Abraham. The seeds of evil were still there and growing in them. They fed each other's garden, so to speak. Part of the reason they lasted as long as they did in the dessert was because God was waiting for that generation to die off while planting seeds to be grown in a people worthy to be called the people of God when He brought them into the Promised Land. Had Moses adjusted downward, compensating for their flaws, moreso than he did, God would have eventually killed them there in that dessert. The laws Moses laid down were so strict because they had to be, given what the Israelites had come out of and had planted into them. (When Jesus came, He shed light on the many flaws in THOSE laws and corrected imbalances,example.) What many churches are doing today is adjusting downward. Where will we be in 20 years, I wonder, if we keep on in this direction.

Cajun, Once again, it's very vexing. Very, very vexing, let me tell you. Thank God, He runs scriptures through my mind every time I'm in a state of panic and am about to run away, like: "When a man's ways are pleasing to the Lord, He maketh even his enemies to live at peace with Him." and a lot of other Psalms and Proverbs I take God up on. God doesn't go back on His Word. Ever. We are the ones who have the trouble with faith and therefore fall, many times. Good thing He's there to pick us back up again. LightofJesus, thank you for posting that testimony.

That's what I've always figured, because there wasn't scriptural proof to back the claim. I'm glad to see I wasn't "missing something". I doubt that book has anything more than opinion but that's just a guess. I'd never discredit someone's personal experience, though.

I'd like to know that, too. It's something I was always taught, that you're supposed to ask them their names before you can cast them out completely.(reminds me of Rumpelstiltskin) I've always wondered if there was a reason for this and if it actually mattered.