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Please note below the first 6 verses of Daniel 11 (verse 6 is partial). I believe it is very sage to say that at least 90% or so of those interested in Daniel - theologians, scholars (at least during the past few hundred years until now), almost all of today's evangelists (TV or print), religious professors / bible colleges, etc., and most importantly, just about everyone within this forum believe that chapter 11 is dominated by post Greek kingdom (Alexander) actors and events, at least up to the first 28 or so verses. I am very interested in determining the message behind chapter 11 and I believe it has been grossly misinterpreted; and this is mostly accomplished by having identified the "actors and events" in a worldly or physical manner as opposed to viewing or interpreting them in a more "spiritual" manner - where they are meant to reveal events that will take place AFTER AND WITHIN the 4th kingdom of pagan Rome and NOT between the 3rd and 4th kingdom which I believe may be called the "intertestamental period). I am sure there is enough interest and knowledge within this group where we will receive some tremendous thoughts and opinions. So, there are 11 ITEMS TO ADDRESS: We should confirm or address if these verses fall within their proper kingdom, or not, Then, or at the same time if you prefer, we should identify EACH one of the ACTORS #1 TO #7, Medes and Persian Kingdom (11:1 – 2) 11 “Also in the first year of Darius the Mede, I, even I, stood up to confirm and strengthen him.) 2 And now I will tell you the truth: Behold, three more kings will arise in Persia, and the fourth shall be far richer than them all; by his strength, through his riches, he shall stir up all against the realm of Greece Alexander and the Greece Kingdom (11:3) . 3 Then a mighty king shall arise, who shall rule with great dominion, and do according to his will. Greece is broken into 4 territories to be occupied by his generals (11:4) 4 And when he has arisen, his kingdom shall be broken up and divided toward the four winds of heaven, but not among his posterity nor according to his dominion with which he ruled; for his kingdom shall be uprooted, even for others besides these. Beginning of Pagan Rome (11:5 – 6) (only identifying up to Actors #7) 5 “Also the king of the South shall become strong, (Actor #1) as well as one of his princes; (Actor #2) and he (Actor #3) shall gain power over him; (Actor 4) and have dominion. His (Actor 5) dominion shall be a great dominion. 6 And at the end of some years they shall join forces, (Actor #6) for the daughter of the king of the South (Actor #7) It might be more production or effective if we are able to take each ACTOR at a time so we can all learn and understand what each of us sees and thinks.... then move to the next. So, it is NOW SABBATH, and this just might be an appropriate topic for discussion! Thanks, Charlie