Isaiah 6:8

well I'll do the same, my response to you on the same question. What you do not see is the heart. You see sometimes the only difference between a mass murderer and a normal person may be that one had the courage to do it. You see we never know the condition of the heart. being good is all relative. You see, you may be a good person, compared to the likes of Charles Manson, but how good are you if you compare yourself to someone like mother Teresa? Another thing your not getting is this. God does not send us to hell. He made hell for the Devil and his demons. We choose to go there or not. You see we choose our own punishment. If I told you that you were on a doomed plane and offered you a parachute to jump off and you refused, would your doom be on the hands that offered you the gift, or on yourself for refusing the gift?. You see since you brought up C.S. Lewis you must have missed part of his book, let me put it in his words. You see absolute goodness can not have any evil as any part of it, ever. So no matter how good you may have been on earth, you must have at some point in your life, both by thought and deed done some sort of evil. I know I have. I have hated to the point of wishing someone dead. Now most people would call me a good person, I follow the laws, I do good deeds etc. but that hatred I had in my heart towards a person, (not sin, as its okay to hate evil) then, the Bible, Jesus calls me a murderer. So by that definition, I have committed adultery (lustful thoughts towards , murdered, and done all sorts of crime, that no one would call "Good" in my heart. Now you see, what you see on the outside means nothing. Its whats in the heart that counts.

OSLO, Norway -- A gunman who opened fire on an island teeming with young people kept shooting for 1.5 hours before surrendering to a SWAT team, which arrived 40 minutes after they were called, police said Saturday. Survivors of the shooting spree have described hiding and fleeing into the water to escape the gunman, but a police briefing Saturday detailed for the first time how long the terror lasted -- and how long victims waited for help. Related Video Terror in Norway Student on Oslo attacks When the SWAT team arrived, the gunman, who had two firearms, surrendered, said Police Chief Sveinung Sponheim. "There were problems with transport to Utoya" island, where the youth-wing of Norway's Labor Party was holding a retreat, Sponheim said. "It was difficult to get a hold of boats, but that problem was solved when the SWAT team arrived." At least 85 people were killed on the island, but police said four or five people were still missing. Divers have been searching the waters around the island. The attack followed a bombing at a government building in Oslo, where seven people were killed. Police are still digging through rubble there, and Sponheim said body parts remain in the building. Police have not identified the suspect, but Norwegian national broadcaster NRK say he is 32-year-old Anders Behring Breivik. Authorities have not identified a motive but have said he visited Christian fundamentalist websites and once belonged to the youth-wing of a rightist party. Police said he is talking to them and has admitted to firing weapons on the island. It was not clear if he had confessed to anything else he is accused of. Police said he retained a lawyer, but the attorney did not want to be named. "He has had a dialogue with the police the whole time, but he's a very demanding suspect," Sponheim said. Norway's royal family and prime minister led the nation in mourning, visiting grieving relatives of the scores of youth gunned down. Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg said the twin attacks made Friday peacetime Norway's deadliest day. "This is beyond comprehension. It's a nightmare. It's a nightmare for those who have been killed, for their mothers and fathers, family and friends," Stoltenberg told reporters earlier Saturday. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/07/23/norway-bomb-suspect-bought-6-tons-fertilizer/#ixzz1Sx4fcvsr

I can see why someone would refuse a baptism. When I first went to college I met up with some Christians, studied the Bible with them, enjoyed the fellowship and worship and made some really good friends. However they were really big into water baptism, and did not see me as saved because of this as I only had an infant baptism which was later confirmed as an early teen, not a real baptism. I myself refused the baptism because I felt that I had already been baptized by the holy spirit (John the Baptist said that he baptized in water, but Jesus would baptize us with the holy spirit), and to get a water baptism so that I would be saved didn't feel like glorifying God (for whatever you do, do it to the glory of God), but glorifying myself in an open demonstration of faith that I felt was unnecessary. So I refused to be baptized in water. I think Mark is talking about baptism of the holy spirit. Even the Devil believes, yet he is not saved. A water baptism will not save him, but a baptism of the holy spirit will, at least in theory. Baptism is baptism, you are only baptized once according to scripture, it does not matter if it was when you were an infant or 75 years old, it is not about our decision it is God's work and grace not ours, it is a gift. So of course you would refuse to be re-baptized as doing that would show a lack of faith in what God has already done you did the right thing. I was baptized as an infant and I would never be baptized now again as I rely on the promise of God not my actions. As the passage in Mark says; only unbelief condemns us. There is no such thing as real and false baptisms, if you are baptized in the name of the Triune God you are baptized, period. Does this mean, that if your baptized as an infant, you will go to heaven regardless of what choices you make? Absolutely not, just as if you are baptized when you are 65. As Mark says, unbelief condemns. okay just checking!

I can see why someone would refuse a baptism. When I first went to college I met up with some Christians, studied the Bible with them, enjoyed the fellowship and worship and made some really good friends. However they were really big into water baptism, and did not see me as saved because of this as I only had an infant baptism which was later confirmed as an early teen, not a real baptism. I myself refused the baptism because I felt that I had already been baptized by the holy spirit (John the Baptist said that he baptized in water, but Jesus would baptize us with the holy spirit), and to get a water baptism so that I would be saved didn't feel like glorifying God (for whatever you do, do it to the glory of God), but glorifying myself in an open demonstration of faith that I felt was unnecessary. So I refused to be baptized in water. I think Mark is talking about baptism of the holy spirit. Even the Devil believes, yet he is not saved. A water baptism will not save him, but a baptism of the holy spirit will, at least in theory. Baptism is baptism, you are only baptized once according to scripture, it does not matter if it was when you were an infant or 75 years old, it is not about our decision it is God's work and grace not ours, it is a gift. So of course you would refuse to be re-baptized as doing that would show a lack of faith in what God has already done you did the right thing. I was baptized as an infant and I would never be baptized now again as I rely on the promise of God not my actions. As the passage in Mark says; only unbelief condemns us. There is no such thing as real and false baptisms, if you are baptized in the name of the Triune God you are baptized, period. Does this mean, that if your baptized as an infant, you will go to heaven regardless of what choices you make?

Nice! Very Cool shot!

Will do!

now your being facetious. I am using the computer program illustration as that is what Venter used as well. Because all a computer program is simply ones and zeros, off and on. Using that yes, you could build a computer program from same material as DNA actually and hold it in your hand. I understand. Altered in this sense I meant replaced. However again the native DNA is replace 100% you now admit that. You first said that it was an empty shell, then you said that it was alive because the DNA, now you finally admit that it was alive before its DNA was replaced. You see, you keep making untrue statements, that you change when proven wrong. Fact, the original organism was alive before the tampering. It was alive with out the new DNA, You said it was alive because the DNA. The new, manufactured DNA replaced the DNA and maintained the life that was already there. He did not take a dead cell, add DNA and have it live. Again using Venter's terms, he used the same terms, and by definition DNA is the code of life. Mass or not, is not the issue. You are seeming to grasp at straws here. You see, Cells are not computers either. You are attacking the illustration, not the point of the illustration, this shows you have not a leg to stand on. You see, I am addressing the following statements. Nope. Read up on Craig Venter. Very cool seminar by the way. Four bottles of chemicals, a computer, and voila. You are claiming that Craig Venter created life. You said read up on him, and I did. Turns out your statement and a few subsequent statements turned out to be patently false. Such as you stating This was simply untrue. It was a full living bacteria, that he injected. You see, I may not be an expert on DNA. but I am a good researcher, and I learn by reading. I then watched the a few videos on what he said and used the same illustration he did, and your attacking me for using it. That means that you don't think he knew what he was talking bout. So no, life has never come from non life. He did not build the cell and add the DNA. He did not even do Frankenstein and bring life to dead tissue. He simply reprogrammed another living organism by swapping out its DNA. An individual living thing that can react to stimuli, reproduce, grow, and maintain homeostasis. It can be a virus, bacterium, protist, fungus, plant or an animal. http://www.biology-o...ionary/Organism

The toll as of now is 91, counting the 7 dead from the bombing, the suspect is Norwegian, with no ties to Islamic terror, although at least two Islamic terrorist groups attempted to claim responsibly.

That is why I seem to be putting more and more of the Word in my replies,whole chapters even so the biblical context is not missed.

Seems to me all he did was reprogram a living cell. No read the paper he took a living organism injected it wit the dna he created and that DNA replaced the original host DNA. It was alive before it had it's DNA altered. He did not build a computer, he simply replaced windows with Linux. It worked before as a windows machine now it works as a Linux machine. It's still a computer and no one in there right mond would claim that you bult a whole computer when all you did was replace the program. Nope I never said that. I an just stating your claim about life being created by a man in a lab is false. There leaves the problem that life in no way has been seen coming from non life. Ever.

shot, one ferry man who was trying to get them off to help said he had one shot in the head who survived.

The Island only had one way off a ferry, they youth tried to swim back, and anywhere from 20-40 reported dead youth.

The prime minister was due here tomorrow. Also due to it being the middle of most Norwegian vacation time, there was very few people around when the blast happened.

*hug*

[update: 12:50 p.m. ET, 6:50 p.m. Oslo] Norwegian State broadcaster NRK and the press spokesperson for the StateSecretary has confirmed to CNN that a person dressed up as a policeman fired shots at a Labour party youth camp on Utoya island in Norway. Many people are injured.

Will Do.

Confirmed terrorism, and a few other suspicious packages have been found.

we were shopping nearby last weekend!

Please pray!

OSLO, Norway – DEVELOPING: A powerful blast tore open several Oslo buildings including the prime minister's office on Friday. One person was reportedly killed and several were injured, as the blast shattered windows and coated the street with documents. Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg is safe, government spokeswoman Camilla Ryste told The Associated Press, although it was unclear whether that meant he was uninjured. Norway's public broadcaster, NRK, said one person was confirmed killed. There was no immediate word on the cause of the blast. NRK showed video of a blackened car lying on its side amid the debris. Most of the windows in the 20-floor highrise were blown out, and the bottom floor appeared to be gutted. Nearby offices were also heavily damaged and evacuated, including those housing some of Norway's leading newspapers and news agency NTB. Witness Ole Tommy Pedersen was standing at a bus stop about 100 meters from the high-rise at around 3:30 p.m. when the explosion occurred. "I saw three or four injured people being carried out of the building a few minutes later," Pedersen told AP. An AP reporter who was in the NTB office said the building shook from the blast and all employees evacuated as the alarm went off. Down in the street, he saw one person with a bleeding leg being led away from the area. The government building houses the offices of the prime minister and his administration. Several ministries are in surrounding buildings. The blast comes as Norway grapples with a homegrown terror plot linked to Al Qaeda. Two suspects are in jail awaiting charges. Last week, a Norwegian prosecutor filed terror charges against an Iraqi-born cleric for threatening Norwegian politicians with death if he is deported from the Scandinavian country. The indictment centered on statements that Mullah Krekar -- the founder of the Kurdish Islamist group Ansar al-Islam -- made to various news media, including American network NBC. Terrorism has also been a concern in neighboring Denmark since an uproar over cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad six years ago. Danish authorities say they have foiled several terror plots linked to the 2005 newspaper cartoons that triggered protests in Muslim countries. Last month, a Danish appeals court on Wednesday sentenced a Somali man to 10 years in prison for breaking into the home of the cartoonist. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/07/22/explosion-damages-buildings-in-norwegian-capital/#ixzz1SqsPgzaI

News, we may reapply if we surrender it.

not bad for a non planet..... LOL

His name is Thor, he sometimes visits Chyanne mountain.

Shiloh does a good job of explaining here

This thread is going into to many details. Closed.