Willow99

Could you explain this. Before you where regenerated did you not say these same things in your heart, and by your actions. Some are just more bold, and say it with thier mouth. I believe the fact that the 'person' calls will lead you to do an inquiry of the heart. Why do you feel the way you do would be your question. (Though being man we would express suprise at such bold statements) Then you would present yourself as a one whom 'the person' has a misconception about. I do believe that is what God does with such honesty of heart. This is taken from the book The Kneeling Christian, from the chapter 'Who May Pray'. It is a wonderful example of honesty of heart, and God rewarding that honesty. I pray that we may all have such honesty before God in all things. Faith is a gift something that Jesus is the Author of. One cant have faith until they have agreed/believed into Christ Believing is somthing that man can do. It is our agreement. I suppose this reply was intended for me. What would be my reaction to a phone call like that -- I would think they were batty or drunk/doped, I guess. What would you think to receive a phone call like that? My reaction would be much different hearing someone make a statement like that about God. They need compassion and a reason to hope. I believe everyone who sincerely seeks God will find Him for it's not His Will that any should perish but that all would come to the knowledge of truth. Actually that response was not for you. Man was responding to someone else, and I responded to him. What led you to believe that comments were for you. I have no idea.

I think all things work towards good to them that love and serve Him as the Bible says. We grow through tribulation and trials so they have their purpose. We come to the point of feeling the peace in His love no matter what life throws our way after a time. He is our only refuge.

Could you explain this. Before you where regenerated did you not say these same things in your heart, and by your actions. Some are just more bold, and say it with thier mouth. I believe the fact that the 'person' calls will lead you to do an inquiry of the heart. Why do you feel the way you do would be your question. (Though being man we would express suprise at such bold statements) Then you would present yourself as a one whom 'the person' has a misconception about. I do believe that is what God does with such honesty of heart. This is taken from the book The Kneeling Christian, from the chapter 'Who May Pray'. It is a wonderful example of honesty of heart, and God rewarding that honesty. I pray that we may all have such honesty before God in all things. Faith is a gift something that Jesus is the Author of. One cant have faith until they have agreed/believed into Christ Believing is somthing that man can do. It is our agreement. I suppose this reply was intended for me. What would be my reaction to a phone call like that -- I would think they were batty or drunk/doped, I guess. What would you think to receive a phone call like that? My reaction would be much different hearing someone make a statement like that about God. They need compassion and a reason to hope. I believe everyone who sincerely seeks God will find Him for it's not His Will that any should perish but that all would come to the knowledge of truth.

Christianity is based on faith. That's why science can't prove it or disprove it. God searches the heart and knows them who are sincerely seeking Him.

We live in a sin cursed world and because of it the sun as well as the rain befalls us all.

Never sell yourself short. Lead by example. Sometimes our actions speak louder than anything we could have ever said. I wholeheartedly agree!

I agree it is a two-way street but I have to be honest, speaking as a man... ...it confuses me when women who expose themselves act shocked when men stare. I try to be pure of mind but it is hard in certain enviroments. I lock out the "bad" channels on my satelite but it is hard to lock out trips to Wal-mart. Amen, brother, I hear ya. One guy says he prays for the woman that God will save her or show her how wrong she is if she's already saved. It would help if Pastors would preach on these subjects. People seem more inclined to listen to them rather than an ordinary person like me.

I agree.

When taking Scripture out of context you won't get right meaning of it. It's by the mercies of God that we are saved at all. He has to be bidding us to come, to repent and accept Christ as our Saviour. He surely gives us a measure of faith at that time or we couldn't be saved. I agree with whoever it was that said, it's up to us to build on that faith.

We can't lay all the blame on men or say they just have a dirty mind. We need to do our part by dressing decently. The Scripture comes to mind, "Am I my brother's keeper?"

This statement seems to imply that women don't have a mind of their own when it comes to dressing themselves. You want to blame somebody......blame the devil. Everybody's responsible for their own actions. A lot of the women I know feel pressured to dress to please their husbands; hopefully, to try and keep his eyes from roaming. We also feel like we have to look as good as the "world" and it shouldn't be that way. Many churches are just too worldly also. We really have a lot to consider but I feel if we all or just part of us would stop and dress like we feel a Christian should - I mean there is courage in numbers. God Bless I don't mean to sound harsh or rude, but you shouldn't worry about what other people think. If you want to dress the way you feel a christian should dress, then do it. Who cares what the world thinks. The world isn't going to be standing next to you when you're standing in front of the Lord. It's gonna be just you and Him. Think about that. Just because we live in this world, doesn't mean we have be a part of it. Again, I apologize if my words have a bite.....I don't know how else to put it. No problem. I do dress the way I feel God would have me to but I understand the peer pressure that women are under.

I agree with you 'glory2000' there needs to be more modesty in our society both men and women. If one don't know what modesty is then it is "Cover It Up" it not really about what you wear or don't wear but it is about keeping it covered. OC I'm all for more modest dress for men and women. I just don't think women should be responsible for men's thoughts. Nor should men think that they are not immodest when they dress in very little. What about causing us women to stumble? Huh? Yes, I've seen men dress inappropiately too. Pants too tight, muscle shirts or no shirt at all.

This statement seems to imply that women don't have a mind of their own when it comes to dressing themselves. You want to blame somebody......blame the devil. Everybody's responsible for their own actions. A lot of the women I know feel pressured to dress to please their husbands; hopefully, to try and keep his eyes from roaming. We also feel like we have to look as good as the "world" and it shouldn't be that way. Many churches are just too worldly also. We really have a lot to consider but I feel if we all or just part of us would stop and dress like we feel a Christian should - I mean there is courage in numbers. God Bless

Yes, I agree. One can't tell the Christian from the sinner a lot of the time.

If you notice in Romans where Paul refers to faith. He was speaking to other believers, so all of them to whom he was speaking had a measure of faith. IMO

The Bible says that not all men have faith. 2 Th. 3:2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.

Judgment of the evil dead.

That is not your statement that I was addressing. I was addressing this statment: Notice your statement did not qualify who was God's chosen people except to the extent that it was nobody. I don't believe that the US is God's chosen people in this day and age. His chosen people has been and always will be the Jews. God has chosen to bless America for His purpose; undoubtedly to stand with the Hebrews during the last days (IMHO). Hopefully you can now see my "purpose" for posting what I did. It seemed to me that some people act and believe that they are God's chosen people today. I merely stated God has no chosen people today. So I guess we agree on that. If you are maintaining that the Jews are not God's chosen, then we are not in agreement. The Bible clearly states that the Jews are God"s chosen ones. It's here in the posts that I acknowledge the Jews as God's chosen people. Willow99

Certainly there are, and the hypocrisy of using this as justification for the invasion sticks in my craw as well. However, it can't be denied that removing Saddam from power and bringing him to justice for his crimes was a good thing. It's sad that the American-devised plan to steal the oil fields and contain Iran/Syria has resulted in so much bloodshed, and sad that Her Majesty's Government was too spineless to refuse to get involved, but nothing's served by lamenting these facts. Personally I'd rather have seen the British Army, alone, drag Saddam out of Baghdad and hand him over to The Hague for trials on charges of crimes against humanity, and then systematically clean out every corrupt, bloody regime in the Commonwealth one by one, but that's not terribly likely to happen after the foul-up Iraq has become. Besides, people would cry about "British imperialism" if we did. Sorry, I digress... ...and I suppose it doesn't do any good to re hash all this stuff. I for one lost the respect I had through all this. I can't really see much difference in the players involved except some are better at dressing up their words and just a little more able to hide facts. Just a little more sneaky. As bad as Saddam was he didn't deserve the inhumane way he was treated after his capture. Any one wanting to know those facts can type his name in a search engine. Willow99 and your from kentucky. must be the east end of louisville. Hello there, redwing, I rarely see anyone on the forums from KY either. I'm quite a distance from you. My brother and his family live in Georgetown and not so far from your location. It's very nice to meet you! Willow99

That is not your statement that I was addressing. I was addressing this statment: Notice your statement did not qualify who was God's chosen people except to the extent that it was nobody. I don't believe that the US is God's chosen people in this day and age. His chosen people has been and always will be the Jews. God has chosen to bless America for His purpose; undoubtedly to stand with the Hebrews during the last days (IMHO). Hopefully you can now see my "purpose" for posting what I did. It seemed to me that some people act and believe that they are God's chosen people today. I merely stated God has no chosen people today. So I guess we agree on that.

Certainly there are, and the hypocrisy of using this as justification for the invasion sticks in my craw as well. However, it can't be denied that removing Saddam from power and bringing him to justice for his crimes was a good thing. It's sad that the American-devised plan to steal the oil fields and contain Iran/Syria has resulted in so much bloodshed, and sad that Her Majesty's Government was too spineless to refuse to get involved, but nothing's served by lamenting these facts. Personally I'd rather have seen the British Army, alone, drag Saddam out of Baghdad and hand him over to The Hague for trials on charges of crimes against humanity, and then systematically clean out every corrupt, bloody regime in the Commonwealth one by one, but that's not terribly likely to happen after the foul-up Iraq has become. Besides, people would cry about "British imperialism" if we did. Sorry, I digress... ...and I suppose it doesn't do any good to re hash all this stuff. I for one lost the respect I had through all this. I can't really see much difference in the players involved except some are better at dressing up their words and just a little more able to hide facts. Just a little more sneaky. As bad as Saddam was he didn't deserve the inhumane way he was treated after his capture. Any one wanting to know those facts can type his name in a search engine. Willow99

But the Bible says in Deuteronomy 7:6-8 "For thou art a holy people unto Jehovah thy God: Jehovah thy God hath chosen thee to be a people for his own possession, above all peoples that are upon the face of the earth. Jehovah did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all peoples: but because Jehovah loveth you, and because he would keep the oath which he sware unto your fathers, hath Jehovah brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt." (ASV), and also in chapter 14:1,2 "Ye are the children of Jehovah your God: ye shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness between your eyes for the dead. For thou art a holy people unto Jehovah thy God, and Jehovah hath chosen thee to be a people for his own possession, above all peoples that are upon the face of the earth." (ASV). There are many other scriptures. Anyway......back on topic. Edit: Oh, and every word in the Bible is relevant. What is being said here: Surely no one believes the above Scripture from Deuteronomy is referring to present day America! Why have you posted this? What is your purpose of doing so? Willow99

I know this is off topic but....what do you mean by this statement. God does not have chosen people? In light of this conversation it wasn't off topic. Now it's being said that God uses a Godly ruler to bring down an ungodly one and references made to the OT to justify this war. Find us first a Godly ruler - can't be done; but that may be perhaps off topic and taking the conversation away from the topic of war - plain and simple. America cannot justifiably claim that God told them to go to war with Iraq - which I think if memory serves me right that Bush did indeed make that statement in the beginning. Bring it back on topic - to where this war was being justified by going into the OT and using the wars God's people Israel fought under His direct direction against His enemies. That's when I say that America is not God's chosen people anymore than any other country is. Willow99

There's other such regimes that exist. That wasn't suppose to be the point of the war according to our President. He lied to us and invaded and completely ripped a country apart on false pretenses. He demanded the impossible from them.

We're responsible to do as much as is possible for us to do. Willow