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I picked up on the references to or about measures of obedence. This is why I've dropped this in here. Hope you don't mind. ''Obedience is better than sacrifice'' I've heard said, whether self promoted or externally imposed. But you say ''God was so obedient that He chose to sacrifice His obedient son.'' How come we should be obedient. 2 Kings 23:25 The Message (MSG) There was no king to compare with Josiah

Rapture.????? If we are God's army with Spiritual armour individually made for us. & if we are practised in their use, if God is the captain of our salvation etc etc etc Why should we want to be ''raptured'' to where or preparation is not needed. ??? On this earth is where the battle is each & every day.

------end of all things. What could ? or should ? we do or prepare ? or can't we??

Why did Jesus pray to His father.? Did He need to??

Face book can hold your info. even after you departure. http://tech.yahoo.com/news/pcworld/2009021...ederalcomplaint

Nothing to say ??nothing to learn from this??

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertai...sa-1625859.html I saw this & was amazed at the strength of character & work of the Holy Spirit in those who had been met by God in that community. What a witness he was on the streets & to the rest of the community. God can get through the most thickest of walls of Religiosity.

Matthew 7:11 If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! ><>Are we then as those who could have been there in the throng also evil?? If so how?? Matthew 12:34 You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks. ><>Were all who came to John non Christians.??? Or was this just aimed 'wildly' at those present? Matthew 13:38 The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, ><>And we know the weeds are in amongst the good crops. Th/4 ?? there are those who are evil amongts us. . Matthew 5:30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell. ><> Is sin ( Missing the Mark.) forgiven but not evil. (Planted or accepted of the evil one.)???

hold hands up in resignation.

><> ><> My point was that it was to the multitude including the discipals he was ministering to. So are you saying it was only said to the non believers?? Don't we all have to check ourselves constantly.?? & watch over others.

Gotta tell ya...these are very elementary...got anything a little more challenging ><> ><> Where are your responses to this so simple ideas.

Try my questions

><> Evil[/u Matthew 7:11 If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! ><>We Christians are evil!! All of us???? Matthew 7:23 Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' Matthew 12:34 You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks. ><>Were all who came to him non Christians.??? Matthew 12:35 The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him. Matthew 13:19 When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is the seed sown along the path. Matthew 13:38 The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, ><>And we know the weeds are in amongst the good crops. ><>Sin. Matthew 5:29 If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. Matthew 5:30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell. ><> Is sin forgiven but not evil.???

So you see it that is the normal or is it the spritual way of answering question. Ignoring the question & then leaving space for someone to think things through first.?????? Jesus often didn't answer directly???

><> This suggests to me that it's by the Holy Spirit that these things are discerned. So if you don't have the Holy Spirit: as we know, you wont understand much that is God given. How do you see these passages.???? why aren't those question answered directly??

><> Sorry mate but is this an answer to my questions.

In # 1. was just testing & tempering my thoughts, seeing who might be like minded. I don't believe we should need strive for unity. We sometimes hear that a group/fellowship/church who have a special anointing from God (As so many do who are Bible believing & Spirit filled ) may say we should all get together as one body But we are each & everyone unique in Him as are the church that is His. We shouldn't worry about trying to be come one. We are bound together by Christ. !!

We all hope & strive for peace. What are your thoughts.?? but====> The other end of the seesaw!!! Luke 12:49, Amplified Bible (AMP) ''49. I have come to cast fire upon the earth, and how I wish that it were already kindled!''??? =To burn up the dross??? 12 v. 51 =Matt.10:34-36 Amplified Bible (AMP) ''34. Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35.For I have come to part asunder a man from his father, and a daughter from her mother, and a [a]newly married wife from her mother-in-law-- 36.And a man's foes will be they of his own household.'' =Cutting off the past securities.??? 1 Thess 5:3 Amplified Bible (AMP) ''3When people are saying, All is well and secure, and, There is peace and safety, then in a moment unforeseen destruction (ruin and death) will come upon them as suddenly as labor pains come upon a woman with child; and they shall by no means escape, for there will be no escape.'' = For those who feel secure in their own thinking & understanding????

The unity we all seek after in the Natural or spritual could relate to betrothal, being bound, married, or being joined. Those who are truly Christians are those who are united in the Holy Spirit are one in Him. Don't you think that Jesus welcomes our individuality & uses our individual talents & traits & dosen't want us all to be as peas in a pod. ??? 2 Chronicles 30:12 Amplified Bible (AMP) 12.Also the hand of God came upon Judah to give them one heart to do the commandment of the king and of the princes, by the word of the Lord. (see ====> Jeremiah 32:39 39. And I will give them one heart and one way, that they may [reverently] fear Me forever for the good of themselves and of their children after them. Psalm 133.1 BEHOLD, HOW good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity! ><> ><> Discipling one another ??? John 17:23 Amplified Bible (AMP) 22.I have given to them the glory and honor which You have given Me, that they may be one [even] as We are one: [u]><> With Him 3I. in them and You in Me, in order that they may become one and perfectly united, that the world may know and [definitely] recognize that You sent Me and that You have loved them [even] as You have loved Me. Romans 15:5 Amplified Bible (AMP) 5.Now may the God Who gives the power of patient endurance (steadfastness) and Who supplies encouragement, grant you to live in such mutual harmony and such full sympathy with one another, in accord with Christ Jesus, Ephesians 4:13 13[That it might develop] until we all attain oneness in the faith and in the comprehension of the [[a]full and accurate] knowledge of the Son of God, that [we might arrive] at really mature manhood (the completeness of personality which is nothing less than the standard height of Christ's own perfection), the measure of the stature of the fullness of the Christ and the completeness found in Him. Colossians 3:13 Amplified Bible (AMP) 13 Be gentle and forbearing with one another and, if one has a difference (a grievance or complaint) against another, readily pardoning each other; even as the Lord has [freely] forgiven you, so must you also [forgive]. Even being with those from overseas; who are in Christ,have a spiritual rapport with those who speak the same language. But we're still being saved from ourselves, feeling, & past etc. Even on this site we have a sense of who we unit with & those who we simply relate to. We respone in or out of the spirit.

An Atheist says the country needs God. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/c...icle5400568.ece

I feel sorry for him coming into this time of conflict. Hussein is not the best of names for someone who MAY have to deal with the in-human use of horrific weapons by the Israeli. s.

Zechariah 4:4-8 (New International Version) 4 I asked the angel who talked with me, "What are these, my lord?" 5 He answered, "Do you not know what these are?" "No, my lord," I replied. 6 So he said to me, "This is the word of the LORD to Zerubbabel: 'Not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit,' says the LORD Almighty. 7 "What [a] are you, O mighty mountain? Before Zerubbabel you will become level ground. Then he will bring out the capstone to shouts of 'God bless it! God bless it!' " ----------------!! 8 Then the word of the LORD came to me: The question dosen't seem to be answered, why?? As often in the N/testament Jesus didn't answer directly. either. Zechariah 4:5 (The Message) 5-7The Messenger-Angel said, "Can't you tell?" "No, sir," I said. Then he said, "This is God's Message to Zerubbabel: 'You can't force these things. They only come about through my Spirit,' says God-of-the-Angel-Armies. 'So, big mountain, who do you think you are? Next to Zerubbabel you're nothing but a molehill. He'll proceed to set the Cornerstone in place, accompanied by cheers: Yes! Yes! Do it!'" This suggests to me that it's by the Holy Spirit that these things are discerned. So if you don't have the Holy Spirit: as we know, you wont understand much that is God given. How do you see these passages.????

May God bless you & keep you.Have great family & fellowship times. Please remember the persecuted Christian around the world. ********** God loves all those He has created & blesses us equally, wether on the mountain tops & in the valleys. He came for such as these as well.

Just had a thought, hope this makes sense. Hope you can find it in your heart to touch base with these. Adam allowed Eve to tempt him to share the apple! (If it was an apple) of the tree that they were told not to touch. His sin was greater. As it is in these times we men have allowed women (Wives girl, friends, friends) to dominate because of Political Correctness built up over time through our (Men's ) compliance & compromise. I am basically lazy with not a lot of 'get up & go'. So to be in the latter situation is a cop out for me, but things in our relationship have improved greatly for both of us over the years. I'm 73 with still a lot to learn. Thank God for the Holy Spirit.

Not many if any leaders on this site who would want to commit them selves to print !!!!???