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So I will just say that the nephilim existed before the flood, after the flood and are among us today..... But I personally believe that the beasts are full blown fallen angels. Other One, I agree with you....I have no proof but I take the account in Gen. literal like you do. The sons of God were not the off spring of Seith. I agree with both of you!

I would not be surprised if the mark melts into you, having a quality of singularity. That is just speculation but it does give a grievous sore and cannot be taken out. Nephilim are different and I do not believe you can be made one.

Good point Seven. "We must not seek to bind the consciences of other Believers with the private convictions that arise out of our personal walk with God. Even if you believe God has led you in developing those convictions, you still must not elevate them to the level of spiritual principles for everyone else to follow." - Jerry Bridges actually I think Seven has misunderstood what faith pleases God was saying. She was not saying they are the same kind of relationship. She clearly explained her view. For seven to then ask if she is making the comparison again is to not have read properly what she said. I disagree with faith pleases God's understanding but I do not wish to see her misrepresented. say what??? +1 to "say what" comment. Whatever you were trying to communicate was lost in translation Another Poster... Lol. If that is the case then I've misunderstood what Faith Pleases God was saying too. I don't think he was being misrepresented here. Faith Pleases God was comparing masters/slaves to husbands/wives. The Bible never makes that comparison. It's really that simple. Faith Pleases God is a guy btw. God bless, GE No Golden Eagle he did not. Sure it looked that way but then he made the post saying he did not mean they were the same. To then claim they are is accusing them of lying. Is that really what you want to do? Slaves and masters are not one flesh but the slave can not leave if being abused. husband and wife are on flesh. Faith Pleases God is of the opinion that if two people who are not one flesh must stay together in the case of abuse then surely two people who do become one flesh should stay together. That is not saying they are the same or similar. As I already said I disagree as I think he ignores certain other factors but still is not comparing them as being the same or similar. Thank you. I feel like my words were misunderstood even after I clearly explained that a slave/wife is different. I was explaining that if a slave cannot leave their master for abuse... then how much more can a spouse not leave the other for abuse. I have re explained that multiple times over. The point is a good and valid point. It uses a lesser position as an example for remaining. How much more should one flesh remain? The Word only gives 2 reasons for divorce and remarriage. These are being ignored and being added to. I can't help but think some may just want to justify this obvious sin, or the sins of others who remarry without the Lord's blessing. Because no scripture has been given to violate what Christ said regarding remarriage and divorce.

God is merciful. No? Merciful to what? Those who have been affected by evil! We see His mercy because of evil.

Evil teaches us new things, incredible things about God and glorifies Him!! We now know him as a savior from sin, judgement and death. We know Him as a judge of justice. A Lord who forgives, protects and defends from evil. A God of mercy, compassion, and grace. A comforter in our suffering. A provider in our poverty. He covers our nakedness. He is our healer and we know Him as one because of infirmities, illness, and disease. And so much more. We see Him as providing a way out of temptations. We can grow deeper in our choice of choosing faith, hope, and love in spite of evil. We can overcome fear! All because evil exists.

The thief on the cross was not baptized. Was he saved?

A woman or wife is not a slave and that is not what I meant. A husband and wife are one. A slave and master are not. Yet the slave is not permitted to leave if "abused". This was the question I was answering. If abuse was a good reason for divorce. And certainly not for remarriage. Nothing more nothing less. Remember use scriptures like the original poster asked please. This is getting sloppy and I'd rather stay on topic. Explain a case for divorce and remarriage with scripture or we have worn the topic out.

The issue is in evaluating this discussion on marriage, divorce, and re-marriage one must take a look at the entire flow of Scripture. Again, let me rephrase my question. If a person divorces and re-marries yet they claim Jesus Christ as Savior are they going to face eternal death (hell)? God bless, GE This is another doctrine topic. How can one willfully live in sin? Salvation is a personal issue. Let Christ decide. You know better than to ask these questions. Don't you? Romans 10 6But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: "DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, 'WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?' (that is, to bring Christ down), 7or 'WHO WILL DESCEND INTO THE ABYSS?' (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead)." 8But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART "-- that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,…

I didn't know I was talking to someone other than the original poster and whoever responded to me. It's weird to me to judge how much or little someone cares over a couple of posts. I'm trying to be concise. But just curious, what is better? Someone who loves someone dearly very much and just wants them to be happy in the life, but gives them advice that leads them to Hell? Or someone who appears dry and stern, but gives them holy guidance causing one to turn away from sin that leads them to everlasting life? Interesting. I agree we should speak the truth as found in Scripture. All I can read are your words. And to me (as well as others) it doesn't seem like there's much love in them. Perhaps it is just perception. But curious... Will divorce lead someone to hell? God Bless, GE Sin leads to Hell and death. We should not willfully sin after receiving knowledge of the truth. However, I will not ask who ascends or descends. I am not the deciding factor for one's salvation. However, you should have clean hands and a pure heart. You should also work out your salvation with fear and trembling... no? Divorce is not adultery. We are talking about remarriage and what is adultery. Although this is a sensitive issue, there is a simple answer. And Jesus gives it. He did not say it's complicated when asked, did He?

Who is the head of the husband? Who tells the husband to love his wife as Christ loved the church? Do you have an idea of how many 'Christian' men claim the very verse you constantly bring up and 'forget' what comes after it? I'd like to remind you that you compared marriage to slavery.....and sorry, but the Bible does tell Christians to submit to one another and that would include the marriage relationship as well That may be inconvient for some men but there is a good reason for those instructions...IMO, that would be because too many men enjoy the word submit and misapply the word submit to 'do as I say' Please don't twist what I said and make it appear that I said the husband is not the head of the home...the Bible says he is...BUT and that is a very big but, Christ is supposed to be the head of the husband and that is NOT the reality in many many cases. I agree their are many "BAD" husbands!!! That do not treat the wife as Christ treats the church. My reference was that if God tells a slave not to leave the bad master, then how much more should a wife not leave a bad husband? I don't mean to personally offend you. I am sorry. I do not know your story. I do pray for you and love you and I hope you do the same for me. I am sincere in that I am truly trying to seek true doctrine and when I find it, to live and stand on it without compromise.

I never said this woman was my friend and she was not in fact my friend...a minor detail perhaps, but it seems you are not addressing what I actually write I disagree saying things are being made complicated by mentionning what Catholics observe....you also might take note that Protestant Christians do not all agree on your interpretation either nor do they view this issue as simple. Why would you just dismiss everyone else? Actually, relationship with God matters...not just words on a page because that is all they are if we forget that the Spirit of God gives life to those words. I have no idea what you mean by 'random denominations' but please be aware it sounds quite dismissive...there are many denoms within Christianity...right? I disagree. Abuse breaks the covenant...even the law of the land will tell you that. I am not talking about marriages outside of those who claim to be Christian There are more than physical forms of abuse...mental and emotional abuse effectively breaks down a person's will and reduces them to far less than who they are in the eyes of God. It might do well to remember that neither gender is a favorite in the eyes of God. Neither has permission to cause the other to stumble and fall and cry out "Where are you God?" As far as discussion goes, you have glossed over questions I have asked ...which I asked for the purpose of discussion. It seems at this point, to me, that you prefer to tell others how it is rather then discuss or address other things brought up. Marriage is not about words. I do not believe God shows favoritism. But He is a God of order. For example, Is the wife the head of the husband? Is the husband the head of the wife? Are both the heads? or neither?

If this is occurring then the husband should be in jail, right? In today's society it is not hard to get a domestic assault charge and conviction. Is it? And sure, separation can be an option. Although specifics matter, and the wife is suppose to be submissive...not defiant. However, we have laws that protect her from physical harm. So I do not see a separation as necessary, if it is, then once again he would be in jail. So I understand your position you're saying basically while separation is an option it is not necessary. You're saying the options are either A) jail or B) live with him. You're saying a wife should be submissive and not defiant to her husband. Two more questions if I may: 1. What about grace, mercy, compassion, love, forgiveness to an abuser who is truly repentant? Do you not believe in those? 2. Does a husband own his wife more than a wife owns her husband? Curious. God bless, GE I love people GE. Very Much!! And I love marriage! I believe in repentance, grace, mercy, love, compassion,and forgiveness!! Very much! These are the reasons against divorce. I also believe in miracles, and the power of God and prayer!! For me, ownership is a weird way to look at it. But I would say they each own each other 100%. I think using abuse as an out is a slippery slope and almost anything can be abuse to someone. And almost everyone who divorces uses that justification. I just don't see it permissible in scripture. In many ways divorce is the murdering of a family. Many use the excuse God doesn't want me to live like this, I deserve better, etc. and use abuse (mental, emotional, physical, spiritual) as a justification. Divorce is a wicked, wicked thing and should be hated! Are we to hate what God hates? If we are and I stand on scripture, why do you dismiss me as uncaring or unloving? I am answering a question of doctrine in general. God Bless you also.

I didn't know I was talking to someone other than the original poster and whoever responded to me. It's weird to me to judge how much or little someone cares over a couple of posts. I'm trying to be concise. But just curious, what is better? Someone who loves someone dearly very much and just wants them to be happy in the life, but gives them advice that leads them to Hell? Or someone who appears dry and stern, but gives them holy guidance causing one to turn away from sin that leads them to everlasting life?

Are you joking? We have home wrecked families everywhere. This is not good. And we must war against it. We must fight this principalities, rulers, and the rulers of darkness everywhere. No matter what. This is a Christians calling, is it not? Ah! An antagonist... Quoting out of context what was said and meant to create a strawman argument to make one's self look knowledgeable / superior... Reread and put back into context of what was said and stop trying to antagonize... me at least... thanks in the sincerest possible way. I'm sorry. I do not mean to come off antagonistic. If you mean different then I misunderstood. I see you are talking to the past tense as if they already have remarried. The question was a present or future tense in can you remarry after divorce. I was reading your answers through those eyes. I see you are speaking to something already done. Once again, I am sorry in misunderstanding. I also personally know of many many divorces and they are "all" justified...but not really! Very few are. So it does bother me to see a constant justification behind forgiveness and grace. I hate sin, divorce, and wrongdoing and justifying it in the name of love and its for the best.

Are you joking? We have home wrecked families everywhere. This is not good. And we must war against it. We must fight this principalities, rulers, and the rulers of darkness everywhere. No matter what. This is a Christians calling, is it not?

Your talking about confession and forgiveness and love. The question is, "Is remarriage okay after divorce?" Is your answer sure it is... even if it really kind of isn't... God forgives us anyway?

What about repentance and obedience? Shall we erase those words from scripture and tickle each others ears?

Again, it's not so black and white. Yes, that's what should be done. An abusive man should go to jail. But what if there are kids involved? Or what if the wife refuses to press charges? Or what if she says she will and the husband threatens to kill her yet she tells nobody? Or what if the husband is a police officer and there's complications with getting him arrested/convicted? Or if the husband does go to jail now the family has no income and the wife/mom is essentially relegated to a single mom with 5 kiddos...? These are all examples I personally know of from real people facing real heartache. Again, it's not a simple subject. My concern with your words and tone is that others reading this will also be hurt further. God made marriage to be beautiful. Because of sin divorce is horrible. Just be careful when you make generalized statements and how you use Scripture as you may be hurting the victim(s) further. God bless, GE Again, it's not so black and white. Yes, that's what should be done. An abusive man should go to jail. But what if there are kids involved? Or what if the wife refuses to press charges? Or what if she says she will and the husband threatens to kill her yet she tells nobody? Or what if the husband is a police officer and there's complications with getting him arrested/convicted? Or if the husband does go to jail now the family has no income and the wife/mom is essentially relegated to a single mom with 5 kiddos...? These are reasons divorce isn't a very good answer either. It's a bad situation no matter what. We need justice and should demand it. There are big problems with all of this, no doubt. That's what may make it seem so complicated. I'm sorry, my opinion is scripture shouldn't be violated or ignored. These are the scriptures I see regarding remarriage after divorce. I understand the society we live in. We all know the divorce rate. The fact is everyone in the U.S. might know of more remarriages than singular ones, depends but possibly. This is a major problem. In my opinion, it has become a compromised situation because scripture and Godliness and honor and sacredness and repentance and obedience to God have been compromised. I'm against that. I just am. I also wish more were. I wish people would fight for their families. The truth is most everyone is a mess everywhere and have trouble living with themselves let alone others. People certainly have hard hearts and troubles with lust, selfishness, violence, etc. But we should not compromise the will of God given through scriptures anymore, that's why our culture is a mess. Should we? I also hate divorce!!! and violence! That being said, I am sorry for those living in harmful situations and love, pray, and hope for them. There is help!!! God will deliver them. They must continue in faith, hope, and love. But acknowledge, confess, and repent if they are living in sin. They must seek God diligently and He will reward them beyond anything they can imagine. They must fight the good fight. It is worth it. God will save them. The battle is the Lord's but the victory is ours. Not only that, but we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, 4 and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, 5 and hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us. Follow the scriptures not your heart. Our hearts can deceive us. Obey the Lord. This should be heeded above all else. We should not compromise our faith because we do not want to continue. Above all else, rather than bring condemnation I hope to talk someone out of divorce because they are weary and want to throw in the towel and have a redo. The world encourages this action, will, and behavior.

You gave 10 commandments. Then asked questions. Be specific and explain further. I honestly didn't even know what you meant when listing the 10 commandments to these specific questions. Is divorce a greater issue than the love of God? No Is divorce a greater issue than the forgiveness of God? No Is divorce a greater issue than showing love for one another? No The question is, "Can a divorced person remarry?" And you put love your neighbor as yourself, and basically asked if God is bigger than divorce? Explain your thought process more please if you want a response. God tells us what's right and what's wrong. But then he forgives us when we have done wrong. In John 8:1-11;, Jesus said, he who is without sin cast the first stone. When no one came forward he said, I don't condemn you either. Now go and sin no more. He left this adulteress woman there and went on his way, leaving the interpretation of that to her. When the Samaritan woman at the well admitted she was living with a man outside of marriage, Jesus said, now sin no more. He left her there to interpret that for herself. So although we know right from wrong, as Paul teaches us, does not God still forgive us? Does he not leave it up to us how to apply things to our lives? Romans 3:24; and all are freely justified by his grace through the redemption that came by Jesus Christ. Are not following these rules a work? Think about it. If following these rules determines our relationship with Christ, then grace would no longer be grace. We cannot judge each other by rules. We need to judge with our hearts. Romans 14:4; Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand. If the Lord is able to make them stand, then who are we to knock them down? If two people have repented of their sins and then ask God to bless their marriage, I believe he will. He is a loving God. Are you using grace and forgiveness as a justification for lasciviousness and licentiousness? I believe there is great danger in doing that and we should work out our salvation with fear and trembling. We are suppose to "follow" Jesus. Not do what we will and say, "well He forgives and loves regardless." So lets sin.This attitude is a doctrine of demons. He does love and forgive, but commands us to live a life of obedience and repentance. The scriptures give clear guidance on rules in marriage and divorce. They should be followed. Not broken and justified by grace trampling on the cross as an unholy thing.

You gave 10 commandments. Then asked questions. Be specific and explain further. I honestly didn't even know what you meant when listing the 10 commandments to these specific questions. Is divorce a greater issue than the love of God? No Is divorce a greater issue than the forgiveness of God? No Is divorce a greater issue than showing love for one another? No The question is, "Can a divorced person remarry?" And you put love your neighbor as yourself, and basically asked if God is bigger than divorce? Explain your thought process more please if you want a response.

Lets not add to scripture for justifying re doing it... Should a slave leave the master if abusive? 1 Peter 2:18 Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. Yes but is one spouse master over the other? Is one spouse a slave? You are IMO taking a passage out of context that talks about salves and masters. I assume you are speaking of husbands... What about passages such as: *Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, Are husbands not to lead their wives sacrificially as servant leaders? Or, how about wives honoring and respecting their husbands? *Eph 5:33 However, let each one of you love his wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband. See all of Eph 5 ( https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+5&version=ESV ) for context. How do you view these passages? Surely we can say at the very least abuse calls for a separation? God bless, GE Conjuring up a good human reason for divorcing and remarriage like abuse is what is being asked for a justification, right? The Bible clearly says that death and adultery are the 2 reasons given for remarriage. Not abuse! But abuse is a newly added justification that is being asked. It is good human reason no doubt, but not biblical. I gave the slave scripture because if even a slave should bear the burden of a "bad" master how much more a spouse. Is the slave one with their master? No. Are the spouses one with each other? YES! If a slave is not permitted to leave the "bad" master, then how much less one spouse leaving the other? The scripture is used as an example of remaining in a bad situation. It is dividing scriptures rightfully even looking at biblical scriptures in similar yet different situations. The answer is NO. Abuse is not a good reason to remarry Biblically. However we do have laws against abuse and violence and there are channels for punishment and correction if someone "even the man" is in a harmful situation. I'm not conjuring up reasons for divorce and remarriage. Are you reading what I'm writing? I didn't ask if abuse was grounds for remarriage. I asked if abuse was grounds for separation. So I will ask again. Is abuse grounds for separation? So I understand what you are saying regarding masters and slaves... If a husband consistently abuses his wife she is to remain living with him? God bless, GE If this is occurring then the husband should be in jail, right? In today's society it is not hard to get a domestic assault charge and conviction. Is it? And sure, separation can be an option. Although specifics matter, and the wife is suppose to be submissive...not defiant. However, we have laws that protect her from physical harm. So I do not see a separation as necessary, if it is, then once again he would be in jail.

I'm not trying to hurt feelings. However, in questions of doctrine I am primarily concerned with scripture more than feelings when seeking truth. I absolutely am not for abuse. But that was not the question asked. As far as Catholic stuff or seminaries that pervert truth...I don't agree with them either. A spouses body is not their own, Is it? Did Sarah call Abraham her master? Is the wife not to be submissive? I absolutely DO NOT condone abuse. But let's not veer from what the Word says either. If abuse is a problem, I am certainly for harsher punishments on physical abuse. We live in a perverted, warped, home-wrecked society, that does not honor family or the sanctity of marriage and it all began with "good" justifications that veer from the Word...I should add that I also hate divorce and think it tears apart the fabric of a society. Well you are re-stating what you have already said The question is not about feelings and the application of scripture is not about feelings...people hurt other people by their application of scripture and their insistence that they are right no matter what in spite of the fact that there are different and legitimate understandings on those same scriptures If it is a question of doctrine, which doctrine shall we apply? A Catholic will argue no divorce no matter what and a Christian will argue divorce for adultery (I am not excluding Catholics as Christians here) Do you understand how easy it was for a man to divorce his wife unde the law? God allowed it...today we might call that dishonouring the marriage if we are Christian God does state He hates divorce, but He has allowed it...because of the hardness of the hearts of mankind... I have asked a couple of times now, what constitues the breaking of the marriage covenant? Is it divorce alone? Actually I've asked a few, as of yet, unanswered questions...you don't have to answer...I'm just making an observation The two are one are they not? the husband should love his wife as Christ loved the church, should he not? Sarah was not referring to herself as Abraham's slave was she? Aren't Christians to be submissive one to the other? Does submission mean slavery or don't use your brain or you are not allowed to discuss? I have found that submission means different things to different people and that often certain other verses are left out that allow for a better understanding in any relationship I am truly sorry for your friend and her experiences. There are many denominations and cults. For me this is a simple subject. It is being made complicated by...saying what Catholics or other Christians think..or what really is submission?... and shouldn't all Christians submit to one another. Scripture is all that matters. Not what random denominations think. What constitutes the breaking of the marriage covenant? What were your vows? Is the covenant meant to be permanent? Of course. Death and adultery break this covenant. Not abuse. Matthew 19:9 9 Now what I say to you is that whoever divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery!” If this scripture is not self explanatory, we will not get very far in discussion. Divorce is permitted under certain conditions. Re-doing it with someone else isn't unless stated above, it is ADULTERY and the one who marries the divorced one is also living in adultery. In my opinion, this is not difficult to understand or obey. Marriage does have a hierarchy and submission is involved. I said abuse was not a reason to divorce, simple as that.

I'm not trying to hurt feelings. However, in questions of doctrine I am primarily concerned with scripture more than feelings when seeking truth. I absolutely am not for abuse. But that was not the question asked. As far as Catholic stuff or seminaries that pervert truth...I don't agree with them either. A spouses body is not their own, Is it? Did Sarah call Abraham her master? Is the wife not to be submissive? I absolutely DO NOT condone abuse. But let's not veer from what the Word says either. If abuse is a problem, I am certainly for harsher punishments on physical abuse. We live in a perverted, warped, home-wrecked society, that does not honor family or the sanctity of marriage and it all began with "good" justifications that veer from the Word...I should add that I also hate divorce and think it tears apart the fabric of a society.

Lets not add to scripture for justifying re doing it... Should a slave leave the master if abusive? 1 Peter 2:18 Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. Yes but is one spouse master over the other? Is one spouse a slave? You are IMO taking a passage out of context that talks about salves and masters. I assume you are speaking of husbands... What about passages such as: *Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, Are husbands not to lead their wives sacrificially as servant leaders? Or, how about wives honoring and respecting their husbands? *Eph 5:33 However, let each one of you love his wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband. See all of Eph 5 ( https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+5&version=ESV ) for context. How do you view these passages? Surely we can say at the very least abuse calls for a separation? God bless, GE Conjuring up a good human reason for divorcing and remarriage like abuse is what is being asked for a justification, right? The Bible clearly says that death and adultery are the 2 reasons given for remarriage. Not abuse! But abuse is a newly added justification that is being asked. It is good human reason no doubt, but not biblical. I gave the slave scripture because if even a slave should bear the burden of a "bad" master how much more a spouse. Is the slave one with their master? No. Are the spouses one with each other? YES! If a slave is not permitted to leave the "bad" master, then how much less one spouse leaving the other? The scripture is used as an example of remaining in a bad situation. It is dividing scriptures rightfully even looking at biblical scriptures in similar yet different situations. The answer is NO. Abuse is not a good reason to remarry Biblically. However we do have laws against abuse and violence and there are channels for punishment and correction if someone "even the man" is in a harmful situation.

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